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With respect to Elon, its because much of Tesla cars is not its own invention, so cannot be subject to intellectual protection. Batteries, technology for EV's is decades old. Perhaps the self driving software is theirs, but then I wouldn't want to claim that!

Hypocritical for someone who plays the market which in the UK could potentially be considered insider trading or where Tesla which claims a profit, but where does that profit come from? Bitcoin and charges paid by the big auto companies that manufacture ICE's and that will cease as they produce their own EV's.

Apple produces profit on its own merits and where many of Elons ventures receive absolutely extraordinary subsidies and grants wherever they go.

Nothing to stop Elon having his own Tesla App Store, but there is not much call for Self Driving software that has proved so unreliable and of course if he allows ANY app on to his store, good luck with that.

Perhaps an App that automatically dials the fire brigade and emergency services?

On a more serious note, Elon is in my opinion very over rated as the futuristic guru, because much of it was done by other people and some of it aeons ago. The hyper tunnel, EV's, etc. etc., were not a product of Musk's mind.

For example the pneumatic transportation was invented by William Murdoch around 1799! Otto von Guerick demonstrated artificial vacuum in 1669 and the first railway, The Atmospheric Railway was built by George Medhurst in 1830s as a result of Guerick's work, and was a transport system relying on air pressure transporting via cast iron pipes and in 1812 it carried passengers.

French physicist Gaston Plane invented the rechargeable battery in 1859, and the first production electric vehicle was produced by Thomas Parker in London, 1884.

Tesla originally used batteries via Panasonic and the latest battery known as the 'million mile' battery is a joint development with a Chinese company.

The first battery powered electric motor was by Thomas Davenport, 1834, and even the latest genre of electric motors owes its heritage to companies and inventors other than Tesla.

Old sayings attributed to Mark Twain/Abraham Lincoln: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt." "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt."
 
Yes indeed. At least that is the plan.

But then you have to realise that in much of what is considered open source its because Tesla were not the originators of it and quite possibly could not claim intellectual copyright on much of it anyway as many of the actual inventions took place in some cases centuries before Elon thought about it. EV's, rechargeable batteries, using pressured tubes for transport, etc. etc., could never be claimed by Tesla. Perhaps the self driving software could, but would anyone want to claim that?
 
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I own APPL and TSLA and own way too many Apple products and had two Teslas at one point, but now just have the Model Y Performance due to lack of driving. However I no problem criticizing both. While Musk has been open (recently) to opening the Supercharger network, Tesla's right to repair policies have been far worse than even Apple's which I think is a much bigger issue.
Ah nice to respond to a Tesla survivor. The difference is Apple can claim intellectual copyright to products and software, whereas much of Tesla's work utilises other people's work, so difficult to obtain intellectual copyright on it anyway!

So its not necessarily a question of Tesla's largesse.
 
Honest question — Can you got to *any* car repair shop and get your Tesla repaired? Can you walk into a brick-and-morter car parts shop and buy replacement parts? Can you install compatible after-market audio system easily?

I ask because I'm wondering how "open" or "closed" Teslas are compared to other brands from a parts and upgrades stance?
 
Tesla’s software on base models limits things like the amount of battery and power avaliable which can be unlocked through in app purchases.
Can we break out of Tesla’s wall and install our own software (like you can on almost any other car with a tune)? One that doesn’t put these pointless limitations on the hardware that we bought?
 
Wall garden you say? So is he saying that Tesla will let me plug my Chevy Bolt in at a Tesla Supercharger?
I’m not going to lie, I don’t fancy being sat next to a potential explosion waiting to happen when I’m charging my Tesla. 😂
 
Apple has always been a walled garden. The point of switching to M1 is not to kill windows and is not anti-intel. It’s to make better products.
Apple is a walled garden because Apple has the intellectual protection of the items it has designed, the software it has designed etc., but that is not the case with Tesla where much of its product/innovation is based on ideas often a century old.
 
Honest question — Can you got to *any* car repair shop and get your Tesla repaired? Can you walk into a brick-and-morter car parts shop and buy replacement parts? Can you install compatible after-market audio system easily?

I ask because I'm wondering how "open" or "closed" Teslas are compared to other brands from a parts and upgrades stance?

Teslas are very, very closed compared to other cars. Elon just knows how to get attention.
 
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I’m sure if Apple builds cars they will use a different battery formulation. Every company and their leaders are a mix of good and bad. I wish Tesla would support Apple Music and wish Apple would allow the App Store to be more open. I’ll still buy a Tesla and MacBook because I think they are the best products on balance.

How would "opening up" the App Store give you more choice than you have right now? Isn't it up to developers to build apps for the platform in the first place? If they choose not to, a more open App Store won't help. It's not like the 30%/15% stop developers from developing for the platform in the first place. It's a gold mine business to get into.
 
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I agree with MUSK. APPLE is a WALLED GARDEN.
Going back to the days of not being able to install windows on an APPLE silicon Mac
You cant upgrade your Disk size or RAM due to the new APPLE chip design.
The fact that they booted a DOS emulator to run Windows Games on an Apple Silicon Mac provides some proof.

We are Back to the Days of ANTI Windows and ANTI INTEL.

Completely untrue, at least from a software perspective. Yes, the hardware might be more locked down (no argument there), but when it comes to software, Macs do not live in a walled garden. I think you're confusing these terms.

The Mac App Store is just one source of software for Macs. You can also download from any trusted developer directly and install from package repositories, such as MacPorts and HomeBrew. There's a TON of trusted software available beyond what Apple vets through the App Store.

(iOS is a different story, so it's important to distinguist these platforms when making statements)
 
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I love the handwringing over criticisms directed at other corporate leaders.

Of course Musk has every right to criticize Apple for:
- the walled garden/too tight of control over the app store
- apple's vig for shipping 3rd party apps
- apple's continual treadmill of (arbitrary?) changes required of 3rd party apps
- lack of repairability
- overpriced products
- sherlocking!

And Apple can make fun of Musk for:
- suckling at the federal teet in almost all businesses.
- overpriced products.
- treating employees like garbage.
- dong shaped spacecraft design.

And the number one reason that Apple can make fun of Elon:
- the increased likelihood of elon's life trajectory becoming comparable to Howard Hughes.
 
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Honest question — Can you got to *any* car repair shop and get your Tesla repaired? Can you walk into a brick-and-morter car parts shop and buy replacement parts? Can you install compatible after-market audio system easily?

I ask because I'm wondering how "open" or "closed" Teslas are compared to other brands from a parts and upgrades stance?
Depending on what country you are in will depend just how open this scenario is at the moment.

Here in the UK we’ve gone from Tesla only repairs and upgrades to many garages, which are trained and “certified” by Tesla, working on Tesla’s. This is a far cry from my first year of ownership where Tesla had a stranglehold (understandably) on the upgrade and repairs side.

Bodywork can be done by most repair garages, sometimes sensors need to be recalibrated by yourself the owner or Tesla.

Glass can be repaired and replaced, easy.

Mechanical and electrical (think suspension and onboard charger) can be done by these certified garages, usually at a lower cost as the garages get a small discount on buying parts from Tesla and their labour fees tend to be lower. Savings for us owners.

As an example, my onboard charger died in 2016 Model S. Out of warranty this would have cost £4,200 including labour and tax.

My 2017 Model X just had the same work done and it cost £1,184. Significant difference; this was done through Tesla too.

Honestly, they’re really getting there with the openness of third party repairs. Musk does state that they see repairs as not being a pure profit centre - in my experience of the last 6 years, this has been true.

Edit: In terms of brick and mortar stores for parts, yes, kinda… from Tesla or stockists but my understanding this is getting more available for your “everyday” car parts specialists but the bottleneck for this is that Tesla can’t make the parts fast enough for their own cars being built let alone stockists - but I’m sure it will happen.

For self upgrades, such as the sound system, yes and no. You can upgrade the speakers but it’s a lot of wiring and you can’t guarantee the system will accept it (in terms of control from the centre screen aka MCU).

In my honest opinion though, that isn’t much of a pain point. The sound systems are incredible. Plus I don’t see the point in buying my car for £97k and then upgrading the sound system - maybe in the future when the speakers eventually blow out though! I can’t wait for the future and upgrades for the car.
 
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Get em in now. Apple might take your lunch if all the other car manufacturers don’t first.
no one is gonna take tesla's lunch money, all these legacy auto who supposedly come out with their own ev and diminish tesla market share predicted by analysts years ago, have either fell short of their goal and haven't start production yet, or have started and realized its a much bigger task than originally expected. as tesla continue to simplify its manufacturing process, I.E giga press, the gap between tesla and legacy auto is only gonna widen.
 
other major manufactures are about to step all over his ev world. Teslas have looked the same for many years, looking like old Buicks at this point. Seems like a nervous dude.
i highly disagree, the two biggest aspect folks looking for in EV is mileage and auto pilot, for the price of a model 3, both field tesla is miles ahead. tesla is the benchmark.
 
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I’m not defending anyone here. I’m pointing out that Elon did throw a temper tantrum on Twitter and say this; not once but twice.
And the diver wanting him to build a sub is BS.
Hey Elon, design, build and ship us a mini sub to rescue these trapped divers. The real rescue divers wanted to get in their as quickly and safely as possible, and do their professional jobs; without some hair brain scheme from a kid billionaire.

“On Sunday, when a Twitter user pointed out that Musk was “calling the guy who found the children a pedo”, the billionaire responded: “Bet ya a signed dollar it’s true.”

the court documents you refer to are from Elon's defence aren't they? They are hardly likely to be anything other than critical of Vern, but the fact is Elon got away with calling someone a paedo, and the only reason was because he had MONEY. No one in the real world could possibly suggest that wasn't defamatory, but money talks, plus of course it buys copious amounts of drugs and Elon has given indications he uses.
 
He's right, but Tesla is also a walled garden. Just go try to repair your Tesla at some other repair shop than theirs.
 
Silly Elon, he's certainly someone who runs his mouth off without thinking what he's saying.
He is annoying, and some of his cars quality's are questionable, although improving as I understand, but, he has built by far the best charging network for electric cars and his cars have very good range.
His opening of the Tesla network will make electric cars more viable I'm sure.

However if Elon doesn't think more about what he is saying, then he may be in court again for his choice of words and it might be against someone like Apple, where his high class lawyers won't find it so easy to defend.
 
No they don't hell the electric F-150 has less range than the Model Y which is already out. As for other manufactures coming for Tesla, with what? Tesla has the infrastructure to make the batteries etc. Not to mention a vast worldwide charging network that keeps expanding and being improved.
Yes take a look how Elon tried to increase the charging network in the UK by some of the tricks played on the owner of Ecotricity.

 
elon sucks on time, but has delivered on promises.
Technically if its late its not a delivered promise. Either wat I like Tesla cars but its not a panacea to fix climate change like Elon and others try to make it out to be.

Teslas OS is proprietary just like Apple’s iOS. Some devices like phones/iPads, microwaves, refrigerators and maybe cars too should be closed. Software firms can chose to not build for it.
 
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