I think that was your long-winded euphemism for "curses, foiled again!".
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Tests Confirm Apple's Throttling Fix Improves Performance for 2018 MacBook Pro Models [Updated]
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I think that was your long-winded euphemism for "curses, foiled again!".
You don’t really have to guess at what they did.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/24/apple-addresses-macbook-pro-throttling/
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Since his “workflow” consisted of a a few benchmarks anybody can run in a spare 5 minute I’m not sure how it merits an “eventually”, but there we go.
Yes, but it is disturbing they do not "diagnose" the issue BEFORE they release a product, but after.
Again Kudos for resolving it fast and no other company does it / or does it that fast, but you'd immagine a company like Apple either diagnose the isse beforehand (wich means they released a product knowing it would have this issue....not a good thing, or at least they could have let people know that they would release such patch beforehand) or they had no clue and investigated after the youtube fiasco (wich means they definetly DO NOT TEST their hardware.)
Don't know what I am more confortable with, either way Apple is lucky the "fix it team" is quick and reliable, but you can't always rely on your safety net!
I find it absolutely hilarious that so many here think that most people would prefer a laptop 2-3x as thick, in order to possibly get 10% more performance in very specific tasks. No, that's not a tradeoff most people would make or want. One of the strengths of the MBP is its incredible design/thinness/weight, and that has a ton of advantages. For most people (including pros), that's NOT worth sacrificing for a bit more clockspeed. And those that NEED the absolute best performance would go with another machine, like the iMac Pro. Its as if people here pretend to forget that the entire point of a laptop is high portability.
I agree with you to an extent. You can’t really use the car comparison because it’s 2 very different things. Apple has a very unique operating system. It’s either you use them or Microsoft/Android/ChromeOS or whatever’s it’s called.
Apple devices change people’s lives for so many reasons. Allowing them to easily use technology, communicate with family/friends, create etc.
I absolutely agree with you and think it’s unhealthy for people to constantly bash and complain about Apple. Some criticism is warranted though, but the company was never perfect even under Steve.
I think a lot of people are overreacting when it comes to their dislike of Apple, but at the same time things have changed a lot. And some people have much better experiences than others.
In short... Life is short haha. These people need to just live their lives and put that negative energy into other things.
I understand and get what you are saying. Yes, posting on YT will bring more attention but it is not the only avenue to report an issue. One can call Apple, contact consumer affairs, lawsuit, etc.
I have spec'd out and ordered (for a customer) two maxed out Alienware notebooks this year. There is nothing spectacular about their performance other than the specs. They have a slow response time when compared to my MacBook Pro. I am not bashing the hardware in anyway, which do the physical size of the machine cannot possibly have any restrictions on cooling, but will say that Windows 10 is the only thing that could be slowing this computer. There are lots of times I can see a 1 or 2 second pause in responsiveness. Both of these run a specialized CAD package, but the sluggishness occurs even when they are not running. I would think Linux would be a speed demon just based on the specs.
I get that, but seriously who would do serious video work on a battery???? All laptops, when on battery, default to lower speeds to preserve battery life. You can override this but if you are doing serious work that is very taxing you will plug in.
They’re probably thinking that they made a good decision based on the information at the time. They can now re-purchase if they desire. I certainly wouldn’t want purchase a device, discover its hobbled in some way causing doubt and then let that 14 day return window lapse.
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so now it is already just a hype. maybe tomorrow we can say it all happened in parallel universe?
probably the same as the rest of us: how apple didnt see this before shipping those units? all they would have needed to do it was to run a simple test or maybe just editing their own show with their new macboo pro to see that something isnt right. it is hard to believe that they wouldnt have tested the laptop enough to see it throttling. i just dont believe that they didnt see it. probably they didnt expect it to be so huge news... who knows...
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Yep, Nowhere is stated that Apple worked with Dave Lee for PR reasons, as I was answering in my post.
If these benchmarks can be run by 'anybody who has a spare 5 minutes', why didn't Apple have a spare 5 minutes to run these benchmarks before releasing the product? Running Adobe Premiere seems like a reasonable test to do for the target group this MBP is meant for?
If you want to plug in a USB-A keyboard and mouse it will only cost you $100 is dongles? Seriously your AppleFanWorship is a little blatant.
The FACT is they could have easily had two USB-C on one side and two USB-A on the other side. However it would have to be a tad thicker!!!!! That thickness would have done a few things. More diverse port options and less dongles. More room for cooling hot CPU's. More Key travel, up and down.
I have yet to see or use a USB-C flash drive. I am sure they exist. I do use USB-A flash drives all the time with a dongle on my 2017 Macbook. I use Ethernet as well with a dongle. On my ThinkPad I can do both without a dongle. It does not have a Apple logo on it but the Keyboard is 1000x better, 8 days a week.
To be fair, the original findings showed that the i9 MBP was not able to sustain base clock on full CPU load before the patch. I agree that one should not expect a laptop to sustain peak performance for a long time but it should be able to sustain base clock for a reasonable amount of time. It can get hot and very loud while doing it but it should not throttle within minutes unless the airflow is blocked by something.
what?
pick one word i say, focus on it, go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the entirety of the dialogue i was attempting to have with you??
i tried to give you some info regarding the questions you asked.
take it or leave it but if you keep up with the word salad games, i’ll no longer be engaging in a convo with you.
My beloved 2011 MBP just died, after travelling all around the world and pushing it every day to its limit during all these years. I did not purchase a new MBP ! No way... I just replaced it with a mid 2012 version, the one with the 2.6ghz I7 16gb, pre-retina version, the BEST MBP EVER BUILT, for 500$. I just replaced the DVD by a SSD because I can open and replace all parts by myself, and I am ok for the next 5 years. I am doing a lot of music production, videos with FCPX and After Effects, photos with Photoshop and performance is ok. Rendering of big videos takes some time, but usually I launch the biggest rendering before I go to sleep, so when I wake up it's done...Amazing computer. My best friend.
The 2011 got some heat and video card issues. The 2012 pre-retina is almost perfect.
If I am lucky, let's dream, may be in 5 years from now Apple will allow again people to open and customize their MBP...
The 2011 got some heat and video card issues. The 2012 pre-retina is almost perfect.
If I am lucky, let's dream, may be in 5 years from now Apple will allow again people to open and customize their MBP...
On and off topic. When did the expectations change that laptops need to be able to run a cpu at max speed for hours on end? I thought that is why companies build server farms on hardware designed to that. Even then server hardware is placed in rooms much colder than room temperature(from experience
Expectations changed when companies continue to focus less on desktop/workstations and more towards making laptops/smartphones smaller and less IO.
Now that’s a more interesting question. I’d love to know how these hit the streets in the state they were in too. It’s a pretty horrible mistake imo. The only semi-convincing theory I’ve seen to date is that the pre-production units were tested by engineers and worked as expected* but sometime between pre-production and production the firmware was changed/broken. Actual post-production QA would have had to been little more than, “does it switch on, run and not crash in x number of hours”.
Not sure I entirely buy that explanation either but it’s the only one that makes even a lick of sense to me.
* Note the performance claims on the Apple website all say “Testing conducted by Apple using preproduction hardware”
Of course none of this has anything to do with what we were discussing, which was that all they did was ask the guy what his test bed was and probably only then, as suggested by @Shanghaichica, for PR purposes. They could, like any of the rest of us, have just watched the video if that’s what they were interested in finding out.
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Apple improves performance of i9, while still using outdated case for thermals of a high performance chip, and restricting fan usage to 90 celcius to prioritize quietness.
Someone needs to do post-patch bench comparison between all 3 6-core versions of MBP. I am betting they all going to perform similarly
It's still very bizarre! The fix was released so fast, as if Apple had been aware of this so-called bug and implemented throttling on purpose. Is anyone talking how hot these machines get now without throttling in place? I'm pretty sure it's a design flaw and they had to cap the new processors to keep the temperatures down. It's just like with the iPhone battery debacle: they didn't publicly acknowledge that until it blew in their faces.