So that's what you want, see your ever-changing predictions on the MR front page ?
It all makes sense now.
Ever-changing?
I think we're pretty solid now.
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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know
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Ever-changing?
I think we're pretty solid now.
It sounds more and more like the next Mac Pro will run circles around the current one, according to the postings here.
So what's the deal, is it going to be at least twice the performance of the '08 MP ?
Best I've seen is an estimate of 20-30%, which is a lot less than what you can get with RAM and HDD optimisation.
Anyone got anything more exciting to tell ?
Here is a clock for clock comparison between Penryn and Nehalem. This gives a good indication of performance gains a Nehalem Mac Pro should have over the current ones.
I don't have to. You have to show that an 8-core will be released.
I might as well say Intel's going to release an 8-core Atom or a 4 GHz mobile CPU.
That news was a misunderstanding by the Macworld article (unless there's been new news since then), which doesn't count.
Less than five years ago, the thought of a $2300 starting point was considering to be insane. By many it still is. The Nehalem chips are a bit more expensive than their predecessors. Also, never discount Apple's willingness to protect the upper ranges of their precious iMac.
You are seeing that happening ?
Come on, you can do better than that, eh ?
For months you've been telling people the next MP will rock, and not to buy the current model, as it will be so left behind.
So let us know, how much faster will some of the most common and demanding programs used on a Mac workstation run ?
Say, CS4, Final Cut Pro, Cinema 4D , Aperture .
While you are at it, tell us how much a Mac Pro will cost to run any of the above mentioned apps properly.
Hint - none of base model will cut it , not even remotely .
Also, when exactly do you think any of those programs will be ready to take advantage of both Nehalem (or whatever ) and Snow Leo ?
Certainly you are aware that a performance boost for iPhoto isn't really exciting, are you not ?
Keep in mind Tallest Skil's comparison estimates are between two DP systems. Not a single core machine vs. a DP model.
The chart Umbongo posted (from Tom's) is just a single processor setup. (Same clock frequency, so the results are an excellent comparison of the differences in technology). The DP setups will obviously perform even better.
Especially if the iMac goes quad-core. That may mean we won't see a single-CPU Mac Pro.
The top-end of the iMac has also gone up in the last few years. From $1699 to $2199.
Agreed in full.
Apparently the world is in a recession, and Intel would rather sell ten million chips at $100 profit per chip than sell two million chips at $300 profit per chip.
Note: the above is an example. I've no idea what the projected profit on the chips are.
Yes, I've been reading quite a bit about this recession. Unfortunately, Steve Jobs and Co. have no idea what it is.
Or likely even care.Yes, I've been reading quite a bit about this recession. Unfortunately, Steve Jobs and Co. have no idea what it is.
I dont think it will be Gainestown
Hey, guys i dont think its gonna happen for Gainestown anytime soon.. I think more likely it will be Nehalem based Xeons QUADS.
"Intel plans to star selling Nehalem based Xeon processors on what seems to be the last Sunday of Q1 2009. Xeon W 55xx, Xeon X 55xx, Xeon L 55xx and Xeon E 55xx versions will start selling as of March 29th, and you can expect them available as of March 30th, the first working day of that week. They are all Nehalem based of Nehalem EX to be precise, as we do talk about server CPUs.
The top dog Xeon quad core W5580 works at 3.2GHz has 8MB of cache and 6.4GB/s QPI. It comes in LGA1366 packaging and it will sell for $1557, while every other SKU will be cheaper. The runner up Xeon X5570 clocked at 2.93GHz will sell for $1349 and launches the same day.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11717&Itemid=35
I guess what I am trying to say here is that it will be quad core CPUs and not 6 or 8.. just to be clear on that...
4 core CPUs ("Gainestown" Xeon) for both single and dual processor (DP) workstations and servers
- 8 core CPUs ("Beckton" Xeon) for quad processor and higher (MP) servers. These will replace the 6-core, 45nm Core-based "Dunnington" Xeons.
Hey, guys i dont think its gonna happen for Gainestown anytime soon
.. I think more likely it will be Nehalem based Xeons QUADS."Intel plans to star selling Nehalem based Xeon processors on what seems to be the last Sunday of Q1 2009. Xeon W 55xx, Xeon X 55xx, Xeon L 55xx and Xeon E 55xx versions will start selling as of March 29th, and you can expect them available as of March 30th, the first working day of that week. They are all Nehalem based of Nehalem EX to be precise, as we do talk about server CPUs.
The top dog Xeon quad core W5580 works at 3.2GHz has 8MB of cache and 6.4GB/s QPI. It comes in LGA1366 packaging and it will sell for $1557, while every other SKU will be cheaper. The runner up Xeon X5570 clocked at 2.93GHz will sell for $1349 and launches the same day.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11717&Itemid=35
I guess what I am trying to say here is that it will be quad core CPUs and not 6 or 8.. just to be clear on that...
4 core CPUs ("Gainestown" Xeon) for both single and dual processor (DP) workstations and servers
- 8 core CPUs ("Beckton" Xeon) for quad processor and higher (MP) servers. These will replace the 6-core, 45nm Core-based "Dunnington" Xeons.
Hey, guys i dont think its gonna happen for Gainestown anytime soon
"Intel plans to star selling Nehalem based Xeon processors on what seems to be the last Sunday of Q1 2009. Xeon W 55xx, Xeon X 55xx, Xeon L 55xx and Xeon E 55xx versions will start selling as of March 29th, and you can expect them available as of March 30th, the first working day of that week. They are all Nehalem based of Nehalem EX to be precise, as we do talk about server CPUs.
The top dog Xeon quad core W5580 works at 3.2GHz has 8MB of cache and 6.4GB/s QPI. It comes in LGA1366 packaging and it will sell for $1557, while every other SKU will be cheaper. The runner up Xeon X5570 clocked at 2.93GHz will sell for $1349 and launches the same day.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11717&Itemid=35
That... IS Gainestown.
Are reversing the argument eh? Well there has been MORE evidence that Intel will release one then they aren't.
What about the following websites:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/29/intel-said-to-be-prepping-eight-core-xeon-for-launch-next-month/
http://tinycomb.com/2009/01/29/intel-8-core/
That's on the Google search, let alone the other websites that your claiming all to be wrong. Yet they mostly all use the same Intel roadmap diagram? Perhaps they'll launch 8 core's but not for the Mac Pro.
Both links you posted quote the MacWorld article, and the picture they posted does not say anything either way about an 8 core desktop chip.
No, that's always how it is. The one making the claim has to provide the evidence.
See my previous post. The null hypothesis needs no evidence on it.
They both refer to the Macworld article, which was refuted several pages ago in this thread. Oh, and by the way, the only real info is "an eight-core, 16-thread Xeon processor manufactured with a 45-nanometer process," which precisely matches previously leaked Beckton specs. Macworld's just speculating on the Nehalem-EP, as they state themselves.
Let me ask you to point me to an article detailing an 8-core Nehalem-EP that does not link to the Macworld article.
They will. It's called Beckton, which is on the roadmap you link to (as "Nehalem-EX").
Yeah the mistake was Macworld's and others just blindly followed. Intel are showing off 8 core processors "for the enterprise", that means Beckton. The macworld author didn't realise this and suggested it would be for Nehalem-EP when it is for Nehalem-EX. We'll know soon enough
This is weird. I just found this:
So we still don't have the Tylersburg boards we need. We know the time gap between processor availability and release, but what's the time gap between logic board availability and release?
SuperMicro New Zealand said:
So we still don't have the Tylersburg boards we need. We know the time gap between processor availability and release, but what's the time gap between logic board availability and release?
No point releasing a motherboard without a CPU. Won't work with any existing CPUs except for Bloomfield and using a dual socket motherboard wouldn't anything to that except for price with that.
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