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Agree completely. That's why further down in my post I "theorize" about a 2-socket configuration using Beckton. It wouldn't at all be past Apple to allow a little bit of the Beckton advantage to go wasted, just to make a splash with 16-cores. But also, as I said, I still think that 16-cores in two sockets, even if some of Beckton's QuickPath bandwidth goes wasted, would be a winner performance-wise. It all depends on whether the Gainestown and Beckton are interchangeable in the Beckton's QP four-channel socket anyway, which is just a guess on my part. :apple:

They won't be interchangeble. Also I can't see Apple offering slower processors with more cores while offering faster versions with fewer cores. i.e no 2.66GHz x 16 while offering 3.2GHz x 8.
 
Hope you don't mind, thought i'd throw this in.
The new macosrumors.com on Mac Pro here -take it with however much salt you want :)

Their key points:

"we’ve had the opportunity to look under the hood of far more recent prototypes and a much clearer picture of the final Mac Pro has begun to emerge."

- Xeon-class i7 chips "….we were able to confirm last week in web comments & conversations on Twitter, AIM, et cetera that yes, in fact the new Mac Pro would continue to be based around Xeons."

"the Pro that we’ve had the opportunity to examine is three things for damn sure: extremely sexy, extremely energy-efficient, and extremely fast"

"incredible new enclosure that this powerful machine will reside in." -"….the most striking change in the prototypes we’ve seen which include the new enclosure design is what used to be called the “cheesegrater” — the intake & exhaust vents on the front and rear of the tower. - They’re no longer silver like the side panels; instead, they are matte black."

"Being slightly taller and wider, plus having numerous internal ventilation/cooling tweaks, the new tower actually improves upon them and combined with the cooler operation of the Nehalem CPUs/chipset, will result in almost silent operation of the new Mac Pro. In fact, during some operations most internal fans shut down entirely; dust-clogging problems experienced in older towers should be a thing of the past from what our sources at Infinite Loop have told us."

"he matte-black center panels give the tower a less dazzling, more striking profile with consirerably more visual contrast — but most importantly, they transform the appearance of the “cheesegrater” into something far more subtle. Still offering appealing texture, but without the awkward similarity to a kitchen utensil that the same panels create in bare aluminum.

The only parts of the front panel which aren’t black are the optical drives and the cluster of front-mounted ports; both remain the silver-grey of bare aluminum, making them stand out considerably more — in our own hands-on tests, it was much easier to reach out into one’s peripheral vision and make successful contact with a cable on the first try than it was with a PowerMac G5, for example."


"All in all, we couldn’t be more impressed with the enclosure which we’ll be able to describe in even more detail (handles, subtle touches, port locations and internal layout, et cetera) soon once another source embargo expires. But what really impresses is far more than skin deep — the Core i7 Xeon components inside delivered performance and thermal/energy efficiency numbers that simply crush any other computer we’ve ever seen by astonishing margins."

[At this point, anyone care to mock up what's been described? :) ]


Rough Specs (most of which we know):

*2.8, 2.93, and 3.2GHz Core i7 Xeon 5500-series “Gainestown” processors with 8MB of L2 cache
*All versions dual-chip/dual Front Side Bus based; 2.93 and 3.2GHz models available with either quad or eight-core chips creating a total of eight or sixteen(!!!) cores.
*Nehalem re-introduces Intel’s HyperTransport technology which processes two threads on each core — causing the OS to see 16 or 32 “logical cores,” respectively.

*Triple DDR3-1333 (!) SDRAM memory busses, forcing memory to be installed in sets of three DIMMs, but offering upwards of 4.8 billion transfers per second through Nehalem “QuickPath Interconnect” which is a more than 60% boost over the closest alternative DDR3-1066 based design currently on the market.

*There has been some question as to whether Core i7 Xeon supports ECC (error correction/control) FB-DIMMs which have been in the past several models of Mac Pro; the other Core i7 chips do not. Checking this with sources, will post updates to the comments of this article and in future articles.

*Power usage and operating temperatures of the new CPUs are down substantially from the current 5400-series Xeon models, making for a quieter, more energy efficient, and “greener” Mac….the entire chipset/motherboard also cuts down significantly on environmental pollutants such as lead, mercury and volatile manufacturing by-products.

*Dual-GPU “SLI” graphics system built by nVIDIA; entry-level eight core 2.8GHz model will have a single ATi GPU — possibly a 3600-class card — and all others will sport various types of dual nVIDIA cards in the 8000/9000 series. A configuration with dual GeForce 9800GX2 cards (which have dual GPUs on each card) for a total of four GPUs has been mentioned by sources but thus far, we have not been able to see one with our own eyes.

*Three memory riser cards (one for each bus) provide a total of twelve DDR3-1333MHz DIMM slots supporting at least 32GB, possibly as much as 48GB of RAM with 4GB DIMMs. Stock configs will sport either 1.5 or 3GB of RAM due to the triple-channel architecture — a significant improvement over the 1 & 2GB configurations currently offered.

*PCI Express expansion options considerably improved: two double-wide 32X graphics slots for SLI GPU(s), either 3 or 4 (depending on which prototype; we think, but cannot confirm, that the final version will have four) single-wide slots for “regular” expansion cards. These slots have a total of 32 PCIe lanes which can be dynamically assigned based on how many cards are inserted and what type of cards they are; the first two slots can run at up to 16X, the rest up to 8X. There had been some reporting early on that the dynamic feature might be disabled in favor of a more stable/reliable/compatible fixed 8X speed for all slots, but this no longer appears to be the case.

Other than these changes, most of the other things such as internal drive bay layouts, ports, and so forth do not appear to be significantly altered in the new case. Due to its only somewhat increased height/width over the current models, the new Mac Pro doesn’t have too much room for other changes now that it has up to twice as many expansion slots and half again as many RAM slots….

Shipping in early to mid March, "


"Overall, we couldn’t be more impressed by this incredible piece of technology and will be keeping a very close eye on related rumors as they develop. Be sure to check back often, since even before new articles are posted we’ll be posting updates to the comments section below….and if you’re a retailer or other party who wouldn’t mind parting with one or more of these beastly machines when they ship, please consider becoming a sponsor of Rumors! Barter with us to be the exclusive provider of our new desktops which are badly needed for the new team who are slaving away on Macs multiple generations old, mostly laptops and Minis. If you’re interested, drop us a line and we’ll show you how strong returns on your investment are ensured by our Guaranteed Return-on-Investment sponsorship/advertising policies….otherwise, thanks for visiting MOSR today and for supporting us with your clicks!

Much more “Nehalem” Core i7 dirt is on the way — starting with the forthcoming Nehalem iMacs which we may see significantly sooner than March….so stay tuned!"

Damn, I just got a huge boner reading that!! I cant wait!!
 
I have no knowledge of MacOSRumors, but anyone who thinks SLI is coming to OSX any time soon should be institutionalized. Also, why do they get to play with one of these unreleased Apple computers? Is there any history of Apple doing that? No.

Not that they looked legit before this post as many other posters have pointed out, but instead of taking their "predictions" and "hands on experience" with a grain of salt, I'd put it in the toilet where it belongs.

@Setmose, in addition to making a splash with 16 cores they would also make a splash with a price tag more fitting for a mid range Honda.

I wouldnt be surprised if they got their hands on the prototypes. If you do notice that Apple's secrecy is getting less and less secretive every year.

Just look at a couple of products leaks before they released a product, like the macbook pros, imacs for example.

Maybe with Steve Jobs in bed a few shenanigans have been going on! :D
 
I have been trying to shuffle through all the posts to get a low down of any updates on info regarding the new computer.

Can I get a quick low down on any new info about the new mac pro?

processors, memory, graphics cards, case redesign?

Thanks guys
 
I have been trying to shuffle through all the posts to get a low down of any updates on info regarding the new computer.

Can I get a quick low down on any new info about the new mac pro?

processors, memory, graphics cards, case redesign?

Thanks guys

Read what I quoted 3 threads ^^^ thats the newest info (well take it with a grain of salt, pepper or whatever you'd like I guess) which gave me a boner.
 
I have been trying to shuffle through all the posts to get a low down of any updates on info regarding the new computer.

Can I get a quick low down on any new info about the new mac pro?

processors, memory, graphics cards, case redesign?

Thanks guys

It's all in the first post.
 
Damn, I just got a huge boner reading that!! I cant wait!!

But where is that info coming from? I have to say that article reads quite poorly, and it reminds me of when I was a kid and other kids would make up lies about videogames they heard about, or something of that nature.
 
Read what I quoted 3 threads ^^^ thats the newest info (well take it with a grain of salt, pepper or whatever you'd like I guess) which gave me a boner.

The article is just there to get traffic or in the hopes that they will be right and get some reputation back.

There will not be 8 core 2.93GHz and 3.2GHz Xeons and Apple will very, very unlikely to offer two $1,200 processors (2.8GHz) on the base Mac Pro. There are many, many other inaccuracies.

I finished reading it, ignore it all:
"Barter with us to be the exclusive provider of our new desktops which are badly needed for the new team who are slaving away on Macs multiple generations old, mostly laptops and Minis. If you’re interested, drop us a line and we’ll show you how strong returns on your investment are ensured by our Guaranteed Return-on-Investment sponsorship/advertising policies….otherwise, thanks for visiting MOSR today and for supporting us with your clicks!"
 
But where is that info coming from? I have to say that article reads quite poorly, and it reminds me of when I was a kid and other kids would make up lies about videogames they heard about, or something of that nature.

I agree. We have never heard anything from them that has been proven to be accurate.
 
today's news of the chips being in stock has motivated me to buy my student ADC membership, and I'm looking forward as much as ever to 20% off this purchase. just the sales tax on the money that i'm saving "pays for" most of the sADC membership, too.

at this point, i can only really be screwed if they don't come out until february 2010
 
today's news of the chips being in stock has motivated me to buy my student ADC membership, and I'm looking forward as much as ever to 20% off this purchase. just the sales tax on the money that i'm saving "pays for" most of the sADC membership, too.

at this point, i can only really be screwed if they don't come out until february 2010

How much is the sADC membership?
 
I have been trying to shuffle through all the posts to get a low down of any updates on info regarding the new computer.

Can I get a quick low down on any new info about the new mac pro?

processors, memory, graphics cards, case redesign?

Thanks guys

It's all in the first post.

I could have SWORN that's why I put it there...

How much is the sADC membership?

$99. 1-time discount. Even if you renew it, you can't get another. You can, however, upgrade to Select or Premier and get those discounts.

And (at least, when I did mine) you get a copy of Leopard, so it's a CHEAPER copy of Leopard plus 20% off.
 
I could have SWORN that's why I put it there...



$99. 1-time discount. Even if you renew it, you can't get another. You can, however, upgrade to Select or Premier and get those discounts.

And (at least, when I did mine) you get a copy of Leopard, so it's a CHEAPER copy of Leopard plus 20% off.

whoa~ that is an awesome deal.. if I spend around 4k for the Nehalem Mac Pro with 20% off after tax $4328 - $20% ($865)= $3463! (well I spent $100 so actuality it would be a total of $3563).
 
whoa~ that is an awesome deal.. if I spend around 4k for the Nehalem Mac Pro with 20% off after tax $4328 - $20% ($865)= $3463! (well I spent $100 so actuality it would be a total of $3563).

aye, but consider the tax you'd have to spend on he $865 you're saving if you weren't saving it. that's another $70 in NY-- so consider the "price" for access to the membership closer to $35.

it might not matter to most people buying these things, but it makes a huge difference to me... a week of groceries saved even before i start using the computer to support myself
 
whoa~ that is an awesome deal.. if I spend around 4k for the Nehalem Mac Pro with 20% off after tax $4328 - $20% ($865)= $3463! (well I spent $100 so actuality it would be a total of $3563).

The discount is applied BEFORE tax. The prices are shown on the Developer Store with the discount, just like the education store.

Here's the link to the Developer Store. You can't link to the store directly, so just click the first one on this page.

http://developer.apple.com/membership/northamerica.html
 
The discount is applied BEFORE tax. The prices are shown on the Developer Store with the discount, just like the education store.

Here's the link to the Developer Store. You can't link to the store directly, so just click the first one on this page.

http://developer.apple.com/membership/northamerica.html

Hmm.. the link doesnt seem to work (the link you provided works but the actual adc store doesnt work).. but I calculated that even the discount before or after tax it comes up to about the same price which is still huge though.
 
But where is that info coming from? I have to say that article reads quite poorly, and it reminds me of when I was a kid and other kids would make up lies about videogames they heard about, or something of that nature.

I had the same thought...
Some kid in art class said:
"Hey, did you get to that level in Wolfenstein where you get to ride around on the motorbike with the machine gun on the handle bar? It's my favourite!"

There's probably a good reason Arn hasn't posted the macosrumors stuff to even Page 2, y'think?

This time some news is better than no news~ =/

...not really, given that the likelyhood that it's a total fabrication is near 100%. This is the sort of thing that makes people (like you?) click 'negative' on the story when the real computer is released and it's nothing like this, despite being pretty spiffy in its own right.
 
Hmm.. the link doesnt seem to work (the link you provided works but the actual adc store doesnt work).. but I calculated that even the discount before or after tax it comes up to about the same price which is still huge though.

Do you get a "Sorry, unable to enter the requested store" thing?

That's intermittent. The link is correct.
 
Stupid...Intel...Production Delay = Release Delay... You got lucky. :D :p


Coward! :eek: :D

I just don't believe that Apple will wait an extra 2 or 3 months to release it at WWDC. It's that kind of thing that they want to avoid by quitting MWSF. They will announce and release them whenever makes most business sense
 
I just don't believe that Apple will wait an extra 2 or 3 months to release it at WWDC. It's that kind of thing that they want to avoid by quitting MWSF. They will announce and release them whenever makes most business sense
In this case, it would be more out of convenience than anything else.

Once the parts ship, vendors typically need ~8 weeks to ship systems. Work out the dates from March 30, so early June looks right.
 
Given the information in the Fudzilla article, they lowered the wholsale prices slightly. The W5580 is down to $1557 from $1600, and the X5570 is down to $1349 from $1386. Not a lot, but anything might help. Retail prices may not reflect it though. :rolleyes:
The Fudzilla link also says "that Intel will be selling the cooling solution for these CPUs separately, which was never the case before," which would increase the "true" price for these CPUs.

*jittery, creepy, The Jokeresque voice* They all said I was CRAZY!!!

Five hundred and eighteen days... Five hundred and eighteen days...

They were WRONG! It was ALWAYS going to be a five hundred and eighteen day gap... yes... always... and again, and AGAIN... and AGAIN!

Mwa ha ha ha ha! Mwa ha ha ha ha!
Pessimism in action! In the case of Mac release dates, true optimism comes from pessimism! :D

And since it looks like my pessimistic prediction several months ago about a WWDC Mac Pro update seems even more likely, I don't have to keep pushing back my prediction, like how I've done with many other rumored products. :cool:

(Maybe I'll change the second line of my sig…but I'll do that after the new iMacs / Mac minis are released…which might take a while. :p)

I have no knowledge of MacOSRumors
All you need to know is that the magic 8-Ball gives more accurate predictions than MacOSRumors.
 
The Fudzilla link also says "that Intel will be selling the cooling solution for these CPUs separately, which was never the case before," which would increase the "true" price for these CPUs.

Pessimism in action! In the case of Mac release dates, true optimism comes from pessimism! :D

And since it looks like my pessimistic prediction several months ago about a WWDC Mac Pro update seems even more likely, I don't have to keep pushing back my prediction, like how I've done with many other rumored products. :cool:

(Maybe I'll change the second line of my sig…but I'll do that after the new iMacs / Mac minis are released…which might take a while. :p)

All you need to know is that the magic 8-Ball gives more accurate predictions than MacOSRumors.

I'm starting to think that this gainstown Mac Pro (even with the baseline configuration) is going to cost us around roughly $5000 or maybe a little more considering after adding the already expensive DDR3 RAM. :(
 
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