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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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Tallest Skil said:
So we still don't have the Tylersburg boards we need. We know the time gap between processor availability and release, but what's the time gap between logic board availability and release? :p
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Board vendors have been working on the DP boards for awhile now, and are waiting for the CPU's to release. Hopefully, both will be made available simultaneously, provided they didn't run into any problems. ;)
 
Tallest Skil said:
So we still don't have the Tylersburg boards we need. We know the time gap between processor availability and release, but what's the time gap between logic board availability and release? :p
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The "Tylersburg" platform they're talking about is the X58. They're the same board, the DP version just has another QPI lane.
 
m1stake said:
The "Tylersburg" platform they're talking about is the X58. They're the same board, the DP version just has another QPI lane.
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yes and most likely, the ones shipping for i7 are exactly the same with just one channel disabled/dysfunctional
 
SDI Option for Quadro FX 5800

The mac pro is the standard machine to build a video workstation from, and apple (hopefully) recognizes this. With more programs utilizing the GPU, I think there is no question that the quadro fx 5800 will be the high end card, and I think we will see support for the HD-SDI module, previously unavailable to mac users. At least that's what I'm hoping for my own selfish reasons.

-Sean
 

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About that 16-Core Gainstown...

Oops -- the title should read "About that 8-Core Gainestown..." After all, I wouldn't want to start a rumor...

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First, congratulations to Tallest Skill for getting this thread bumped to "Official Rumor" status on MacRumors page one!

Now here is a collection of sources that demonstrates a special Intel / Apple relationship with regard to surprise un-announced Intel designs and also a preferred status for first bins of high-end production runs.

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Update: Apple Mac Pro gets a special Clovertown processor

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31484/135/

Update: Apple upgrades iMac, gets Intel’s Montevina CPU early, sort of

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37152/135/

Apple's MacBook Air: Uncovering Intel's Custom CPU for Apple

http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3201

Apple looks set to pinch all Intel's top-bin Penryns

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/326/1020326/intel-extreme-penryn-shortage

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Although it seems that individually we have demolished the Mac OS Rumors stories (reputation) and the supposed Macworld "gaff", yet it is interesting that the Mac OS Rumors stories *preceded* both the now-evolving story of an iMac refresh, and the 8-core dual-socket "something" for Mac Pro that was reported by Macworld. And I don't think either of those stories sourced Mac OS Rumors in any way.

I'm reminded of the scene in the movie "Patriot Games" in which the CIA lifer, Marty, analyzes Jack Ryan's "poor analysis":

[my paraphrase]

"Jack you're just not a field man are you? You told them you are looking for this woman, and, big surprise, they give you this intel that fits the bill exactly."

"Marty, I didn't tell them that I'm looking for a woman."

Marty, blinking. "Oh."

Ok, I'll get off my 8-core soapbox now. I sure hope it happens though. :apple:
 
robinp said:
interesting... perhaps a store with more credibility:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001QCGOTC...8LR&tag=nextag-ce-tier3-delta-20&linkCode=asn

I know it's on the Amazon marketplace, but that surely makes it more reliable.
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Not sure about the store. SKU #'s are definitely out, but I'm not certain on stock, as some sites listed the part, but no stock.

Intel still hasn't made a recent formal announcement of a release date sooner than March 29. And I'd expect Tom's Hardware and a few others to post it as soon as they get their hands on it. :p Assuming it actually happens.

If anyone can post such a link, I'd appreciate it. :)

PowerPaw said:
There seem to be more and more coming up from the less reliable resources presently though the three listed make it to about 90% good feedback status. What makes me laugh though is there are only 5 left in stock, not 4 or 6, i.e. pairs :D
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Such small quantities makes me wonder as well. Particularly when the trays contain 1000 parts.

I know they can get smaller quantities through wholesale outfits, but the cost makes it harder to compete.

The only other possibility, is retail packaging. Assuming this is the case, and the stock quantities listed are correct, such small quantities would make me think initial shipped stock from Intel will be very limited (stretched too thin), so prices would be kind of high. :( I'm starting to wonder about intentional market manipulation. :rolleyes:
 
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Setmose said:
Now here is a collection of sources that demonstrates a special Intel / Apple relationship with regard to surprise un-announced Intel designs and also a preferred status for first bins of high-end production runs.
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I'm not sure if that extends to CPUs with a new process or microarchitecture though, which would mean that Apple won't get Gainestown early.

But given that the 65 W quad-cores are fairly cheap compared to high-end mobile CPUs, I can see Intel giving Apple a "special" 3.0 GHz 65 W quad-core for a higher price (> $500) for the iMac.
 
I just wanted to extend my congratulations to Tallest Skil for getting this thread on the front page :eek:
Fantastic work buddy, and you've kept it up to date every day. Well Done. :cool::apple:

I see March is being rumoured, so March or April then?
 
apolloa said:
I just wanted to extend my congratulations to Tallest Skil for getting this thread on the front page :eek:
Fantastic work buddy, and you've kept it up to date every day. Well Done. :cool::apple:

I see March is being rumoured, so March or April then?
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March release of the processors probably mid-May to mid-June for a Mac Pro release.
 
Anyone had a word to see if this thread can get stickied at the top of the Mac Pro section? Nice to see it get recognition too :)

If we are looking at March-> June - any pointers as to possible dates for more information? There's IDF 2009 Beijing on April 8, 2009 (converted to a 1 day event).

Just to thank about the article on Penryn and Apple - Was it confirmed that Apple basically pre-ordered the first and the fastest Penryns for Macs? If Apple was doing this with new chips, why would Intel want to go really public and bounce around shouting about the chips, only to ahve to wait till they'd made enough for Apple, so they could then make more for the rest of the market? only really applies for "high end" rather than "standard" Penryn CPUs in the article.
 
t0mat0 said:
Just to thank about the article on Penryn and Apple - Was it confirmed that Apple basically pre-ordered the first and the fastest Penryns for Macs? If Apple was doing this with new chips, why would Intel want to go really public and bounce around shouting about the chips, only to ahve to wait till they'd made enough for Apple, so they could then make more for the rest of the market? only really applies for "high end" rather than "standard" Penryn CPUs in the article.
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Yes, as I recall, for about two months only Mac Pro had the 3.2 GHz Penryns. Again, as I recall, the way Apple & Intel got around any accusations of favoritism is that Apple did indeed pay a hefty premium price for those first bins. They ate the cost in the fact that Mac Pros have a decent margin to begin with. :apple:
 
t0mat0 said:
Anyone had a word to see if this thread can get stickied at the top of the Mac Pro section? Nice to see it get recognition too :)
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People often ignore stickies so a thread so a popular thread with a rating is more likely to catch their eye and it's always near the top anyway so far.

PowerPaw said:
I wonder if Intel will spill the beans on a release date for the Gainestown today:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/02/intel_owns_isscc/

I doubt it somehow but there is always hope!
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I would say it is prefectly possible the date will come out over the next few days. Intel aren't Apple ;)
 
Just thought I would mention I was in town and read 3D World. They had a head 2 head of the top Firepro card and PNY 4800 and 5800. The best card was the 5800 where they quoted it as being the fastest single GPU card they'd ever tested, but they weren't sure of the £2632 price! That's nearly £1000 more then the current 5600FX on Apple's website.
 
The MacPro is on backorder at Bestbuy.com: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat128800050007&type=category

Is thsi an indicator for an imminent update?
I do realize that the new Xeon CPUs will be available on March 29th but Apple could have a special deal at its hands to get them sooner than others do, huh?

It happened before:
- iMac 3.06 GHz CPU prior to others
- MacBook Air CPU about 6 months before anybody else got their hands on it
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see above...there is more ;)

Other vendors get the Xeons early April while Apple gets them way ealier.
 
Nik said:
The MacPro is on backorder at Bestbuy.com: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat128800050007&type=category

Is thsi an indicator for an imminent update?
I do realize that the new Xeon CPUs will be available on March 29th but Apple could have a special deal at its hands to get them sooner than others do, huh?

It happened before:
- iMac 3.06 GHz CPU prior to others
- MacBook Air CPU about 6 months before anybody else got their hands on it
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see above...there is more ;)

Other vendors get the Xeons early April while Apple gets them way ealier.
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The site indicated stock was back ordered for stores, but still available online.
So, I'd think they're getting ready (cleared store inventory), but they may not yet have been informed as to when the new model will be available.

As far as Apple's getting parts earlier, it's theoretically possible. But getting their hands on them earlier would cost them substantially more. Given their statement of reduced margins on the next MP, this may not be possible, as it will be much harder to absorb the difference this time. So it doesn't look good IMO. :eek: :(
 
nanofrog said:
The site indicated stock was back ordered for stores, but still available online.
So, I'd think they're getting ready (cleared store inventory), but they may not yet have been informed as to when the new model will be available.

As far as Apple's getting parts earlier, it's theoretically possible. But getting their hands on them earlier would cost them substantially more. Given their statement of reduced margins on the next MP, this may not be possible, as it will be much harder to absorb the difference this time. So it doesn't look good IMO. :eek: :(
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Missed the statement on their margins - do you have a reference/link/quote?
What was the last time reduced margins was stated in earnings call? Vaguely associate with eventual nano ipod/ unibody design.
 
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