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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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iMacmatician said:
There will apparently be "a new Mac mini, iMacs with the new NVIDIA chipset, Mac Pros with Xeon processors along with a pleasant 'surprise'." Is the "pleasant surprise" for the Mac Pro or is it something else?
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Could the "pleasant surprise" could be availability of Snow Leopard starting with the first Mac Pro shipments? (instead of waiting until May/June)? That would fit with standard conversational meaning of "pleasant surprise".

Or, is that Apple code-speak, similar to Jobs' trademark "oh, and just one more thing" ... that is, is "pleasant surprise" is a euphemism for an unexpected BIG announcement of some sort?
 
voyagerd said:
Also

<key>CStateDemotionDict</key>
<dict>
<key>MacPro4,1</key>
<string>CSDD_std1</string>
<key>Xserve3,1</key>
<string>CSDD_std1</string>
</dict>
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Voyagerd, I'm sure this is useful info, but it's pretty raw! Could you please translate this into (technical) English? I assume MacPro4,1 is the 2009 MacPro model. But what the heck is CStateDemotion, of which there is a key entry for the MacPro with value "CSDD_std1"?
 
photobug said:
Voyagerd, I'm sure this is useful info, but it's pretty raw! Could you please translate this into (technical) English? I assume MacPro4,1 is the 2009 MacPro model. But what the heck is CStateDemotion, of which there is a key entry for the MacPro with value "CSDD_std1"?
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It was just in the thermal profiles for Apple's machines. They are both newer model numbers than what is currently offered. CStateDemotion is just what they were under.
 
it wouldn't surprise me if the GPU options are largely Ati/AMD. Historically, apple tends to like keeping both vendors happy one way or another and with nVidia dominating the lower end stuff I suspect we might see the whole range of cards being ati.
 
robinp said:
it wouldn't surprise me if the GPU options are largely Ati/AMD. Historically, apple tends to like keeping both vendors happy one way or another and with nVidia dominating the lower end stuff I suspect we might see the whole range of cards being ati.
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there are other options besides them two? :eek:

(that are large contenders anyway)
 
jjahshik32 said:
Sorry I havnt kept up with this thread in a while and not sure if someone posted this already but:

Sounds like there is a special event on March 24th and allegedly going to introduce the new imacs along with mac minis and the mac pros with a "pleasant surprise."

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/apple-event-rumored-for-march-24-with-imacs-maybe-more.ars

Normally, I'd ignore these rumor stuff but hey it was posted in arstechnica so it has to have some good sources behind it.
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Pleasant surprise == 8-core Gainestown (16 physical core Mac Pro).

I know, I know. I'm just sayin... :apple:
 
robinp said:
it wouldn't surprise me if the GPU options are largely Ati/AMD. Historically, apple tends to like keeping both vendors happy one way or another and with nVidia dominating the lower end stuff I suspect we might see the whole range of cards being ati.
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You could also consider how Nvidia messed up over the 8800GT's backwards compatibility. Jobs has been known to punish companies in the past.

All we know is that so far Apple have gone with a midrange Nvidia and high end ATI and then swapped them round on the next version. With a workstation card from Nvidia since the G5 days. For me the mid range card needs to be a 4670 or 9600GT and the high end needs to be at least a 4870 or GTX 260 core 216. I don't care what the workstation card is, but I'd be suprised if it wasn't the Quadro FX 5800.

If they go with a 3000 seris Radeon card for the base I would be very dissapointed as the 4670 seems the ideal card for the job.
 
Umbongo said:
You could also consider how Nvidia messed up over the 8800GT's backwards compatibility. Jobs has been known to punish companies in the past.

All we know is that so far Apple have gone with a midrange Nvidia and high end ATI and then swapped them round on the next version. With a workstation card from Nvidia since the G5 days. For me the mid range card needs to be a 4670 or 9600GT and the high end needs to be at least a 4870 or GTX 260 core 216. I don't care what the workstation card is, but I'd be suprised if it wasn't the Quadro FX 5800.

If they go with a 3000 seris Radeon card for the base I would be very dissapointed as the 4670 seems the ideal card for the job.
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Yeah, I think the workstation card is largely irrelevant - I mean, the Apple sells relatively few Mac Pro's and the workstation card must make up a tiny percentage of those. I think we'll see a low/mid and high end ATI cards, with possibly the workstation card being nVidia just to keep those who like them happy. I really have no idea how the ATI workstation cards compare to the nVidia ones.
 
In a ideal world Apple would have designed this case long before HP-voodoo ever thought about it.
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I know it lacks a whole lot of ventilation would they consider liquid cooling? A secondary touchscreen panel would be great in my opinion, with power source from a different supply from the main components, it would be like an iPod Touch/iPhone interface, offering the user basic functions whilst in Sleep Mode and Displaying additional data.
 
Lenny Nero said:
I know it lacks a whole lot of ventilation would they consider liquid cooling?
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They already did. It failed miserably.

A secondary touchscreen panel would be great in my opinion, with power source from a different supply from the main components, it would be like an iPod Touch/iPhone interface, offering the user basic functions whilst in Sleep Mode and Displaying additional data.
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Except you can't use the computer while it is asleep and the Mac Pro is meant to be tucked away out of sight.
 
Please, go take your old world solutions somewhere else. Time for a new idea: no cooling whatsoever! No fans, no heatsinks, nothing.
 
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