Elon's simply butt-hurt that TESLA value is at the dumpster, while AAPL is at near record highs. Jealousy. Plain jealousy.
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk Takes Shots at Apple During Earnings Call
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Elon's simply butt-hurt that TESLA value is at the dumpster, while AAPL is at near record highs. Jealousy. Plain jealousy.
Apple has always been a walled garden. The point of switching to M1 is not to kill windows and is not anti-intel. It’s to make better products.
Yes there is. Elon is too loose of a cannon for someone like Tim Cook ti want to deal with. They fired Scott Forestall. I dont see an Elon Musk working out any better.
Can you please provide a complete list of everyone Tim Cook is obligated to meet with?
Yes - just like Full Self Driving in 2020
That's going great..
(please re-read my post - I said "usually" -- I did NOT say every single thing he says is a lie, etc)
A week ago they distributed new firmware that is making a ton of Model S’s think they don’t even have satellite radios installed.
But at least there‘s a fart app.
A lot of nice stuff about the Model S - I’ve driven Model S since 2013 - but build quality and quality firmware updates, and more relevant to this topic - openness - is not among that nice stuff.
And he is up there with Steve Jobs as one of the people who has created the biggest dent in the universe. I can understand not liking Musk, but the guy gets **** done.
Which is different than "listening to him" (which is specifically what I said is a waste of time).
Musk definitely gets some things done - but at the same time he blows a metric ton of BS and smoke along the way.
Elon is such a wind-up merchant, he just drops references to companies like Apple into his chat to provoke outrage and controversy.
I’m amazed people fall for it. 🤣
I’m amazed people fall for it. 🤣
As I look at the Lightning plugs around me. But then Tesla designed its own charger for the same reason Apple designed Lightning. No industry standard was available yet, USB-C was a year or two away for Apple. We all want industry standards but that does not happen automagically, it takes everyone to come to the party.
Doesn’t Tesla have a walled garden today? And don’t they differentiate service based on the car you bought? Why didn’t they have their charging network open from day 1?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. The industry wanted Tesla to fail. Now they are complaining about Tesla not having a standard charging plug.
So happy they are opening the network to non Tesla’s. Even happier as a shareholder because this might be a huge upside for the stock that crushed it in Q2.
I expect Apples results tomorrow to be the same. Can’t wait!!
This coming from the company that doesn't let customers buy parts and makes it near impossible to repair their car.
Agreed. Nonetheless, Tesla calling Apple a walled garden is bit rich considering that many of the criticisms against Apple apply to them as well.
Seriously. What, exactly, is “open” about Tesla? The fact that I can buy third-party tires?
Tesla is far from perfect (same for Apple) but I think they have been delivering quite a lot. In 10 years they have accomplished amazing feats for a very young EV industry. All other automakers are playing catch-up.
Yet their phones don't.
Yeah, he's right about Apple, but he's not right about Tesla. They're both closed.
Walled Garden? If Apple is a walled garden then Tesla is the Apple of car companies. Go to YouTube and visit Rich Rebuilds channel. A week ago they posted a video of a guy who Tesla wanted to charge $16,000 for a new battery pack for his 1-year-old Model 3 because a little plastic cooling flange developed a crack. Rich's shop, Electrified Garage, fixed the car for way less without replacing the battery pack.
This crack is due to poor design. The cost of the repair is why Tesla's are enormously expensive to insure. Your Tesla lovers out there will tell you all the great things but my insurance company would charge me 2.2x for insurance on a Model 3 Dual Motor as they would for a comparably priced BMW 3-series. Over two times! Now that I've seen this video, I understand why. The owner of this Tesla somehow accidentally didn't get comprehensive insurance when he switched insurance companies. Had he had insurance, his insurer would've paid the $16k to repair the car, or mechanically total it and buy a new one (if the car was older, more miles, etc). This is a walled garden. Tesla doesn't allow anyone to buy parts for their cars, other than authorized body shops. Independent repair shops cannot get any support from Tesla. If a car is wrecked and repaired, oftentimes Tesla will pull Supercharger support, so if you own a repaired Tesla you have to go charge on a non-Tesla charging station. By opening up their network to other brands, will Tesla allow those people they cut off to return to their network?
Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it? The difference here is that Apple does have 3rd party repair, sells parts to authorized service facilities (like Best Buy), and the stakes are MUCH lower than $16,000 should Apple deny someone. This is typical Musk arrogance. There are things about the guy I like, I appreciate how he's pushing so many things forward but taking pot-shots at Apple--a company built from nothing but an idea that basically started in a garage (not heavily VC funded like Musk's companies)--is the tea calling the kettle black! His immature humor-laden arrogance is going to bite him in the rear someday. Likely starting with Cybertruck.
This crack is due to poor design. The cost of the repair is why Tesla's are enormously expensive to insure. Your Tesla lovers out there will tell you all the great things but my insurance company would charge me 2.2x for insurance on a Model 3 Dual Motor as they would for a comparably priced BMW 3-series. Over two times! Now that I've seen this video, I understand why. The owner of this Tesla somehow accidentally didn't get comprehensive insurance when he switched insurance companies. Had he had insurance, his insurer would've paid the $16k to repair the car, or mechanically total it and buy a new one (if the car was older, more miles, etc). This is a walled garden. Tesla doesn't allow anyone to buy parts for their cars, other than authorized body shops. Independent repair shops cannot get any support from Tesla. If a car is wrecked and repaired, oftentimes Tesla will pull Supercharger support, so if you own a repaired Tesla you have to go charge on a non-Tesla charging station. By opening up their network to other brands, will Tesla allow those people they cut off to return to their network?
Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it? The difference here is that Apple does have 3rd party repair, sells parts to authorized service facilities (like Best Buy), and the stakes are MUCH lower than $16,000 should Apple deny someone. This is typical Musk arrogance. There are things about the guy I like, I appreciate how he's pushing so many things forward but taking pot-shots at Apple--a company built from nothing but an idea that basically started in a garage (not heavily VC funded like Musk's companies)--is the tea calling the kettle black! His immature humor-laden arrogance is going to bite him in the rear someday. Likely starting with Cybertruck.
So no different than Apple (and many other companies).
I don't think there's enough space for me to post about all the tax incentives and breaks Apple has received over the past 40+ years.
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You got called out on a mullarky statement and are now backtracking. Musk does a lot more than your "blowing smoke" claim