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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know
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It's pretty clear what got removed looking at the first post, to me.
Apple Legal on your tail, though? [citation needed]
*sigh* Looks like Apple's low-balling it. In this post, Mr. X only shows 1066MHz RAM parts. That would be the 2.26, 2.4, and 2.53 CPUs. On the other hand, there's a 2.66 Apple part and Wiki lists that speed processor using the 1333MHz memory, so something's not quite adding up. Am I missing something in my impromptu analysis - like memory speeds being downward-compatible, or something?
I'm not going to be happy if a 2.53 Nehalem is priced like the 3.2 is now - that is to say, really really expensive. I'd have been very happy with 2x2.66 at base $2999. If indeed they are going for the 2.26/2.4/2.53 processors, I think I'm going to need to see benchmarks first. 2x2.66 and I might have pulled out the plastic today.
Apple Legal on your tail, though? [citation needed]
*sigh* Looks like Apple's low-balling it. In this post, Mr. X only shows 1066MHz RAM parts. That would be the 2.26, 2.4, and 2.53 CPUs. On the other hand, there's a 2.66 Apple part and Wiki lists that speed processor using the 1333MHz memory, so something's not quite adding up. Am I missing something in my impromptu analysis - like memory speeds being downward-compatible, or something?
I'm not going to be happy if a 2.53 Nehalem is priced like the 3.2 is now - that is to say, really really expensive. I'd have been very happy with 2x2.66 at base $2999. If indeed they are going for the 2.26/2.4/2.53 processors, I think I'm going to need to see benchmarks first. 2x2.66 and I might have pulled out the plastic today.
It's pretty clear what got removed looking at the first post, to me.
Apple Legal on your tail, though? [citation needed]
*sigh* Looks like Apple's low-balling it. In this post, Mr. X only shows 1066MHz RAM parts. That would be the 2.26, 2.4, and 2.53 CPUs. On the other hand, there's a 2.66 Apple part and Wiki lists that speed processor using the 1333MHz memory, so something's not quite adding up. Am I missing something in my impromptu analysis - like memory speeds being downward-compatible, or something?
I'm not going to be happy if a 2.53 Nehalem is priced like the 3.2 is now - that is to say, really really expensive. I'd have been very happy with 2x2.66 at base $2999.
Ok Apple selling only 1066MHz DDR3 ECC DIMMs does not rule out Xeons (2.66GHz, 2.8GHz, 2.93GHz & 3.2GHz) using 1333MHz Memory Controllers. Infact many systems, servers especially, will be sold with memory of that speed while using those processors. Apple aren't a memory vendor so they won't want to stock two types, plus the benefits are minimal between the speeds. It also keeps cost down.
Unless I'm mistaken all it really means is 25.6 GB/s memory bandwidth per processor rather than 32 GB/s. 25.6GB/s is also the maximum between processors i.e processor A reading from processor B's memory branch.
So RAM speeds are downward-compatible?
You do realize we're talking about the computer series that used FB-DIMMs that were not only uncommon among home desktop machines, but had required custom heat sinks on them, initially only available from Apple?
According to my logs, the only thing that changed was him blanking out video cards.
So if indeed Apple Legal did contact him (which is at best dubious), apparently they're sensitive about that
Yes totally. I don't think they even have 16GB DIMMs running at 1333MHz yet, maybe 8GB too.
You do realize we're talking about the computer series that used FB-DIMMs that were not only uncommon among home desktop machines, but had required custom heat sinks on them, initially only available from Apple?
And charged huge, huge premiums for it. Basically Apple don't want to be in the memory market, I wouldn't want to be either. So they don't alter prices or stock a wide variety.
Mac Pros could support DDR3 at both 1066MHz and 1333Mhz and Unbuffered non-ECC, Unbuffered ECC and Registered ECC. Apple aren't going to want to stock 6 types so they pick the most suitable.
According to my logs, the only thing that changed was him blanking out video cards.
So if indeed Apple Legal did contact him, apparently they're sensitive about that
Yeah, as a matter of fact, they ARE sensitive about Snow Leopard information leaking out.
It wasn't me, it was one of the contributors, so thanks for necessitating that I say more than I wanted to.
I was TRYING to keep them off track by making it look like I was the leak, not him.
According to my logs, the only thing that changed was him blanking out video cards.
So if indeed Apple Legal did contact him (which is at best dubious), apparently they're sensitive about that
Thanks, guess I missed that. Oh well, something new is getting added, thats all we know... =D
Unfortunately, it's not likely to be the one damned thing I wanted
What did you want?
GTX 260 Core 216 (or better) video option. It hurts having a first-rate workstation and third-rate video card (though a 4870 would only be second-rate I guess)
Yeah I totally understand that. I'm disappointed by what is effectively looking like an 8600GT. The 4670 is a much better card all round.
Yeah, I have an 8800GT right now it and it is by far the biggest bottleneck in my system for gaming performance, and of course CUDA will be a huge benefit for my work once that goes hot, so I want the fastest card I can get at that point.
I see your point. My perspective was that Apple would want to offer the "correct" RAM for each machine at their ridiculous markup, and would be very happy to sell it to less-savvy customers for disgusting profit. When the "correct" RAM can now overlap with other models, though, it makes sense to simplify.
So there's hope yet. Still, I'm afraid 2x2.26/etc. and 1x2.66/etc. makes a lot of sense. It just makes me wonder what they'll do with their "8 cores now standard" marketing. They have different processor options for the 15" and 17" MBPs so it's not unreasonable they'd have two sets of processor options for the new Mac Pros.
Gotta keep my hopes low.
I see your point. My perspective was that Apple would want to offer the "correct" RAM for each machine at their ridiculous markup, and would be very happy to sell it to less-savvy customers for disgusting profit. When the "correct" RAM can now overlap with other models, though, it makes sense to simplify.
So there's hope yet. Still, I'm afraid 2x2.26/etc. and 1x2.66/etc. makes a lot of sense. It just makes me wonder what they'll do with their "8 cores now standard" marketing. They have different processor options for the 15" and 17" MBPs so it's not unreasonable they'd have two sets of processor options for the new Mac Pros.
Gotta keep my hopes low.
Well Apple can still spin it, just a little differently than they have previously. A 2.26GHz x 8 system might be as good as the current Mac Pros for many things while costing a lot less and a 2.66GHz single processor will offer more performance in many areas.
Global economy sucking wind, etc etc perhaps.
When the Mac Pro came out, it was cheaper than PC counterparts. Maybe Apple wants to recapture that concept.
Then again, it's Apple, so making sense and making pro customers happy aren't generally high priorities.
Just remember these are just retail options. Expect processor options up to 3.2GHz and 48GB of memory. It wouldn't suprise me to learn Apple's market research has led to a $2,000 eight core system that is targetted at digital content creators.
yeah that's what I was thinking initially, but the 1066 ram is getting me worried
Tax refund is on the way. The wait is getting agonizing...
I wouldn't even be able to buy an Apple mouse with my refund, unfortunately
I'm only netting $25 combined federal/state.
I wouldn't even be able to buy an Apple mouse with my refund, unfortunately
I'm only netting $25 combined federal/state.
Good for you, seriously. That means you're not one of the folks giving the government an interest free loan of YOUR money. That's to be commended.
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