90+ % of users won't notice ANY difference between 6 cores i7 and i9. These tests just prove it's not worth to buy i9 MBP for majority of users as you simply can't get 100% of i9 in such a slim ntb.
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Tests Confirm Apple's Throttling Fix Improves Performance for 2018 MacBook Pro Models [Updated]
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I own one and yes we are. Undervolt, repaste the CPU and we're good to go. Oh and replace the crummy SSD and flawed Killer wifi. It's a different market Dell are after.
I agree. They should really have an updated entry level notebook starting around $850-$1K. MacBook Air has run its course.
Did they really jump the gun? They were right, it throttled horribly. If people didn’t talk about this issue, chances are Apple wouldn’t have done anything.
Soo, I guess the root-cause was that the unlocked i9 CPU went ahead and just violated its Power-Envelope which overloaded the MBPs VRM and lead to massive safety-throttling. Now that is was told to stay within the limits the machine can handle it performs as expected.
Mistakes happen, thats why it is important to quickly fix them.
Mistakes happen, thats why it is important to quickly fix them.
I finally think I understand these people calling out others as "haters", "whiners" etc despite haters and whiners having just done Apple and customers a great service. They are folks who would normally follow a football team, but just don't like football for whatever reason. So they cheer for a tech team instead.
Criticism is completely different to needless bashing.
Trust me, there is a big difference between people pointing out flaws and calling Apple ****.
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As I said to the other guy too, there's a difference between criticism and blind hatred. Do you know the difference?
Nothing to do with DirectX, and that's not really how it works anyway. Most games on macOS have the option to use vsync, especially since most games these days are written with a third-party engine (Unity/Unreal/etc.) which already has that option. Also, if by "integrated into the logic board" you're talking about discrete GPUs (as opposed to Intel graphics which are part of the CPU), that has no effect, since in that case mobile GPU variants generally have the same capabilities as desktop equivalents, and are merely downclocked somewhat. iOS games don't typically offer advanced settings for the same reason console games don't: the target audience isn't expected to want to bother with that. Nothing to do with the hardware/software, which are perfectly capable of doing that if the developers wanted to. (There are occasional limitations, like vsync is forced on iOS, whereas on macOS it's not.)
Most games don't require the internet, only multiplayer games, but even then you don't generally send data every frame. Sending/receiving data and generating frames are independent; essentially games attempt to predict what will happen for some frames in the absence of data, since the internet is not really fast or reliable enough to sync every frame. It's not something that makes much sense to limit since it wouldn't save any noticeable amount of power.
ATI had a Mac utility to force vsync, anti-aliasing, etc. for games that didn't directly support them, many years ago (back in the PPC days). MacBooks aren't really a "mobile environment" like iOS is though, and have the same capabilities as desktops.
--Eric
When have haters of anything ever actually shut up? The most recent time I remember a hater very publicly shutting up and apologizing is former Alabama governor and opponent of the civil rights movement George Wallace, infamous for chanting "Segregation Today - Segregation Tomorrow - Segregation FOREVER!!!" in his 1963 inauguration speech. He spent the last part of his life touring the country renouncing the hatred he had previously espoused.
It was good while it lasted, the conspiracy i mean
Conspiracy ? How could Apple release to the market something like this? Does not look like they tested it much.
Still it seems obvious that the thermal design could have been improved and hasn't been.
These tests seem to demonstrate that the fix stops the erratic processor frequencies, making them more stable, but that the overall performance (in heavy multi-threaded workloads) is unchanged (with processor frequencies actually quite low - certainly below turbo speeds).
My questions are: Are there any conditions where these six-core processors (the i7 or the i9) are able to reach their maximum turbo speed? What about in a single-threaded workload? Will the i9 then be faster? And is this dependent on the fix?
My questions are: Are there any conditions where these six-core processors (the i7 or the i9) are able to reach their maximum turbo speed? What about in a single-threaded workload? Will the i9 then be faster? And is this dependent on the fix?
Quickly acknowledging and fixing a problem is the next best thing after not having a problem
Guys!! We only got a patch here, we didn't get the root issue addressed!
Yes! Apple fixed the bug it had and they do deserve a high five on that! Finding it, correcting it and within very short time roll a patch. All good and hard work! Yes, clap our hands for that!
Now lets get back to the root issue here as David Lee points out ALL of the thinner systems fall victim to the lack of adequate cooling so the i9 is throttled by the systems design.
While the constraints may be livable for many, there is still a very large crowd that want and need more from this chip! Apple failed them! This chip could still give us 10 to 20% still better performance!
Yes! Apple fixed the bug it had and they do deserve a high five on that! Finding it, correcting it and within very short time roll a patch. All good and hard work! Yes, clap our hands for that!
Now lets get back to the root issue here as David Lee points out ALL of the thinner systems fall victim to the lack of adequate cooling so the i9 is throttled by the systems design.
While the constraints may be livable for many, there is still a very large crowd that want and need more from this chip! Apple failed them! This chip could still give us 10 to 20% still better performance!
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Well realistically, you are agreeing with the comment which you have quoted. It won’t shut Apple haters up, because you feel there’s more to complain about. The comment states the obvious, which you have qualified. So I don’t see the need for your comment either.
Yea? Where are you getting your stats? FYI, you also will not be able to get 100% from the i7s indeed due to the chassis.
Because it is well known that most computer users would not even need the full performance of a quad core i7, never mind a hexacore i7 or i9. And yeah, the i7 will not give 100% performance in such a chassis, so neither will the i9, so the perfmonace gains will not be used by most users
Why should they?? It’s because of the youtubers that Apple came up with the fix. If no one said anything, Apple wouldn’t have done anything. Duhh...
Considering the differences in speed between smaller and larger laptops. Maybe there is a market for someone to develop a 'Turbo Dock'. A dock that attaches to the bottom of the laptop which contains a battery and a liquid cooling solution so power users can get better battery while travelling and faster performance when plugged in.
Not to mention that Dell will let you repaste without voiding the warranty. And that, wow, you can replace components like the SSD and wifi. Oh yeah, and that Dell's issue is thermal throttling, the same that Apple mentions when they say they were only addressing "inappropriate throttling" with their coding fix. So, in essence, the people that have been saying "Apple came out with a fix, why doesn't Dell" seem to be misunderstanding that Dell DID NOT HAVE this problem. The problem that Dell has is the same one that Apple still has.
Did any of the testing check the voltage? I'm wondering if Apple's fix was undervolting.
Dave Lee, who highlighted the throttling problem in the first place, tweeted some post-patch test results and said the performance was much better.
Apple reached out to Lee to and worked with him to replicate his workflow, getting to the source of the bug. Apple discovered that there was a missing digital key in the MacBook Pro firmware that impacted the thermal management system, driving down clock speeds under heavy thermal loads. This was a problem that appears to have affected all 2018 MacBook Pro models.
Update: Dave Lee, who first found the throttling issue, also uploaded a new video and says the supplemental macOS High Sierra update has successfully fixed the throttling issues that he saw prior to the patch.
Using the same Adobe Premiere render time test, Lee found that the Core i9 MacBook Pro was significantly faster than the 2017 Core i7 model that had beaten it prior to the patch.
If there is an issue with a product, then you have to bring this up to the company. It's called feedback and not complaining. How is a company supposed to know if their product was having some type of issue if no one ever contact them? I am glad to see this only requires an update and Apple quickly resolved this bug.