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Originally posted by revenuee

has anyone heard Apple brag about how good its tech support is? No.
Why? because no one ever needs to call it, our computers just work.


Do you have any idea how foolishly naive you sound?
 
Originally posted by revenuee
4 years without an apple tech call - i speak from my own experience

Your post sounded more like generalalisation to me...

I use both platforms, windows on different machines for over 10 years, with now an athlon XP2600.
and macs for over 8 years, now pb12".

Never had to call tech support for neither of those platforms. (could usually solve occuring problems myself)
But I do know a lot of people who had major problems also on both platforms that did call tech support.
 
Originally posted by ilben77
Your post sounded more like generalalisation to me...

I use both platforms, windows on different machines for over 10 years, with now an athlon XP2600.
and macs for over 8 years, now pb12".

Never had to call tech support for neither of those platforms. (could usually solve occuring problems myself)
But I do know a lot of people who had major problems also on both platforms that did call tech support.

Yeah, I've used and OWNED 5 or 6 of both over the last 10 years and worked for a hospital in IS that had 3000 pcs, Peecees do have more problems, tech call or no tech calls.
Anyone who trys to sell the line that macs and peecees are the same now is either smoking something(will you share?:cool: )
and/or know more about peecees that I will ever want to know.
Generalizations are the rule not the exception, which is the case when a mac goes bad:-(
I have 2 7500's from 95' that I still use, the pc's from that period are useless.
daniel
 
Originally posted by revenuee
4 years without an apple tech call - i speak from my own experience

I believe that it all depends on the level of your expertise. Personally, I run into problems and have called Apple. It helps me to have one on one support. Easier for me to verbalize a problem.
 
Originally posted by wdlove
I believe that it all depends on the level of your expertise. Personally, I run into problems and have called Apple. It helps me to have one on one support. Easier for me to verbalize a problem.

I have had no problems to report - i've only called my reseller about a third party devices that had some trouble, but thats third party
 
Originally posted by ABG
...but in a fit of enthusiam bought Adobe Premier 6.0. I don't need both - which would be the best one to keep?

-ABG

Well, one snippet of my experience with Premier has been that even when they made a Mac native version (5), it could have trouble identifying attached hardware like drives and decks.

It is this reason I moved to FCP.

Now without a Mac Premier, I'm very happy with it.

Now, of course this was on a Mac, that should say nothing to the XP version of 6, but if past Premier performance meets current XP performance, that says that the situation may not have improved...
 
Originally posted by revenuee
I use FCP and i edit DV, i've read the FCE is just FCP without support for HD and SD so i think you should be fine with FCE

I used premiere on PC, but i found that it didn't like how it worked in my mac

I would stick with FCE personally, but if you already have both, try them out - only you can decide what works better for you

FCE is DV only, but it also limited keyframing, no batch capture/loging, and other things that casual users/hobbiests probably don't need.

Between Premiere 6 and FCE I can't comment because I've never used FCE so I don't know all the handicaps it has or what you . But between FCP and Premiere 6 it's FCP hands down.


Lethal
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
FCE is DV only, but it also limited keyframing, no batch capture/loging, and other things that casual users/hobbiests probably don't need.

Between Premiere 6 and FCE I can't comment because I've never used FCE so I don't know all the handicaps it has or what you . But between FCP and Premiere 6 it's FCP hands down.


Lethal

No Batch capture?

bummer, thats definatly a feature i like using in FCP, aspecially on projects with multiple source tapes.

Wait - so how does FCP, other then Price, help the events videographer - i do wedding video's and my workflow has spead up since i started using the batch capture - weird
 
Originally posted by ilben77
Your post sounded more like generalalisation to me...

I use both platforms, windows on different machines for over 10 years, with now an athlon XP2600.
and macs for over 8 years, now pb12".

Never had to call tech support for neither of those platforms. (could usually solve occuring problems myself)
But I do know a lot of people who had major problems also on both platforms that did call tech support.

I would also like to compare

That with the exeption of my SCSI hardware

I have stacks of unopened software that came with hardware i bought, because there was no need to install them inorder to get the hardware to work on my computer... Unlike on my PC where even after going through the install procedure, my hardware still wouldn't work.

You can call me naive all you want - but i have no patiance for my computer - i've got better things to do
 
Re: THANKS APPLE - I am done here....

Originally posted by Stojamow
Because of the upgrade they provided to us I am not going to switch. I need my laptop now - not next year

= I just posted my order to Dell (M60 Notebook)

It is very impressive piece of technology

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2003/09_sep/reviews/cw_dellm60.htm

and please note that the MAC has a G4 1.25ghzDUAL prosessor and it is still left heavily behind

I feel a bit sorry because I like the design but I cannot do compromises with the performance.

:(

All I can say is...
 
Originally posted by revenuee
You can call me naive all you want - but i have no patiance for my computer - i've got better things to do

-revenuee

I think you hit upon the single best reason most of us with multi-platform experience who prefer Macs, prefer Macs - no messing around.

It reminds me of an event that occurred just this week. One of the IT guys at the office was disparaging my 12PB. So I borrowed a two button scroll mouse.

I plugged it into my XPpro box, and it "found new hardware" and installed the drivers in typical fashion.

He nodded.

I then transferred the mouse to the Mac.

Nothing.

At first he was going to cast a dispersion, but before he could, I demonstrated that the mouse worked.

That was quite an epiphany for him. The Mac didn't even have to install drivers.

It's a minor thing to us Mac users, but to him, it was unbelievable.
 
Exactly patrick0brien

My hardware just has to work.

I've got other stuff that can go wrong, - under/over exposed film, poor audio recording, distortion on both image and sound, the list goes on

The computer is supposed to make fixing these problems easier, not create a slew of new problems

My PC wasn't doing that for me, it was creating more problems then fixing.
 
very well,

today my friend came by and we wanted to install networking to my computer for some purposes...

Things did not go to the plan. Actually we had to install the dfgsdlk ng~@~@@~"£!"£$!"£$! WINDOWS again... from the beginning yes...

Soo, my expectations are pretty high with OS X at the moment...
 
Originally posted by Stojamow
Soo, my expectations are pretty high with OS X at the moment...

-Stojamow

Welll, I hope you can knock them back a peg or two - nothing is perfect. And OS X cn frustrate a Windows user even when working properly due to the diffferences in GUI and operations.

So gird yourself - even a little bit.
 
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-Stojamow

Welll, I hope you can knock them back a peg or two - nothing is perfect. And OS X cn frustrate a Windows user even when working properly due to the diffferences in GUI and operations.

So gird yourself - even a little bit.

I have some major issues with OS X - i updated from OS 9.2 two weeks ago, and i'm having major issues with my SCSI hardware...
 
You really have no ideal what you are talking about!

Maybe I got lost some where but do you really know what you are talking about?

1) Do you know what speed Mac notebooks really have?

2) Have you really ever used a Mac?

I ask these because you must realize that there is no Mac note book with a double micro in it. Ask yourself a question why is adobe putting these products out if the Mac cannot handle them? One last thing do I believe you are a Troll YES YOU ARE!!!! At least get your facts right first before you post here..
 
Re: You really have no ideal what you are talking about!

Originally posted by stanmoonie
Maybe I got lost some where but do you really know what you are talking about?

1) Do you know what speed Mac notebooks really have?

2) Have you really ever used a Mac?

I ask these because you must realize that there is no Mac note book with a double micro in it. Ask yourself a question why is adobe putting these products out if the Mac cannot handle them? One last thing do I believe you are a Troll YES YOU ARE!!!! At least get your facts right first before you post here..

What are you even talking about?

Oh wait, that is what this thread is originaly about... LOL ... we've moved so far away from the topic.

LOL... no need to name call though.. thats what arn and eyelikeheart are here for... haha
 
Re: You really have no ideal what you are talking about!

Originally posted by stanmoonie
Maybe I got lost some where but do you really know what you are talking about?

1) Do you know what speed Mac notebooks really have?

2) Have you really ever used a Mac?

I ask these because you must realize that there is no Mac note book with a double micro in it. Ask yourself a question why is adobe putting these products out if the Mac cannot handle them? One last thing do I believe you are a Troll YES YOU ARE!!!! At least get your facts right first before you post here..

First don't pass judgment before reading the an entire thread.

Second if you think someones a Troll then DON'T FEED THEM!!!
 
b0th

Apple makes great computers, Dell makes great computers.

When are you guys gonna realize that there is no point in arguing over whether PCs or Macs are better?

No one is right, no one is wrong. Everyone looks stupid when they argue over stuff like this though.

Whateva.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
That's right, it's cosmically impossible for one brand of computer to be better than another.


Ya... your right, exept that macs are better... LOL

Thats right, i'm thick, your points went in one ear and out the other. HAHA


Joking aside : i find myself a constant victim of Wintel users telling me that i use an inferior product, and that i'm stupid for not switching back.

This forum is a refuge for me where i can talk to other that share my love for my machine.

However, i will say that my experience with PC ended at Win 98 so i have no idea if 2000, ME, or XP are really any good. So in reality i can only comment on what use to be, and not what is current
(longhorn? - what is that - a new animal?)

And i must say that my recent updating from OS 9 to OS 10 has been less the pleasing. I know that OS 10 is supposed to be more stable, but it has been driving me insane.
 
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