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THANKS APPLE - I am done here....

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Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Every SCSI bus needs to be terminated at both sides so that the SCSI signals know when to stop and turn around, otherwise they just go out the end of the SCSI bus and disappear.
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That's a good way of putting it. It's kind of like a loop. If there's nothing at the end of one set of wire to send the signal back down the other side the loop is broken. Is the disk still potentially readable without a terminator? Yes. Will it be reliable? Probably not.

If you don't know what a terminator is then I recommend reading up on it and you probably need to get one so that you can terminate that drive you have. It's the most likely reason it's not being recognized at startup.
 
Originally posted by revenuee
I'm gonna have to say that it should be done properly because i didn't install it, the tech at my apple dedicated (no windows - actually windows users are discriminated against there) reseller did the inital set up and i've only done the software upgrades, unless termination is done software side. either way, if it is hardware the only thing i touched was installed more RAM, nothing else was disconnected or touched...
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If they installed it then I would be taking it back and complaining. Even if it use to work with OS9. OSX tends to be much more strict about standards. This is a good thing though because that's why it's much more reliable. It forces people to do things right rather than half shod.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
If they installed it then I would be taking it back and complaining.
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but it worked fine until i updated to OS 10... i didn't have this problem under OS 9.. which is the system they set up
 
Originally posted by revenuee
but it worked fine until i updated to OS 10... i didn't have this problem under OS 9.. which is the system they set up
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It shouldn't matter. In my opinion if there is the potential for a hardware incompatibility due to there installation it should be remedied by them no matter whether or not it worked in OS 9 it should still work in OS X. If it's not hardware maybe they will be able to explain why it doesn't work in X or even fix it.
 
HUMMM.....

First , I haven't got an answer to my copy - paste question with Mac so far... how it works?

Secondly , what happens if you have to reinstall your OS. With Windows you can always go to command mode (very familiar and comfortable for me as I started my computing with MS-DOS 3.1 and I found it VERYVERY stable after fighting with windows so I found myself playing with that old thing half the day !) but what do you do with a Mac ?!?

:confused:
 
Originally posted by Stojamow
HUMMM.....

First , I haven't got an answer to my copy - paste question with Mac so far... how it works?

Secondly , what happens if you have to reinstall your OS. With Windows you can always go to command mode (very familiar and comfortable for me as I started my computing with MS-DOS 3.1 and I found it VERYVERY stable after fighting with windows so I found myself playing with that old thing half the day !) but what do you do with a Mac ?!?

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I don't understand what you mean by copy and paste

and in regards to reinstalling OS... you just put the install CD into the optical Drive, restart and HOLD "C" that makes it start up from the CD, and then you just follow the instructions on screen.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
It shouldn't matter. In my opinion if there is the potential for a hardware incompatibility due to there installation it should be remedied by them no matter whether or not it worked in OS 9 it should still work in OS X. If it's not hardware maybe they will be able to explain why it doesn't work in X or even fix it.
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well orange micro doesn't make firmware updates for the 940UW card under OS 10... the way i had to do it was to go to the Chip manufacture Advansys, update the drivers for the chip directly... this was the advice of orange micro, with a disclaimer that they don't really know if it will work, and they can't do anything about it if it doesn't

The reseller has no responsibility to make it work, unless i took the machine directly to them and had them update the OS for me... then it would be their problem.
 
Originally posted by revenuee
...............The reseller has no responsibility to make it work, unless i took the machine directly to them and had them update the OS for me... then it would be their problem.
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Agreed but if they were a respectable place they would at least try.

Sounds like you already know the problem then. Maybe you just need to get yourself a new SCSI board that you know will work under OSX.


I'm not sure what you need to know about copy/paste. It's quite simple select what you want to copy be it a file or some text and either go to the edit menu and select copy or type Apple-C to paste it's Apple-X or go to them edit menu and chose paste.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
Agreed but if they were a respectable place they would at least try.

Sounds like you already know the problem then. Maybe you just need to get yourself a new SCSI board that you know will work under OSX.
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well i went down to my reseller and they gave me the same website the Orange Micro did, to check if the drivers work...

It works, but
Now i can't figure out how to get the drivers to keep working after a second restart... i mean i have a work around,
but i don't feel i should have to

i don't really know if want to invest money into a new SCSI card, sure the set up is inconvenient, but i need to budget... i'm torn between upgrading the processor, buying more ram, getting a new video card and second monitor, waiting for a G5 laptop, buying a new SLR (digital) body, buying some lenses for my current SLR ,or buying a new 3CCD DV cam vs the single CCD i have now.. LOL .. so much to buy, so little money
 
Originally posted by revenuee
well i went down to my reseller and they gave me the same website the Orange Micro did, to check if the drivers work...

It works, but
Now i can't figure out how to get the drivers to keep working after a second restart... i mean i have a work around,
but i don't feel i should have to

i don't really know if want to invest money into a new SCSI card, sure the set up is inconvenient, but i need to budget... i'm torn between upgrading the processor, buying more ram, getting a new video card and second monitor, waiting for a G5 laptop, buying a new SLR (digital) body, buying some lenses for my current SLR ,or buying a new 3CCD DV cam vs the single CCD i have now.. LOL .. so much to buy, so little money
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I understand. Though the one thing you have there that can upgrade with you is a SCSI drive and SCSI card. Everything else you listed computer wise would be vastly improved simply by buying a newer computer be it used or new. I would save my money on the computer and just buy a new or newer one when your ready. The overall system will be so vastly improved you will not believe it.
 
FOR REVENUEE:

Thanks for trying to help me. Copy + Paste is one very very handy function in Windoze world. We can put it this way: you can fastly and quickly move&capture almost anything to almost anywhere.

Reinstalling... humm... how about if I want to empty my HD before installing or does the installing program offer the option ?!?
 
Originally posted by Stojamow
FOR REVENUEE:

Thanks for trying to help me. Copy + Paste is one very very handy function in Windoze world. We can put it this way: you can fastly and quickly move&capture almost anything to almost anywhere.

Reinstalling... humm... how about if I want to empty my HD before installing or does the installing program offer the option ?!?
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you can copy + paste to your hearts desire on a mac, the short cuts are alittle different

apple + c vs. ctrl + c and

or you can control click and get the menu, or you if you have a double button mouse just right click to get the menu, or click edit in the top bar and then get copy, go to where you want to go, click edit in the top bar and select paste

is that what you were looking for?

in regards to reinstall.. the CD gives you the option to ERASE then install, which will clear the drive then reinstall the OS, or you can just restore, where it keeps everything, just reinstalls the original files,

there is a third option, but i don't remember what it is off the top of my head, i never use it
 
Re: THANKS APPLE - I am done here....

Originally posted by Stojamow
Because of the upgrade they provided to us I am not going to switch. I need my laptop now - not next year

= I just posted my order to Dell (M60 Notebook)
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One word response? Nah, try one key: 'Dell-ete.'

Dellfinitively never ceases to amaze just how many Winteliacs troll around in MacRumors forums.. Aluminum-envy perhaps? Funnier still is how many actually try these fairly vague, imprecise and technically-challenged attacks on Apple's product offerings.. Maybe they should find another venue for taking out their Micro$oft-caused frustrations in life? I especially love it when they try to parade themselves as 'concerned' or 'ex'-Apple fans who think Apple has missed the ball, Apple is behind, Apple is crushed by the latest and greatest Dell wanna-be-Apple clone. Well, let's add that really tired old mantra that Apple is about to go bankrupt to the pile. LOL! Not last time I looked at their liquid-cash warchest (!) Companies in danger of flopping just don't buy up 4 other companies in the current year.

It's not even relevant to compare last-year's Apple desktop to a current Dell luggable since the only dual g4s Apple has ever had (for SALE) were desktops. The dual mentioned wasn't even the fastest g4 Apple had. They are not even sold anymore except as a custom-built model with an older style motherboard (FireWire-A) just to prove the point. If you're gonna compare top Dell with top Apple, you need to compare today's G5s, not yesterday's G4s. Apple's release of G4 to consumer line notebooks proves that Apple has a G5 notebook ready. Apple always defines consumer from professional by a jump in processing power. In this case, they have opted to go ahead and invigorate their lower-end sales by giving G4s over to iBooks while they wait a few months for IBM to put out the lower-power G5 for laptops. It's all on IBM at this point, but 6 months is not a long wait at all for a generational processor jump to make it from desktops to notebooks. It's not a question of if -- nor when. IBM is on schedule, so is Apple.

I have a better question for the Dell "Dude." What about Microsoft not having any new versions of Windows for 2 more years! :p No scheduled release date even!! As of yesterday, Mac OS 10.3 came out... and by the time Windows 200XYZ finally squeezes out of Redmonds beurocracy, Mac OS will be yet another 2 point releases ahead.. Putting it fully 3 OS upgrades and two years behind Apple.

Windows Longhorn = AFAICT Vaporware.. And by the time a new version of Windows really does exist, it's existance will be completely pointless except for those mundane Microslop fans who have held onto this burning hope for finally a reliable and secure version of Windows that's compatible with all their previous anchientware. Have fun waiting.. I'll be using a reliable and secure OS on my Mac the whole time.. getting work done without the headaches, downtime, and hassels of Windows.

I should go into Dell forums and whine that it's Dell's fault for having such a lame entropy-based OS to put on their 'superior' (yet b'ugly) hardware. It will still be a security liability as was 98 as is XP. "Come on in..the virus zoo is open for biz! Use our office applications to trash your drive remotely. View a web page--get a free porn virus! All the fun of previous versions of Windoze and more!"

= I have placed my advanced order for the Aluminum PowerBook G5. After all, I wouldn't want to compromise on a backwards, bug-plagued OS just to satisfy my megahertz complex. I'll miss all those headaches. -GLADLY. And I have found a secure, consistantly updated, reliable, and reasonably backwards compatible OS today.. with OS 10.3 on my very nice satin paintless-finished G4 Alumibook.
 
REVENUEE:

Thank you very much for your help. That's what I was looking for...

Gap closed again !


TO Xapplimatic:

It is funny when people like you come to forum. You do not read the thread - perhaps because it is too long - but the message at the beginning of this threat is that I was very disappointed at the moment when I saw the details of the new albook series.

Even as I was able to analyze the rumors quite realistically as one of you points out I still hoped to see G5 soooo much in PB's during the time.

I later on apologised my behaviour and I am still looking for a Mac.

I do understand that you might have regularly PC guys visiting this forum and telling you that your computer is crap which is very annoying - isn't it?

But if you keep replying to people who you consider to be trolls you just feed them and help them carrying on to abuse you...

:)
 
Originally posted by Stojamow
REVENUEE:

Thank you very much for your help. That's what I was looking for...

Gap closed again !
:)
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-Stojamow

you will find that the keyboard shortcuts on the Mac are a bit more robust than on Windows. The key semantic difference is that instead of using cntrl-"*", it's cmd, (or Apple symbol).

So the basics are still there. cmd-Z=Undo, cmd-X=Cut, cmd-c=Copy, cmd-v=Paste, cmd-S=Save, cmd-P=Print.

But Apple was the originator of these keyboard shortcuts, and one of the key evidences at the patent infringement trial in the mate '80's.

As a result of being the originators of this particular paradigm of keyboard shortcuts, there are far more, cmd-Q=Quit, cmd-W=Close Window.

And even more when you throw Option and Shift into the mix.
 
HUMM...

I though this will be past but it is not...

I bought the latest MACWORLD UK edition today where the latest powerbook series were reviewed and found myself with the old issue again. Should I go for 15" or 17" powerbook?

15" is more handy as it comes to the size of the case etc. but 17" will rock when you do video editing etc. I cannot see myself editing on the planes etc. so there is a real option to go for 17" and I read from some thread in this forum that 17" fits perfectly to the tray in aeroplane.

HUMMM.....

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15 vs. 17

First, most of the copy, paste, etc. functions worked only on the Mac originally, so just click on the edit tab on any program and it will show you the keyboard shotcuts. They're mostly the same as Windows with the Apple key standing in for ctrl.

As for the 15 vs. 17 option, the 15 IMHO offers the best value in weight, battery life and price compared to the 17. The 17 is very large, too large to use comfortably in many situations, the battery life isn't very good, and it weighs almost a pound more. Meanwhile, you could jam more memory in the 15 and get all the goodies and have a laptop you actually use on your lap.
I have one of the 15" TiBooks and it's absolutely the best computer I've ever owned.
 
Re: Re: THANKS APPLE - I am done here....

Originally posted by Kiwi-Todd
Well bye bye.... I am a full time video pro and I measure performance and speed over the course of a day not in sporadic spurts.

What does this mean? -

I will usually go for up to three days of editing on my 17"PB and FCP without ever needing to close even the program.

I literally pulled my PB out of the box, installed FCP and was capturing in less than one hour.

I can truly multitask - run my business while editing, rendering or encoding.

I know there are faster PCs out there but I just don't care a hoot as every pro-sumer Wintel box I have edited on has been a nightmare to use!

Good luck to you in Dell Hell - keep us posted!!
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I heard that. I am a full time editor and the only time I ever touch a pc is to check email in the post production office. Once in a while I use Avid MC on Windows 2000, if I'm working in house and that's what they use. It's ok, but seriously, use the Dell if you care about those benchmarks. But just do it, because you're going to convince few here to do the same.

TD
 
Re: 15 vs. 17

Originally posted by hulugu
First, most of the copy, paste, etc. functions worked only on the Mac originally, so just click on the edit tab on any program and it will show you the keyboard shotcuts. They're mostly the same as Windows with the Apple key standing in for ctrl.

As for the 15 vs. 17 option, the 15 IMHO offers the best value in weight, battery life and price compared to the 17. The 17 is very large, too large to use comfortably in many situations, the battery life isn't very good, and it weighs almost a pound more. Meanwhile, you could jam more memory in the 15 and get all the goodies and have a laptop you actually use on your lap.
I have one of the 15" TiBooks and it's absolutely the best computer I've ever owned.
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For the price difference between the 15 and the 17 you can get yourself a real nice professional color correct 19" or larger CRT monitor. The 19" monitor alone will have a much higher resolution then the 17" on top of the fact that you can do video spanning with the 15" and use the 15" screen and the external monitor as one big desktop.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
The next question is if you really want a CRT. I don't want to start a CRT vs. LCD debate, but LCD's are the wave of the future here.
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For someone needing color accuracy and vast amount of screen real-estate (read resolution) the tried true and definitely much more mature CRT technology is still the way to go. Also for gamers the CRT is still the way to go. On top of all that you can get a higher resolution professional level color accuracy CRT for 1/4 the price of an equal LCD.

The only advantage of the LCD is desk space and power consumption and a static image for text based apps.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
For someone needing color accuracy and vast amount of screen real-estate (read resolution) the tried true and definitely much more mature CRT technology is still the way to go. Also for gamers the CRT is still the way to go. On top of all that you can get a higher resolution professional level color accuracy CRT for 1/4 the price of an equal LCD.

The only advantage of the LCD is desk space and power consumption and a static image for text based apps.
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Sharpness and brightness! Pssh.
 
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