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THANKS APPLE - I am done here....

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I would like to say that the results were not bad after all. They did admit that the G5 is standing at the line with XEON's and they did recognize the potential of this machine on the whole as they write:

"applications need to be optimized for 64-bit computing to take full advantage of the architecture. "

When it comes to pricing G5 is about €6600 XEON is about €7600 with similar configurations. This means that G5 is about €1000 cheaper (1 € is about 1.1$ ...21st of september in 2003)

However, one thing nyou have to remember is that you can put 4 x 142 Gb HD's (10 000rpm) which gives you more capasity than G5 can offer through internal HD's as I have learned. But everybody do not need RAID and this is why I think Apple has made a good move.
 
Just want to let you know that I cancelled my order with DELL to get some extra time to think do I really need a laptop. :cool:
 
If you are getting a G5 for its power, I'd go for a cheaper 12" or maybe an iBook as a secondary if you want a laptop. Since you won't need an all-powerful laptop because of the G5, you can go for a cheaper model than the 15" would have been. That way it'd be easier to work with both your laptop and your desktop systems, too. You can even pick up a refurb or even an eBay one for an even cheaper solution...there are lots of possibilities. I just can't find it being too easy going back and forth between a Dell and a PowerMac with your data. Plus, a 12" would be a lot more portable than a Dell.
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
If you are getting a G5 for its power, I'd go for a cheaper 12" or maybe an iBook as a secondary if you want a laptop. Since you won't need an all-powerful laptop because of the G5, you can go for a cheaper model than the 15" would have been. That way it'd be easier to work with both your laptop and your desktop systems, too. You can even pick up a refurb or even an eBay one for an even cheaper solution...there are lots of possibilities. I just can't find it being too easy going back and forth between a Dell and a PowerMac with your data. Plus, a 12" would be a lot more portable than a Dell.
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I was thinking of doing this same thing, just getting the 12" powerbook which i think would be the minimum that you would want for video because of the G4. The more I use FCP4 the better deal I find it to be compared to avid express. Soundtrack and the other programs that come with fcp put it head and shoulders above AVid. I have protools but soundtrack is a very useful tool for audio.
Also AVid express can't do HD which now that there are low cost camcorders out that do HD I would think you'd would want to be able to edit it.
Mac addict has a shootout this month with express and FCP,life is good:)
daniel
 
Originally posted by legion
To be fair, you have to add AppleCare to the PB (and that still doesn't add up to on-site care the Dell has) and deduct the cost of the (2nd) CD-RW drive you added to the Dell. The DVD-R/RW in the Dell is also a CD-R/RW drive, so currently you have 2 optical drives. Also, about screen size, it appear the Dell has more pixels.

The Dell will still come out cheaper and a higher performer in raw speed (and that's w/o considering the killer graphics card) Also, since you're comparing it to the 17"PB, I'd say battery life is about the same (this wouldn't be the case if the Dell was compared to the old Ti which last longer)
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Yeah and to be fair we should factor in the Mac apps which are much better than the dells and allow you to go right to work. Next year the Mac will be worth more and the dell will be a doorstop.peace
daniel :D
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Avid's Website ;)
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Wow lots less than it was just a while ago but still a better comparison would be the avid powerpack for $1295 which still does not compare to everything you get with FCP4:D
Isn't avid partially owned by ms now?
If so I guess they can price stuff at whatever they want and kill the competition as ms has done in the past. I don't think the Federal lawsuit will slow them down much:eek:
daniel
 
Originally posted by etoiles
128MB NVIDIA Quadro FX Go700 graphics accelerator !

The Dell D50/D60 is one of the few 'serious' mobile 3D workstations out there. Quadro's are supposedly the best cards for 3D apps (speed AND stability), especially due to drivers that have been optimized for specific programs. They are not aimed at gaming, but they probably still kick any graphic card currently available for the Mac.

It is expensive, but I guess it must be worth it to some graphic pros on the go.

(not me)
;)
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well... here we are:

Quadro Fx 700 Go

ATI Mobility Radeon 9600

Based on specs, it seems that the 9600 has the upper hand here. The quadro is great, but not for gaming. it has driver optimizations soley made for professional graphics application aceleration. This means programs like AutoCAD, Maya and the rest would benefit from this card. However, the 9600 mobility has just a wee bit less power, but is currently the fastest mobility graphics chip out there, so you cannot really compare the two.
 
Originally posted by fourthtunz
I was thinking of doing this same thing, just getting the 12" powerbook which i think would be the minimum that you would want for video because of the G4. The more I use FCP4 the better deal I find it to be compared to avid express. Soundtrack and the other programs that come with fcp put it head and shoulders above Avid. I have protools but soundtrack is a very useful tool for audio.
Also AVid express can't do HD which now that there are low cost camcorders out that do HD I would think you'd would want to be able to edit it.
Mac addict has a shootout this month with express and FCP,life is good:)
daniel
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Both Avid and FCP are good. The reason I went for Avid is following

- Better Colour Correction
- Ability to edit uncompressed SD for £1300. To do that on FCP platform you have to buy Pinnacle Cinewave system(but you can upgrade that system to edit any HD when it comes cheaper than Avid)
- Avid Xpress Pro actually supports those low cost HD cameras like Panasonic's AG???? whatever...
- The soundtrack is nice, but in my case I do not need it and hey - if I want it later I can buy it as a separate application.
- The media management tool is still ahead of FCP's
- The RT engine of Avid is still better (but they are both working on it...)
- Crossplatform application.. if the PC's are faster next time or if I want a PC as a laptop I can run Avid in that computer as well so no need to learn new program...
-The system is FULLY REALTIME if you buy Mojo... which means that there is NO rendering boys...

However, as I said before the both programs are very good and it is a question of taste rather than question of the tool you get. Both of the programs are better than the other in different kind of editing and they both just simply rock !

:D
 
As Powerbook G5 said that buy a iBook.. it is a good idea, but the problem is that I need a PC to run my current software and because my editing program is Avid I do not believe that there is too much extra hazzle.

So, if I deside to go for G5 I am afraid that I still have a PC laptop next to this machine.
 
One more thing about FCP & AVID

In my opinion FCP is better in shorter videos loaded with effects and the ability to build the video with Canvas & timeline is very nice BUT AVID is better when cutting i.e. documentaries as I do.

This is just my humble opinion.
 
Just came to my mind that if I do following:

Upgrade my Avid to PRo £315
Buy Mojo £1300

Which makes £1615

PLUS

buy PB 1.25Ghz with 2Gb of RAM which is £3000

The Grand Total will be £4615

And if I buy a 2Ghz Dual G5 with 2Gb Ram + 20" Display it will come up to £4147

PLUS the Upgrade to Pro £315

And the Grand Total will be £4362

it is about £300 for G5 BUT then I have to buy a laptop as well PLUS the PB is already renderfree as PB has the Avid Mojo (assumed that you are cutting documentaries with reasonable amount of effects).

HUMM.... :confused:
 
to the very original post in this thread:
heh umm.. I hope you like it. I have a 1GHz eMac sitting here with a 2.8GHz Dell a few metres away and I've got to say, the eMac kills it. Speed isn't really comparable between OS's it seems to me because each aspect is different. Anyway, the PC is plagued with inconsistencies and usabilty flaws. Yes, OSX is still not perfect but also Yes, it kills XP as far as OS's go. There are so many issues in the PC - minor as they may be - that you could bathe in them in a bath that has an infinite depth. I mean really. But if you must.. as it seems.. by all means go ahead and try and enjoy the PC.
 
Originally posted by mmmdreg
to the very original post in this thread:
heh umm.. I hope you like it. I have a 1GHz eMac sitting here with a 2.8GHz Dell a few metres away and I've got to say, the eMac kills it. Speed isn't really comparable between OS's it seems to me because each aspect is different. Anyway, the PC is plagued with inconsistencies and usabilty flaws. Yes, OSX is still not perfect but also Yes, it kills XP as far as OS's go. There are so many issues in the PC - minor as they may be - that you could bathe in them in a bath that has an infinite depth. I mean really. But if you must.. as it seems.. by all means go ahead and try and enjoy the PC.
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AS you use both can give me more specific detail what makes Mac's OS so great compared to Windows in everyday life ?

As I do not have a lot of experience with Macs/OS they run I like to know what I will get if I go for Mac.
 
I was doing my daily shoppings when I found myself thinking of these two platforms + the processor issue in general.

I think women have a very good approach to these things. They do not ask how fast the computer is. They ask is it good to do your job with it.

We find ourselves debating about processor speeds etc. while we can preview about anything nowadays (at least I have been able to while doing my editing) . The question is that how long the final rendering takes and this question has something to do with craetivity but it is much more about the way we organize ourselves I think :rolleyes:
 
In that perspective, I have to go with the Mac hands-down. It works incredibly well and does what you want it to without any problem. It's rare that there is a problem, and when there is, there is usually an easy and quick solution. I just find the systems well designed, the OS and software well integrated, and the user experience must nicer.
 
you should really stop double posting. Anyway, it's about the user experience. Yes some people are diehard windows addicts just like some of us swear by macs and linux boxes. You're on a mac forum so obviously you're going to get opinions geared towards them. Go to a PC forum and you'd get the opposite. My friends who use debian and slackware linux distro's think OSX is better than Windows generally. Anyway, the point is that, no matter what we say, it's up to in the end.

I've never done so but I think you should probably rent a Mac for a week and see if you connect with it. If not, got the PC. I'm sure you'll have it doing exactly what you want. I can adapt to things fairly easily and after installing OSX for the first time, after about 2 hours I was hooked and now I know.. quite a lot (to be modest :p). I've gone around using linux - in various forms - as well as windows on a regular basis and to me personally, it just seems that OSX is the best OS.

And yes I do admit that <OSX wasn't too flash hot. The fact was I just liked the way it operated. Now I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole but again, you still have a heap of people out there using it, swearing by it, etc etc etc. So.. go try out a Mac and get one if you like it, and get a PC if you don't. Simple :D
 
I have actually tried my frieds iMac. The funny thing was that everything I wanted to find I was able to find in seconds. Even when I wanted to find out what was that Mac made of it took less than a minute figure it out and I have to admit that my flatmate bought a used PC laptop about a month ago and when I tried to find out what it was made of it was not easy (he was not entire sure & this is his first computer ever) - and I have to say that at the end of that day the way I tried and though I should be able to do it - well, I wasn't :mad:

When it comes to the question of posting to Mac forum - yes I know that you will recommend a Mac over a PC and that's the whole point: You tell me why it is sooo great and you are the only people who can tell it - WHY? - PC guys don't do OS X because they are afraid that they could get hooked :D
 
I know I do doublepost again but I think this makes my messages more clear...

So I just visited http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1274138,00.asp again.

I just actually realized that Dual G4 1.42 won DUAL XEON 3.06Ghz in three tests out of six. This should have something to tell when it comes to the question of performance.

According to that test which I trust very much the performance of the new Apple laptops cannot really stay far away from the PC laptops. The real question is rather that are the programs optimized for the processor. In this case it seems to me that Sorenson & Avid have done a good job because as you can see even G4 leaves XEON far behind !!!

(if you scroll down on the PC Magazine's page there is a link at the end of the 2nd chapter called: "see performance table")

:cool:
 
>>I have to go with the Mac hands-down<<

No kidding. Tried to put my office checkbook program on my son's old desktop, thought it would be faster than using VPC and Win 2k.

It was tons easier getting the program on the Mac.

The old pc running win 98 wouldn't install certain items. Gave me a problem when I tried to set up the capability to access my Public iDisk folder, wouldn't read my USB reader. It was a total pain!!! With the Mac, you plug it in, and more times than not, it just works and no frustration and no bad words coming out of my mouth<g>. My wife always knows when I'm working with the Mac vs the PC!!!

Frank
 
That's funny, I have had the same experience. There are some older Windows/PC-DOS games I still play that just plain run as soon as I install them on my Mac under VPC, but they refuse to even open under our Dell with XP. It's so odd that a Mac could literally run PC programs easier than a PC can, but it is known to happen.
 
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