Texas Governor Signs Off on App Store Law Against Tim Cook's Wishes

[Dark_Omen]

Yes, MAGA never tries to rile people up. Oh wait:

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He's just saying what level-headed people think. The left on the other hand, wants the majority to walk on eggshells to satisfy the 0.01% of the United States.

Immigration is a huge problem in the U.S., and judges elected by Biden and Obama keep getting in the way of getting rid of people that aren't even here legally. Due process for those that haven't committed any other crimes, great. Now those that are already convicted of drug crimes, rape, and murders --- those people absolutely should not need further due process before being deported --- they've already been convicted.

 

[JohnC1959]

It's impossible to enforce?

It can be enforced easily.

-Scan front and back of driver's license of adult parent.
-Verify last 4 digits of card on file with parent, and CVV.
- Setup 6 digit screen time code/face ID that allows to bypass the block temporarily.
-Information from license is purged after everything is setup.
-Screen time bypass automatically gets lifted after one turns 18.

Well, you'd really also need to have the account owner in a video, holding that driver's license and stating on the video the name of the account this is to be used with. Otherwise a kid can just "borrow" the ID and CC of some adult. Though deep fake videos can circumvent that. Probably need the account owner to show up somewhere in person.

 

[DBZmusicboy01]

Republican Politicians are truly Fascists when it comes to Apple Privacy. They use a lie about * Safety * while in reality they want to track everyone who uses Apple for their own evil agenda.. maybe they will associate an account user as being left leaning? So yeah
We CANT let Fascism take over because the party of small government is NOT Small Government. But Big Brother 😈
😒 I Love the Poorly Educated - •YouKnowWho•

 

[Dark_Omen]

Well, you'd really also need to have the account owner in a video, holding that driver's license and stating on the video the name of the account this is to be used with. Otherwise a kid can just "borrow" the ID and CC of some adult. Though deep fake videos can circumvent that. Probably need the account owner to show up somewhere in person.

Seeing as this should be setup during the phone setup process... I don't really see that happening. If you're setting up the phone at a carrier store, the fraud definitely isn't happening. A parent should be helping the kid setup a phone in the first place.

 

[JohnC1959]

Seeing as this should be setup during the phone setup process... I don't really see that happening. If you're setting up the phone at a carrier store, the fraud definitely isn't happening. A parent should be helping the kid setup a phone in the first place.

interesting idea requiring people no longer buy phones online or used from friends or others. Of course there's an awful lot of phones already out in the wild not to be replaced for some years.

 

[Dark_Omen]

interesting idea requiring people no longer buy phones online or used from friends or others. Of course there's an awful lot of phones already out in the wild not to be replaced for some years.

Apple already automatically forces someone to create a child account if the DOB is younger than 18. License requirement solvles that.

 

[Dark_Omen]

It seems like pretty clear encroachment on the Commerce Clause.

Texas trying to regulate commerce occurring with a company based in California clearly falls into federal jurisdiction.

There is no commerce clause violation. States have a right to enact privacy laws on electronic devices as they see fit. Most of the phones don't even come directly from California -- they come from China.

That's like saying states must enact a national speed limit because a car was built in Michigan but imported to New Jersey.

 

[It’s always something]

He's just saying what level-headed people think.

“Level-headed people” don’t think those who disagree with them are “scum” (all caps). They don’t try to undermine the legitimacy of the courts, either.

 

[Dark_Omen]

“Level-headed people” don’t think those who disagree with them are “scum” (all caps). They don’t try to undermine the legitimacy of the courts, either.

The legitimacy of the courts have been erorded by the judicial branch itself.

 

[It’s always something]

The legitimacy of the courts have been erorded by the judicial branch itself.

No, it hasn’t. It’s been eroded by the Trump regime’s revolting insistence upon challenging the legitimacy of any decision they don’t like.

 

[aidler]

After last week and now this, Tim lost his mojo.

 

[frownface]

Sounds reasonable. I'd rather have these things managed centrally and have that usable for any number of sites/apps than have to verify age.

There's no replacement for good parenting; and i say that as a parent. At the same time I was 14 once and i know exactly the **** i used to get up to, like those uh websites that require a CC number for age verification.

 

[Tdude96]

Isn't every kid just going to select 18+ or 21+ when asked their age when setting up an account the first time?

Yes. Which will lead to the busybodies who dreamed this up "for the children" to lament that it didn't work and then pass another law to require the upload of an ID, cutting even further into people's privacy and sending even more personal information off to Big Tech. Texas is generally known for being one of the few remaining places where Common Sense and Personal Responsibility aren't on permanent leave. Seems they must have taken a vacation for this to get through.

 

[JohnC1959]

Yes. Which will lead to the busybodies who dreamed this up "for the children" to lament that it didn't work and then pass another law to require the upload of an ID, cutting even further into people's privacy and sending even more personal information off to Big Tech. Texas is generally known for being one of the few remaining places where Common Sense and Personal Responsibility aren't on permanent leave. Seems they must have taken a vacation for this to get through.

sending a photo of an ID wouldn't help. Kids would just "borrow" one from some adult. It would have to be even more than this. Probably someone appearing in person somewhere with the ID.

 

[Boeingfan]

I like the idea in principle but the key question is verify by what means. Some means would be inadequate and some other means may involve risking key documents that can lead to identity theft. We'll have to see.

Agreed. I guess if there is information required to confirm an identity that a user doesn’t agree to providing, then simply the service should not be available to that user; that makes sense and is a safeguard in itself.

 

[Boeingfan]

Yes. Which will lead to the busybodies who dreamed this up "for the children" to lament that it didn't work and then pass another law to require the upload of an ID, cutting even further into people's privacy and sending even more personal information off to Big Tech. Texas is generally known for being one of the few remaining places where Common Sense and Personal Responsibility aren't on permanent leave. Seems they must have taken a vacation for this to get through.

If a parent has so little interest in their child’s welfare that they allow them to set up their own account, then that parent is at fault for putting their child at risk of exposure to inappropriate content. Personal responsibility.

 

[JohnC1959]

If a parent has so little interest in their child’s welfare that they allow them to set up their own account, then that parent is at fault for putting their child at risk of exposure to inappropriate content. Personal responsibility.

Though that starts to get a bit awkward with older children (16, 17). That's the age where most parents will be starting to show trust and the kids will insist on some level and would be reasonable in doing so.

 

[surferfb]

Money is changing hands between residents of Texas and a company in California. That’s interstate commerce.

Sure but this law is not “an encroachment of the commerce clause.”

States have police power - that is the authority to regulate for health, safety, and welfare of their residents (as long as those laws just apply to activity in that state).

If a company chooses to sell products in a state, then it is voluntarily subjecting itself to the laws of that state. Courts have routinely held that states can impose reasonable conditions on doing business in their territory.(That’s why, for example, California can have stricter fuel economy standards than the rest of the country - and why they can apply to Ford and GM that are based in Michigan.)

The key tests are 1) the state can’t discriminate against out of state companies and 2) the burden on interstate commerce can’t outweigh the local benefits.

All of that said, there is nothing preventing Congress from passing a law that says “states aren’t allowed make Apple/Google do this” using their power under the commerce clause.

 

[SpotOnT]

This is a rare occurrence where I agree with the Texas government. If this data is getting collected, I much prefer to give my information to Apple than every random developer whose app I want to download.

But why should it be collected?

“Must present passport or ID to use a telephone.” How is that OK?

 

[surferfb]

But why should it be collected?

“Must present passport or ID to use a telephone.” How is that OK?

While I don’t have a super strong opinion on the topic, I think it’s entirely reasonable for someone to be required verify the age of a customer before buying a violent video game or R rated movie, for example.

Same thing here. There are plenty of violent/inappropriate apps on the App Store. And if someone is going to verify the age, I’d prefer it to be Apple rather than developers.

 

[jimbobb24]

What is all the hate for age verification? The whole internet made an initial mistake of allowing kids of any age to go everywhere without any verification. It has caused untold damage to children. Govts are correcting this. This is perfectly reasonable.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Party of small government or something. People need to understand that heavily sanitizing the world our kids are exposed to will hurt them, us, and our country down the line.

Alas, we have multiple generations of parents afraid to teach and explain things to their kids.

 

[Take Flight]

If a kid is underage a parent should be setting up the phone if they are worried about it. Some are and some aren't. Depends on how much you trust your child.

And also how tech savvy the parent is. Apple should at the very least make it easier and clearer for parents to setup/manage these controls. It takes quite a bit of fiddling and tech knowhow to get those in place.

And there should also be some type of profile management on shared ipads, to have a child profile, like macs have had forever.

 

[fgengineer]

For those complaining about it collecting age information, how many websites or even YouTube videos already ask for age verification and collect it.

And how many times have I actually answered truthfully?

0

 

[derekamoss]

And how many times have I actually answered truthfully?

0

And most people don't but it's irrelevant. They are still asking and collecting information and you are still visiting and entering information so what's the difference if the app store does it?

People who buy beer, cigs, porn, go to an r-rated movie, get credit cards or sign contracts have to verify their age and no one complains about that.