THANKS APPLE - I am done here....

[BenWakin]

Re: Trolling ad

Originally posted by hulugu
That wasn't a review, it was a infomercial. Total astroturf, but just a note as well:

Dell Apple 15" PB

128mb Nvidia FX 64mb ATI 9600


So these are comparable machines, the memory is the same, the video card in the Dell is debatably better, but the PB offers better wireless, firewire 4 & 8, lighted keyboard and more HD space.

I beg to differ on the video card. ATI is trampling the market right now due to the recent benchmarks on Half-Life 2. Overall the technology in the ATI cards are better even though nVidia has the support of a lot of companies in the gaming industry.

 

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by iPC
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Avid vs FCP - considering that National Geographic does everything on Avid now...

Yes Avid is the big dog in video as Protools is for audio. These are both owned by avid and started out as hardware and software packages and then due to competition they have put out software only versions.
The big debate is whether the software only solutions will soon kill off the bigdogs?
I do more audio than video so I use Protools HD for audio and FCP for video.
Fcp kicks but on the current version of xpress,( in my opinion) right now and is also used by big playas, where it will stop nobody knows
daniel

 

[actionslacks]

Originally posted by iGAV
On Dual machines, you can pull a little trick with After Effects and the After Effects Render engine... for a serious performance (2x) speed increase..

What's the trick?

 

[uae]

Fcp kicks but on the current version of xpress,( in my opinion) right now and is also used by big playas, where it will stop nobody knows
daniel

I disagree. If one needs to have interopability with the entire Avid line then there is no beating Avid Xpress. Take a spin on Avid Xpress Pro w/Mojo. That is a GREAT offline system. (If your material is on DV it is a GREAT online system fo DV)

I cut a project last week without hardly any rendering. The really neat thing with Avid Xpress Pro with Mojo is the ability to mix resolutions in the timeline. For example I had DV footage with uncompressed titles and composites all in full res real time. Pretty neat.

But I really don't want to start a FCP vs Avid war here. Nor a Mac vs PC war. (The above Avid Xpress Pro was on a Mac)

The thing that really has me drooling about this rev of FCP is Soundtrack. I may have to get that.

 

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by uae
I disagree. If one needs to have interopability with the entire Avid line then there is no beating Avid Xpress. Take a spin on Avid Xpress Pro w/Mojo. That is a GREAT offline system. (If your material is on DV it is a GREAT online system fo DV)
The thing that really has me drooling about this rev of FCP is Soundtrack. I may have to get that.

I have never had to export omf to avid so I don't know how well it works but I don't need avid I have fcp
Well if you get mojo and express pro then you are talking 3 times the money of fcp
If I really need speed I would get the dual G5 which I would think get you enough speed?
Yeah soundtrack is Apples version of acid pro which along with fcp is a great deal but go check the other great apps included with final cut, its one of the only upgrades I didn't mind paying for
I post the link but you know apple.com
p.s. does mojo work with the G5 yet? Protools doesn't and probably won't for a while
daniel

 

[Stojamow]

I was actually able to get my hands on to the 1.25Ghz PB here in London West End. It is clearly a slightly thicker than TiBook but it is just so beautiful machine to look and so are the G5 Powermac's and Formac's displays already match with the colour.

 

[uae]

Yes. Xpress Pro and Mojo are qualified for the G5.

 

[Stojamow]

However, the original question remains unsolved....

Do I buy a Powerbook or should I go to Dell?!?

According to the people who have been dicussing in this thread Apple has better OS, but Dell is faster if I have got it right.

This is something I have to solve.

 

[Squire]

Powerbook.

I've used PCs for a few years on and off (about 10) but it never ceases to amaze me when the computer just does something that I don't really want it to do. And my reaction has gone from a "What the hell is wrong with this thing!" to more of a "Well, I guess I'll try CTRL+ALT+DEL again."

My Mac, on the other hand, just elevates my computing experience (in the very simplest sense) to a new level. I "play" on my Mac but if I ever had to do real work on it, I'm sure I'd be a lot more productive than on a Wintel machine.

The experience is just better.

Squire

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by Stojamow
However, the original question remains unsolved....

Do I buy a Powerbook or should I go to Dell?!?

According to the people who have been dicussing in this thread Apple has better OS, but Dell is faster if I have got it right.

This is something I have to solve.

-Stojamow

My recommendation is the Mac for what you want to do with it. It's reliability is key. Speed is nothing without it.

 

[Stojamow]

Hummm......

Holidays from net makes good - it gives you time to think

That's something I have been thinking about. Whether you go for PC or Mac the main issue is the same: pro desktops are faster.
If you want a laptop, you have to remind yourself that the speed cannot be the main issue you're looking for. Rather the flexibility the laptop has to offer.

I have a funny feeling that I might have an Apple on my desk at the end of the month.

 

[mmmdreg]

Well that's all fine and dandy now ain't it?

 

[yamabushi]

Stojamow - Where do you plan to perform most of your work? If you think that you will be happy with one location for most of your Avid/FCP work the Dual G5 will work great. If you decide you need more than half a terabyte of storage, an external RAID 5 box or Firewire HD is easy to add.

It's hard to know whether or not you would really prefer working on a Mac until you have done it for a while. A few people who try Macs will still prefer Windows.

I have done amateur video work on PC, Mac and Amiga. I now prefer Mac but ten years ago preferred Amiga. PC is okay and will do the job. However for some reason, working on a Mac just doesn't seem like work.

 

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by yamabushi

I have done amateur video work on PC, Mac and Amiga. I now prefer Mac but ten years ago preferred Amiga. PC is okay and will do the job. However for some reason, working on a Mac just doesn't seem like work.

Yeah the videotoaster on the Amiga rocked! But it was just a pass through device and front end for machine control,but hey DV wasn't around then and 40 megabyte harddrives were huge and 16 meg of ram were rockin!
Look what you can do on a Mac now:
http://www.apple.com/pro/film/coen/
peace

 

[yamabushi]

Very nice, but I won't watch it. I live in Minnesota and still have not forgiven the Coen brothers for Fargo.

 

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by yamabushi
Very nice, but I won't watch it. I live in Minnesota and still have not forgiven the Coen brothers for Fargo.

Ya,sure Cumon, that was a great movie
We go through the same thing when hollywierd tries to do a Maine accent
Ayuh, they're wicked bad
peaece
daniel

 

[Stojamow]

TO YAMABUSHI:

I am afraid that I will carry my edit between countys, countries and even continents.... which means that I go for a laptop after all because it makes life that much easier, and if needed I can always "online" the project to better system when finishing it up.

I was thinking about the Dual G5 but then realized that it does not meet the requirements of flexibility I have to place to my edit.

 

[Stojamow]

BTW: Have I understood right if I say that if I update the OS of Powerbook G4 1.25Ghz to Panther it will support DVD-RW ?!?

 

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by Stojamow
BTW: Have I understood right if I say that if I update the OS of Powerbook G4 1.25Ghz to Panther it will support DVD-RW ?!?

-Stojamow

Well, if you have a superdrive now, the answer is yes - supposedly.

 

[stefman]

Originally posted by Stojamow
BTW: Have I understood right if I say that if I update the OS of Powerbook G4 1.25Ghz to Panther it will support DVD-RW ?!?

I'm using DVD-RW on my rev. A FP iMac under 10.2.8 for backups.

As a mater of fact, I'm using a DVD-RW right now to do a backup to prepare for the arrival of my new 15" PB tomorrow

So as far as I'm concerned, it's even supported under Jaguar.

 

[Stojamow]

That is good news. Thank you very much !

One gap closed.

I also wonder how to get Copy+Paste on Mac

There is also some bad news: I visited my home country and tried to find the local macworld magazine ... the magazine was discontinued. Even during the time I did not though seriously to buy a Mac by myself there was so much very usable information about computers, software and about "creative working" in general. Very good tips and advice.

 

[ABG]

Great thread! I am a bit worried that anytime someone says something other than "Mac's are great" there is a lot of finger pointing and shouting of "troll". Hopefully I'll avoid that - I've ordered my first Mac - PB 15" G4 etc, having just taken delivery last week of a Samsung X10 14" 1.6Mhz Centrino machine which my wife will use.

The buying decision was basically that I have always wanted a Mac - ever since I saw one using PageMaker to do DTP work in 1986! I've used machines such as Sinclair Spectrum, Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, and PC's from a 386 SX16 to my current desktop Athlon. I've just got fed up with things not always working as they should on Pcs. Microsoft have one hell of a task - to make sure almost anything (software / hardware) that comes out for a PC will work on their OS. It just makes more sense that one company controls the hardware and the software (e.g. Apple).

I also have a question on DV editing software which I'd welcome comments on - I have got FCE bundled with the powerbook, but in a fit of enthusiam bought Adobe Premier 6.0. I don't need both - which would be the best one to keep?

BTW perhaps peope who type MAC are just shouting it out?

 

[Stojamow]

TO ABG

I think you spoke t he truth

+ the main reason going to Mac is probably the same than yours. Curiosity for the new things. That's how I read your message ...

To your question: I hate to say this: it depends....

If you are absolutely sure that you do not return to PC - keep FCE which can be upgraded to FCP . If you might return to PC you will have a tough desicion between these two.

FCE can grow to FCP4 and provide very dedicated editing tools while the latest version of Premier is not supported on the Mac platform and according t o Adobe this will be the case from now on....

But at the end of the day I like to say that it is not too hard to learn the other one later on if needed. In your case I would like give them a try and keep the one which works better for me.

 

[ABG]

Originally posted by Stojamow
the main reason going to Mac is probably the same than yours. Curiosity for the new things. That's how I read your message ...

Thanks for the comments - you are right. I have a feeling that the Powerbook will work out better than a PC laptop, but until I've tried it I won't know for sure.

I'm confident the powerbook will keep it's resale value better, but mostly I just want a change. And being a typical marketing person I love the design - and the design ethic (not having to become an IT expert just to make it all work)

As for the editing software your suggestion is an approach which makes sense (and I didn't know that Premier was no longer going to be developed for the Mac). I'd love to move our main PC to a G5 with 23" screen eventually (who wouldn't!) - so for the meantime I'll be both a Mac and PC user

 

[revenuee]

Originally posted by ABG


I also have a question on DV editing software which I'd welcome comments on - I have got FCE bundled with the powerbook, but in a fit of enthusiam bought Adobe Premier 6.0. I don't need both - which would be the best one to keep?

BTW perhaps peope who type MAC are just shouting it out?

I use FCP and i edit DV, i've read the FCE is just FCP without support for HD and SD so i think you should be fine with FCE

I used premiere on PC, but i found that it didn't like how it worked in my mac

I would stick with FCE personally, but if you already have both, try them out - only you can decide what works better for you