The 16GB iPhone is NOT a ripoff

[oldmacs]

99% satisfaction rating is on an Apple commercial.

So are you telling me Apple is putting false information on their commercials? LOL. What planet are you living on.

Apple skews its information. Much like its up to 3 times as fast claims, or its battery life claims.

They could have surveyed 100 people were all but 1 loved their iPhones, and for all we know they could have been users with 64/128 GBs.

Apple constantly skews/hides/puts emphasis on data to make it sound how they want it to sound. I'd much prefer to listen to a third party who are much less likely to do so.

 

[warrior2000]

changing the base model to 32gb is not going to change anything, besides making the iPhone 6 a better deal, more competitive and not stuck in 2009.

Why not start at 128GB? Thats even a better deal. That won't change anything either right?

 

[C DM]

The globe is voting with their wallet.

iPhone is selling more premium phones ( $500+) then all the Android vendors COMBINED. And by a large margin.

And has nothing to do with 16 GB base model being good for the customer.

 

[oldmacs]

The globe is voting with their wallet.

iPhone is selling more premium phones ( $500+) then all the Android vendors COMBINED. And by a large margin.

More people buy McDonalds than eat at expensive restaurants.

More people buy Hyundais and Kias then more expensive cars.

 

[oldmacs]

Why not start at 128GB? Thats even a better deal. That won't change anything either right?

You have already posted this about 100 times.

I'll copy and past my last answer in case you forgot to read it.


32GB is adequate, and offers a good balance between profit margins and a good user experience. Thats like saying, why not start at 4GB. Because the industry has moved past 16GB. App sizes have increased, image sizes have increased, video sizes have increased.

 

[warrior2000]

More people buy McDonalds than eat at expensive restaurants.

More people buy Hyundais and Kias then more expensive cars.

Come back to me when people compare iPhones to McDonalds and Kia's. LOL.

 

[Surf Donkey]

All these threads follow the same trajectory. Bendgate, antennagate. The latest one is over in the andriod section where people were arguing that the stylus going in easily backwards (and thus breaking the phone) was NOT an engineering flaw. It was dumb user error. It started being compared to cars, fires, water on earth, etc. Just like the Apple "gates" are usually argued as only dumb user error. The beloved corporation can do no wrong. The decisions they make for you are for the best.

Brand loyalty is literal market brainwashing to some. Strange that some fall for it. But it makes for entertaining threads to say the least.

 

[sunking101]

The globe is voting with their wallet.

iPhone is selling more premium phones ( $500+) then all the Android vendors COMBINED. And by a large margin.

I understand that but it doesn't mean that Android phones aren't a premium product.
Daewoo sell more cars than Rolls Royce.

 

[C DM]

Why not start at 128GB? Thats even a better deal. That won't change anything either right?

The slippery slope has already been addressed and used against your own argument the same way. Repeating it only undermines your own arguments that much more.

Why would anyone want to do that? It just doesn't make sense to put your own arguments down. Unless that's not what this thread is really about. Yeah...

 

[warrior2000]

You have already posted this about 100 times.

I'll copy and past my last answer in case you forgot to read it.


32GB is adequate, and offers a good balance between profit margins and a good user experience. Thats like saying, why not start at 4GB. Because the industry has moved past 16GB. App sizes have increased, image sizes have increased, video sizes have increased.

And what makes YOU the judge of whats adequate?

 

[oldmacs]

And what makes YOU the judge of whats adequate?

The rest of the tech industry does.

 

[warrior2000]

I understand that but it doesn't mean that Android phones aren't a premium product.
Daewoo sell more cars than Rolls Royce.

But compare averaging selling price and that argument falls flat.

The iPhone is an amazing achievement. Never has a product been both the best selling by UNITS and the highest selling price. To deny that the iPhone is not the King of smartphones is delusional.

 

[warrior2000]

The rest of the tech industry does.

The rest of the tech industry though the iPhone was going to flop.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPhone was too expensive in 2007.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPad was just a bigger iPhone.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPod was an overpriced MP3 player.
The rest of the tech industry said Samsung was going to eat Apple's lunch.


Do I need to go on?

The tech industry is CONSTANTLY WRONG about Apple. Why? Because they are the TECH INDUSTRY. They have ZERO idea of what normal people want. Apple knows what normal people crave for. And they design their products to be desirable to NORMAL MAINSTREAM people instead of Tech nerds.

 

[sunking101]

But compare averaging selling price and that argument falls flat.

The iPhone is an amazing achievement. Never has a product been both the best selling by UNITS and the highest selling price. To deny that the iPhone is not the King of smartphones is delusional.

It's the King of sales and a marketing masterpiece. You fail to include the possibility that it's living on former glories somewhat and also that it's a fashion icon. If smartphones were invented today, simultaneously by Apple & Samsung, and the iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 were the first smartphones released to market on the same day, which would sell the most?

A lot of iPhone sales can be accounted to things other than it being 'the best smartphone on the market'. Former glories, fashion, premium price tag, marketing/celebs, ecosystem, perceived greatness etc etc. It really isn't as great as you make out, or as worthy of the price tag as you make out. You seem to think that people should be happy that it exists and be prepared to pay any price to get one.

 

[oldmacs]

The rest of the tech industry though the iPhone was going to flop.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPhone was too expensive in 2007.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPad was just a bigger iPhone.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPod was an overpriced MP3 player.
The rest of the tech industry said Samsung was going to eat Apple's lunch.


Do I need to go on?

The tech industry is CONSTANTLY WRONG about Apple. Why? Because they are the TECH INDUSTRY. They have ZERO idea of what normal people want. Apple knows what normal people crave for. And they design their products to be desirable to NORMAL MAINSTREAM people instead of Tech nerds.

They are generalisations - I'm talking in specific terms, as it is the industry in general that determines things like adequate RAM, adequate CPU performance, adequate GPU performance, Adequate pixel density etc.

If Apple did not follow the industry on these sorts of things, we'd still have Macs with 1 and 2 GBs of ram.

The rest of the tech industry though the iPhone was going to flop.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPhone was too expensive in 2007.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPad was just a bigger iPhone.
The rest of the tech industry said the iPod was an overpriced MP3 player.
The rest of the tech industry said Samsung was going to eat Apple's lunch.


Do I need to go on?

The tech industry is CONSTANTLY WRONG about Apple. Why? Because they are the TECH INDUSTRY. They have ZERO idea of what normal people want. Apple knows what normal people crave for. And they design their products to be desirable to NORMAL MAINSTREAM people instead of Tech nerds.

Screen size is a good example. The 5S sold well, but it obviously didn't live up to expectations. Why? Apple acknowledged themselves that they were not giving users what the rest of the smart phone industry was giving - a range of sizes. (I still prefer the 4 inch form factor but that is another story) so they obviously were not right there.

Same with the iPad Mini. Apple didn't think it was a good idea, but the rest of the industry did.

 

[warrior2000]

It's the King of sales and a marketing masterpiece. You fail to include the possibility that it's living on former glories somewhat and also that it's a fashion icon. If smartphones were invented today, simultaneously by Apple & Samsung, and the iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 were the first smartphones released to market on the same day, which would sell the most?

A lot of iPhone sales can be accounted to things other than it being 'the best smartphone on the market'. Former glories, fashion, premium price tag, marketing/celebs, ecosystem, perceived greatness etc etc. It really isn't as great as you make out, or as worthy of the price tag as you make out. You seem to think that people should be happy that it exists and be prepared to pay any price to get one.

90% of a smartphone is ecosystem.

 

[warrior2000]

They are generalisations - I'm talking in specific terms, as it is the industry in general that determines things like adequate RAM, adequate CPU performance, adequate GPU performance, Adequate pixel density etc.

If Apple did not follow the industry on these sorts of things, we'd still have Macs with 1 and 2 GBs of ram.



Screen size is a good example. The 5S sold well, but it obviously didn't live up to expectations. Why? Apple acknowledged themselves that they were not giving users what the rest of the smart phone industry was giving - a range of sizes. (I still prefer the 4 inch form factor but that is another story) so they obviously were not right there.

Same with the iPad Mini. Apple didn't think it was a good idea, but the rest of the industry did.

Apple gives what the Mainstream crowd desires.

At this point in time 16GB is fine for the mainstream. And the mainstream is willing to pay $100 for 64GB if 16GB is too little.

 

[C DM]

90% of a smartphone is ecosystem.

Where does that number come from?

83% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[oldmacs]

Apple gives what the Mainstream crowd desires.

The mainstream wanted a bigger iPhone when the 5S came out. Did apple deliver? NO.

The mainstream wanted a smaller iPad in 2010 and 2011. Android small tablets took off. Did Apple deliver? NO.

 

[warrior2000]

Where does that number come from?

83% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Any cheap POS china brand can build a hardware clone of the iPhone. The real trick is duplicating Apple's ecosystem:

1. Retail stores
2. Awesome customer service
3. Rock solid OS
4. Content services - iTunes, AppleMusic, AppStore, LiveTV (soon)
5. A strong market of secondary buyers (helps resale value)
6. Mobility services - TouchId, ApplePay, Maps, Ect

And then tie those all together in a platform that does not data mind you or feed you ads.

So far no one is even close in duplicating the iPhone ecosystem.

 

[C DM]

Apple gives what the Mainstream crowd desires.

At this point in time 16GB is fine for the mainstream. And the mainstream is willing to pay $100 for 64GB if 16GB is too little.

What shows that that's what the mainstream desires? The sales only show that more people buy the cheapest model. The satisfaction shows that more people are happy with being able to own the iPhone brand. None of that implies anything about the mainstream desiring 16 GB being the base model (ober 32 GB for example).

 

[oldmacs]

Apple gives what the Mainstream crowd desires.

At this point in time 16GB is fine for the mainstream. And the mainstream is willing to pay $100 for 64GB if 16GB is too little.

At this point, an A5/A6 chip is probably also fine for the mainstream.

Why does Apple put an A9 chip in. And don't say its because of Apple Pay. They could easily engineer the A5 or A6 to have a secure enclave.

 

[nickchallis92]

I genuinely think that if Apple and Samsung sold their first smartphones tomorrow (assuming there is no other monopoly in the industry), the market share wouldn't be anything like today.

For reasons not understandable to me, people seem to like iOS. Others like myself enjoy using Android. Both have excellent cameras. Both are beyond exceptional at performing basic tasks like phoning, listening to music and sending text messages.

The only things that differentiate them are the way the look, the battery life and the screens. And i'm sorry but Samsung are winning in those three departments hands down.

 

[sunking101]

90% of a smartphone is ecosystem.

People new to smartphones, or who don't own a Mac/iPad and who couldn't care less about continuity etc still buy iPhones in their droves. They couldn't care less about the ecosystem, certainly not at the time of purchase, and yet they still buy iPhones. This would point to marketing, fashion, perceived greatness and things other than the hardware/software itself being the no.1 consideration.

PS, I'm not an Apple hater either. I just grow more disillusioned by the year with their products. For what it's worth, the iPhone 4 remains my favourite piece of tech ever. I loved that thing.

 

[C DM]

Any cheap POS china brand can build a hardware clone of the iPhone. The real trick is duplicating Apple's ecosystem:

1. Retail stores
2. Awesome customer service
3. Rock solid OS
4. Content services - iTunes, AppleMusic, AppStore, LiveTV (soon)
5. A strong market of secondary buyers (helps resale value)
6. Mobility services - TouchId, ApplePay, Maps, Ect

And then tie those all together in a platform that does not data mind you or feed you ads.

So far no one is even close in duplicating the iPhone ecosystem.

So basically nothing that provides that number. Got it.