patrick0brien
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You realize, of course, you suck. 😀
Additionally, you realize, you must buy it at that price out of principal right?
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-ZildjianKX
You realize, of course, you suck. 😀
Additionally, you realize, you must buy it at that price out of principal right?
Someone was laughing about editing video on a PC...
It's not that laughable. A dual Xeon running Xpress Pro is an extremley formidable editor...
This may change when the dual G5 comes out...
But it is a fact that you will get way more realtime streams on a PC right now using Avid than you will with a Mac G4.
The G5 might change that...but the dual hasn't hit the streets yet.
No flaming...I am an Avid Mac person.
It's not that laughable. A dual Xeon running Xpress Pro is an extremley formidable editor...
This may change when the dual G5 comes out...
But it is a fact that you will get way more realtime streams on a PC right now using Avid than you will with a Mac G4.
The G5 might change that...but the dual hasn't hit the streets yet.
No flaming...I am an Avid Mac person.
One more thing...I cut a project last week on an Avid Xpress Pro with Mojo on a dual gig G4 without rendering a single thing - outputting full res DV with uncompressed titles to tape and everything.
Gotta love it.
Gotta love it.
patrick0brien
macrumors 68040
ZildjianKX
macrumors 68000
Hehe, no kidding... not to mention DVD Studio Pro 2 for $150... hell of a deal. Not sure if I can afford anything after the G5 though... sucks to be poor.
patrick0brien
macrumors 68040
After playing with DVD Studio Pro and Soundtrack at the Apple store...I REALLY WANT THEM. 🙂
Toys!!!
Toys!!!
I'm in the same boat as you, ZildjianKX. I used my whole semester's financial aid loan to order a dual G5, and I don't have any money left for fun stuff to put into it! On a side note, to all you guys looking for good deals on FCP and other Apple apps, you guys should befriend a college student and ask them to buy it at their bookstore for you! At my school (San Francisco State), Final Cut 4 is only about $300. It supposed to be for educational use only, but......
hulugu
macrumors 68000
Trolling ad
That wasn't a review, it was a infomercial. Total astroturf, but just a note as well:
Dell Apple 15" PB
1.7Ghz M 1.25 Ghz G4
60BG @7200 80 @5400
128mb Nvidia FX 64mb ATI 9600
USB 2.0 USB 2.0
Firewire Firewire 4 & 8
I assume wireless (b?) APX (g)
4925 3924
So these are comparable machines, the memory is the same, the video card in the Dell is debatably better, but the PB offers better wireless, firewire 4 & 8, lighted keyboard and more HD space. And it's almost 100 dollars cheaper. WTF!
But, whatever go buy your Dell, I hope it doesn't suck, and try not to get a virus.
That wasn't a review, it was a infomercial. Total astroturf, but just a note as well:
Dell Apple 15" PB
1.7Ghz M 1.25 Ghz G4
60BG @7200 80 @5400
128mb Nvidia FX 64mb ATI 9600
USB 2.0 USB 2.0
Firewire Firewire 4 & 8
I assume wireless (b?) APX (g)
4925 3924
So these are comparable machines, the memory is the same, the video card in the Dell is debatably better, but the PB offers better wireless, firewire 4 & 8, lighted keyboard and more HD space. And it's almost 100 dollars cheaper. WTF!
But, whatever go buy your Dell, I hope it doesn't suck, and try not to get a virus.
That # is for encoding video. (Exporting Quicktimes and such)
In terms of realtime streams...the Mac G4 Avids are being beaten by PC Avids. (In Xpress Pro and Adrenaline)
For example, the HP dual 3gig Avid Adrenaline can do 5-8 streams of full quality uncompressed video in realtime. While the 1.42 dual gig G4 has to be in "Draft" mode to get the same results.
This has to do with bus speeds as well. I am 100% positive that the dual G5 will give the Xeon at least a good run for it's money if not a whooping when it becomes readily available.
In terms of realtime streams...the Mac G4 Avids are being beaten by PC Avids. (In Xpress Pro and Adrenaline)
For example, the HP dual 3gig Avid Adrenaline can do 5-8 streams of full quality uncompressed video in realtime. While the 1.42 dual gig G4 has to be in "Draft" mode to get the same results.
This has to do with bus speeds as well. I am 100% positive that the dual G5 will give the Xeon at least a good run for it's money if not a whooping when it becomes readily available.
fourthtunz
macrumors 68000
This is not a surprise is it, seeing as how ms owns part of avid? Final cut runs very fast on the Mac has better features even than the more expensive xpress pro and kicks its @ss in audio expecially now with soundtrack.
The G5 only makes things better. windows users should thank apple for driving down the cost of xpress😀
daniel
Oh please Microsoft does not own part of Avid.
The Microsoftness has nothing to do with it....it is fact that the G4s lag behind in HARDWARE. Adobe will tell you the same thing.
The G5s should change this.
Of course Final Cut Pro runs fast on a Mac. Avid Xpress Pro runs fast on a Mac.
But you take Avid Xpress Pro (or Adrenaline) on a Mac and Avid Xpress Pro (or Adrenaline) on a PC the PC is currently faster.
This is a hardware issue and has absoluteley NOTHING to do with Microsoft.
The Microsoftness has nothing to do with it....it is fact that the G4s lag behind in HARDWARE. Adobe will tell you the same thing.
The G5s should change this.
Of course Final Cut Pro runs fast on a Mac. Avid Xpress Pro runs fast on a Mac.
But you take Avid Xpress Pro (or Adrenaline) on a Mac and Avid Xpress Pro (or Adrenaline) on a PC the PC is currently faster.
This is a hardware issue and has absoluteley NOTHING to do with Microsoft.
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irmongoose
macrumors 68030
Not bad... not bad at all. Which school, by the way? Why do you think they have it for so cheap?
irmongoose
HUMMM....
Microsoft owned 9.1% in 1998. When it was when Avid left Mac platform for a while before it was forced to return by FCP ?!?
Microsoft owned 9.1% in 1998. When it was when Avid left Mac platform for a while before it was forced to return by FCP ?!?
Rocksaurus
macrumors 6502a
Look closely at the specs in the BM's
I really doubt those benchmarks... The 1.7 P4 M was beating the 3 GHz P4 tower... Does anyone else think that seems fishy? That Dell's a good notebook performance-wise, no doubt, but the G4 is still pretty powerful in its own respect. I know it's too late and you've already sold your soul, but I'm just saying the benchmarks you provided are really bogus.
I really doubt those benchmarks... The 1.7 P4 M was beating the 3 GHz P4 tower... Does anyone else think that seems fishy? That Dell's a good notebook performance-wise, no doubt, but the G4 is still pretty powerful in its own respect. I know it's too late and you've already sold your soul, but I'm just saying the benchmarks you provided are really bogus.
I have not sold my soul - not yet - actually the results published by PC Magazine (table of results above this message on this page) made me thinking about the way Charlie tested those machines...
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🙂
fourthtunz
macrumors 68000
Rower, thanks for backing me up buddy😀
I wish I didn't get involved in wrestling with the trolls on here but sometimes their trash bugs me🙄
They act like we don't know that pc's will perform some tests faster. Avid didn't do pcs until ms stepped in, but Protoools on the Mac is still king in studios worldwide. Even with the lagging processors Macs are very prevalent in video and imaging. Pecees are cheap but if Gates gives them away I don't want one😎
daniel
Oh Geez. I'm not an troll.
I love Macs. I use them every day. I run Avid Xpress Pro on my dual gig G4 and it rocks.
The fact is...PCs are faster. Are they better? No.
I was aware that Avid bought DS from Microsoft...I wasn't aware that they owned Avid stock. Heck I own Avid stock.
Microsoft still doesn't have anything to do with it.
The current line of Xeons are faster than the G4. Adobe and Avid will tell you that.
The G5...as I said before...will change this.
I am not a troll. I love Macs. I'm not a troll because I love Avid as well.
I love Macs. I use them every day. I run Avid Xpress Pro on my dual gig G4 and it rocks.
The fact is...PCs are faster. Are they better? No.
I was aware that Avid bought DS from Microsoft...I wasn't aware that they owned Avid stock. Heck I own Avid stock.
Microsoft still doesn't have anything to do with it.
The current line of Xeons are faster than the G4. Adobe and Avid will tell you that.
The G5...as I said before...will change this.
I am not a troll. I love Macs. I'm not a troll because I love Avid as well.
fourthtunz
macrumors 68000
I'm glad that you love macs, nice resume by the way! Yeah pecees are faster running software that is far more optomized for the pc.
adobe nor avid are optomized for the Mac the way that final cut is, so the change for me came with the g4 running final cut.
Microsoft has everything to do with anything that has to do with computing. The Federal case against them more than proves that.
Keep doin those videos, respect,
daniel
😀
I never wanted to start a Mac vs. PC war. Or an Avid vs. FCP war.
I am a bit biased since I edit on the Avid (as well as teach the official Avid classes).
I have liked that I have seen with FCP but it really doesn't fit into my line of work since we cut everything on Avid. I do love Soundtrack though. I may have to get that. It is really addicting.
Thanks for the compliments on the resume.
I am a bit biased since I edit on the Avid (as well as teach the official Avid classes).
I have liked that I have seen with FCP but it really doesn't fit into my line of work since we cut everything on Avid. I do love Soundtrack though. I may have to get that. It is really addicting.
Thanks for the compliments on the resume.
HUMMM.....
Nobody seems to comment that test made by PC Magazine where even G4 outperformed XEON 3Ghz in 3 tests out of 6
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Nobody seems to comment that test made by PC Magazine where even G4 outperformed XEON 3Ghz in 3 tests out of 6
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iPC
macrumors 6502
In general, the XEON has been a huge disappointment. It's a good server architecture, and that is about it. The difference in performance when compared with a standard P4 is usually not worht the expense. Not to mention that there are 3.2GHz P4's now with 800MHz bus.
Avid vs FCP - considering that National Geographic does everything on Avid now...
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