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Tesla repair seems horrendous. I was looking to buy a Model 3 before covid but glad I didn't since I realistically couldn't afford it after the fact. Have you had any bad experiences personally? Next article is Tim Cook muttering Tesla under his breath over some repair issue!
Took 3+ months to replace a windshield, and it was expensive
 
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Personally, I would have no difficulty in charging at home. But a large proportion of the properties where I live cannot charge at home. Many would have to drape the charging cable across a pavement or even a road as they have no accessible gardens or drives or garages. Many live in small apartment blocks without any electricity readily available in the car parking areas. It is the nature of the town.

And people do sometimes need a faster charge.

I just found it ironic that, should I want a fast charge, hydrogen is more accessible than Tesla chargers.(There are also a handful of non-Tesla chargers but not many, not enough to be able to rely on access.)
hydrogen ain't happening anytime soon, no one but a small portion of california has the hydrogen infrastructure laid out.
 
hydrogen ain't happening anytime soon, no one but a small portion of california has the hydrogen infrastructure laid out.
I do not live in California, nor even north America, but, for most of my purposes, the local hydrogen station would be just fine.

There is even a hydrogen vehicle manufacturer slightly closer than the nearest Tesla seller/service location.
 
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Took 3+ months to replace a windshield, and it was expensive
Depending on how busy the service center is, mine took like a month because they were backed up with other cars. I am waiting to get it replaced now and they have 3 techs but 21 cars to work on.
 
Keep something else in mind: Tesla makes up ~80% of market share in a segment that is 2% of the overall automobile market in the USA (and even less worldwide). They're a little company that gets a lot of free press often because of Musk's shenanigans. Volkswagen sells more cars in a day than Tesla sells in a month. Volkswagen's market share isn't shrinking.

My thesis has been for years that while Tesla currently shares a technological advantage, their arrogance will get the best of them when the "dinosaur" carmakers overtake them. The forces are just too great and Tesla's shortcomings will continue to be exposed as people realize there are other options. I want Tesla to succeed as America's great automotive success story but I think Tesla will grow up to be a niche player unless they pull the impossible and come out with a 300-mile range, sub-$20k car, or something.

Volkswagen has committed to producing no new ICE cars, only EV’s (and hydrogen powered cars which I hear will be available within 20 years**). Tesla may not be the only reason but Volkswagen sees them as both an example-probably of both what to do and what not to do- and their current prime competitor, at least in the US.

** I can’t say 20 years from when. I first heard the hydrogen powered vehicles will be available in 20 years in the early 1970’s during the OPEC oil embargo. And have heard it again every time there has been an oil shortage of any kind.
 
I do not live in California, nor even north America, but, for most of my purposes, the local hydrogen station would be just fine.

There is even a hydrogen vehicle manufacturer slightly closer than the nearest Tesla seller/service location.
really, wales have hydrogen stations, when i was in swansea couple years back i don't recall seeing any.
 
Prior to 2021, including all sources you supplied: the OEM must enter a contract to license use of the superchargers.

Again, reread to the ORIGINAL post you replied to: "They have plans to open up the supercharger network."

Even if Tesla were to require a license from now and into the future, it is still "OPENING UP the supercharger network" since before it was closed off to other EVs.

Opening up the supercharger was always the plan since 2018. Drawing a line between license and no license is an example of what we call "moving goal posts".
 
Licensing out the supercharger tech (your 2018 article) != allowing any car to use them like a regular electrify america charger (2021 position taken by Tesla)

Also, guess which car I drive every day. Hint, begins with T. So much for your "just a hater" theory. I think some of their engineering is excellent. I can believe that whilst simultaneously believing their CEO is a manchild that regurgitates bullet points from his engineering team; you know, the people actually behind the accomplishments.

But your regurgitate statement could have just as easily been applied to Steve Jobs. He wasn’t the technical genius in Apple’s early days either, Steve Wozniak was. But Woz probably couldn’t have built Apple into the company it is now. And no one was building anything beyond battery powered kiddie cars when Elon took over Tesla. Extremely low volume, short distance, older technology electric cars. That we’re also boring to look at and drive.

At least with these 2 people being an innovator seems to require being an opinionated dictator as well. It sort of worked with Jobs-company did fine but when he got sick his intuition and beliefs ended up killing him-and we don’t know how it will end up with Elon. The person that the car company Elon owns is named for was a genius who died broke with his products making millions for other companies but not for him.
 
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And? People aren't allowed to look for another job when the company they work for looks like it is going to go belly up?

There's a difference between a person looking for a job and recruiters actively harassing you via phone/email to come work for them.
 
Do you have evidence of his pedophilia? Because that kinda looked like Musk was acting out like the world's richest 8 year old.

The assertion was divers didn't want the submarine. I countered with actual evidence.

You can have fun discussing pedophilia, but I have no intentions of speaking on that subject.
 
This is the guy who called one of the cave rescue divers in Thailand a pedophile because the guy said the robot Musk sent wasn’t helpful to the rescue. Musk is a jerk and a crackpot. People complained (rightly so) about Steve Jobs’ antisocial tendencies, but Jobs seemed like a real peach compared to this guy.

Wonder if Musk’s handlers and cleanup crew are out and about on the thread, or if they stick to Twitter and other social media?
 
Technically if its late its not a delivered promise. Either wat I like Tesla cars but its not a panacea to fix climate change like Elon and others try to make it out to be.

Teslas OS is proprietary just like Apple’s iOS. Some devices like phones/iPads, microwaves, refrigerators and maybe cars too should be closed. Software firms can chose to not build for it.

Assuming those timelines were promised. Even Elon admits he sucks with time.
 
Wall garden you say? So is he saying that Tesla will let me plug my Chevy Bolt in at a Tesla Supercharger?
It literally says it in the 3rd sentence in the Macrumors article above! C’mon at least read the first 5 lines of what Macrumors write!

“In a discussion about plans to allow Tesla competitors to use the Tesla electric vehicle charger network”
 
Wall garden you say? So is he saying that Tesla will let me plug my Chevy Bolt in at a Tesla Supercharger?

lol. Although he may be opening it up from the comments he's made - actions will be the true test and how long it takes to do so.

I do love how all the complaints about the "walled garden" want to have the US (and the world) be a "walled garden" with a minimum tax rate, worldwide controls etc. The worldwide government monopoly is the true walled garden.
 
Both people have their side of arrogance. However, things were in check when Jobs was around because he would've responded and sometimes handed over the other person's behind, and in a sense, it kept everybody in check. Tim Cook is not as hot headed, which is a positive in general, but when it comes to things like this and the world of mainstream media (where the loudest get the confirmation), it made Apple look bad because you only see the loudness from one side.
Not true. The media portrayal of Steve is just that media. I knew him. He was absolutely passionate about what he did, but he wasn't arrogant or ratty as the media suggested. He was a really nice guy who appreciated input from like minded individuals.
 
I love Tesla's products, and am set to get two of them myself. And I can't deny that Elon is a visionary. However, he really needs to just go and shut his mouth in public. Let the products and tech advances speak for themselves.
 
I don’t know him personally, but I’m pretty sure Elon isn’t concerned about Apple in any shape or form.

Tesla and Space X are far from BlackBerry
Tesla FSD mistakes a full moon for a yellow light, so I don't think he's quite as far ahead in this race as people think he is. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 
Tesla repair seems horrendous. I was looking to buy a Model 3 before covid but glad I didn't since I realistically couldn't afford it after the fact. Have you had any bad experiences personally? Next article is Tim Cook muttering Tesla under his breath over some repair issue!
I have not had any serious issues myself. I'm currently having an intermittent AC issue that I have a work around for and I need to take it in but have been waiting for a new Service Center that is much closer to me to open up (it was supposed to open in the "Spring" but hasn't yet). I however have not owned one that is out of warranty and that seems to be where the "right to repair" issues come in.
 
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There isn't a bigger douche billionaire than Elon.

There are probably a number of douche billionaires that are as big or bigger than Elon. The Koch brothers, the Walton family, Jeff Bezos….and Saudi, Kuwaiti, and United Emirate royalty that you probably don’t want to be on the bad side of. There’s probably a list of Russian and Chinese billionaires as well but they don’t get much press here.
 
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