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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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basically, I should have got the 3.2ghz 8 core back in november. It is the same price (well, a little cheaper in fact) as the new 2.23ghz 8 core and was probably a little quicker for most things. Damn

edit- and even more gutting is that you can't get edu discount on refurb, so I'm stuck getting the over priced crap they just released
 
BenRoethig said:
At these prices, he'd have to sell his house first. (Assuming he has a house)
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I believe he's been saving for some time expecting a over $5k investment. I just imagine that the let down of the actual product is so great that he isn't going to bother. Still only one PCI x16 slot, 4 drive bays... meh.... infact this whole revision is a lot of meh....

I'm interested in seeing what this will do to the prices on previous generations. Refurb store has a 3.2 for $4099, nothing in clearance.

Does anyone know if the single processor model is just missing a processor in it's socket? Also, is that a riser board for processor and memory off the mainboard?
 
BenRoethig said:
The CPUs are much cheaper last time.
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They aren't though - the 2.26 and 2.66 GHz chips that they're using in the base model are cheaper than the chips in the old base model!

The price increases for the higher clocked chips are perfectly reasonable, but the base prices should be much, much less than they are (~$800 CDN).

If nothing else, they should have kept the price points they had last time (per CPU) - now we have a quad at the same price as the old eight-core model. Even if the performance is very comparable between the new quad and old eight (based on this thread and others), the perception of value is completely shot.
 
frimple said:
I'm interested in seeing what this will do to the prices on previous generations. Refurb store has a 3.2 for $4099, nothing in clearance.
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I'm guessing my 8x3.0 Gen I with AppleCare is going to be pretty damned handy in terms of resale. With any luck I can sell it and buy an 8x2.8 Gen II for around the same price, so I don't keep getting buttraped on video card choices just because I have EFI32.
 
frimple said:
I believe he's been saving for some time expecting a over $5k investment. I just imagine that the let down of the actual product is so great that he isn't going to bother. Still only one PCI x16 slot, 4 drive bays... meh.... infact this whole revision is a lot of meh....

I'm interested in seeing what this will do to the prices on previous generations. Refurb store has a 3.2 for $4099, nothing in clearance.

Does anyone know if the single processor model is just missing a processor in it's socket? Also, is that a riser board for processor and memory off the mainboard?
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It has two PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots, one is occupied by the base GPU.
 
LOL

I just did a price comparison, and the Mac Pros are cheaper in Canada than the US.

Canadian Mac Pro base prices, in US dollars:
quad 2.66: $2254.94
octo 2.26: $2954.99

That makes me think of it as good value now. Almost. :D
 
NoNameBrand said:
LOL

I just did a price comparison, and the Mac Pros are cheaper in Canada than the US.

Canadian Mac Pro base prices, in US dollars:
quad 2.66: $2254.94
octo 2.26: $2954.99

That makes me think of it as good value now. Almost. :D
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$2,892.36 and $3,792.41 here. Apple Australia can lick me where I pee.
 
NoNameBrand said:
Wow. Apple sure gets you down-under. So to speak.
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Whenever possible, I buy machines in the US and bring them back here for a variety of reasons:

1. It's cheaper.
2. It means my money doesn't go to Apple Australia, which is universally regarded as the most useless company ever by those who have dealt with them and don't depend on them to sign their paycheque.
 
I was in a Physics lab during the announcement. I have just now had a chance to look it over.

Here is my response:

UTTER NONSENSE. COMPLETE, BAFFLING, BLASPHEMOUS NONSENSE.

What IS this?! Where do they get off?! What gives them the RIGHT to do this?!

Who in the... what in the... why.

Why. That's all. No more, no less. WHY.

WHY would they do this?

This tells us several things:

1. I was RIGHT. They COULD NOT fit the full Tylersburg into the current case. Why the didn't just make it longer, I'll never know.
2. I was RIGHT. They chose two 16x and two 4x over four 16x slots.
3. I was HALF-RIGHT. They put one DVI and one Mini DisplayPort on their graphics cards, meaning I only have to buy ONE adapter to use both of my displays.
4. We were SORT OF RIGHT. AirPort is still optional, for whatever unjust reason.
5. I was RIGHT. SATA SuperDrives, and faster, too.
6. I was RIGHT. No Blu-ray. :D
7.

In addition:

1. I was WRONG. 640GB standard instead of 500GB. I don't feel too bad. :D
2. I was WRONG. Radeon 4870 instead of GTX 260. The 4870 is slightly slower, apparently.
3. I was WRONG. NO Quadro option AT ALL. Strange...
4. I was WRONG. Four FireWire 800 instead of just two. Again, I don't feel bad about being wrong. :cool:

In addition, I was COMPLETELY right about the Mac Mini, so that is awesome.

I hope that these two threads show my critics that, while I am pessimistic, I'm generally RIGHT. Cool. This thread can be sent to the annals of history now. :D

Addendum:

grue said:
That explains so very, very much
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Mhmm...:confused:

8CoreWhore said:
Yeah, it explains why your prostate's about to explode and mine's not.
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Very nice. :cool:

Addendum addendum:

Yes... Oh, yes... I'm still getting one today. I'll post specs once I have made my final decision on them, but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting.
 
basically, I don't believe the performance increase of nehalem = price increase. Totally shafting us
 
Tallest Skil said:
4. We were SORT OF RIGHT. AirPort is still optional, for whatever unjust reason.
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Because a lot of corporate and government research labs (you know, the places that buy these in a lot larger quantities than Apple fanboys who just want bragging rights) won't allow workstations to have wireless systems in them, for security reasons.

Same reason Apple would be out of their minds to implement an iSight in the 30" Cinema Display.
 
Tallest Skil said:
I hope that these two threads show my critics that, while I am pessimistic, I'm generally RIGHT. Cool. This thread can be sent to the annals of history now. :D
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Well on shear count if you move your half right to half wrong and sorta right to not totally wrong I think your ratio is 60:40 ;)

Tallest Skil said:
Addendum addendum:

Yes... Oh, yes... I'm still getting one today. I'll post specs once I have made my final decision on them, but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting.
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I'm guessing base line 8core and waiting to buy the 3.2's from aftermarket?
 
Tallest Skil said:
Yes... Oh, yes... I'm still getting one today. I'll post specs once I have made my final decision on them, but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting.
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i was very curious on this. it sucks that theyre going with the nehalems IMO. wish you coulda been right about the newer chipset.

and considering that i think you are right about tylersburg...then they will have to wait for a complete redesign until they can release a newer chipset than the nehalems huh?
 
grue said:
Because a lot of corporate and government research labs (you know, the places that buy these in a lot larger quantities than Apple fanboys who just want bragging rights) won't allow workstations to have wireless systems in them, for security reasons.
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Yep, you're right. That's the same reason that the current... wait... Penryn model :)p) didn't have it. Makes sense.

Same reason Apple would be out of their minds to implement an iSight in the 30" Cinema Display.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about that... ;)

liquidtrend said:
i was very curious on this. it sucks that theyre going with the nehalems IMO. wish you coulda been right about the newer chipset.

and considering that i think you are right about tylersburg...then they will have to wait for a complete redesign until they can release a newer chipset than the nehalems huh?
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HUH? is right. I have no idea what you're saying.

Look, they ARE using Nehalem (Gainestown) and Tylersburg now. They're just not using a FULL Tylersburg board.

Tylserburg has TWELVE DIMM slots, and the Mac Pro only has eight... MAX.

I KNEW that they couldn't fit all twelve in the same case.

I commend them, however, on how they DID redesign it. It's a masterpiece of engineering... but they've hit their limit, evidenced by the fact that they couldn't fit all the DIMM slots in there.
 
Tallest Skil said:
I was in a Physics lab during the announcement. I have just now had a chance to look it over.

Here is my response:

UTTER NONSENSE. COMPLETE, BAFFLING, BLASPHEMOUS NONSENSE.

What IS this?! Where do they get off?! What gives them the RIGHT to do this?!

Who in the... what in the... why.

Why. That's all. No more, no less. WHY.

WHY would they do this?

This tells us several things:

1. I was RIGHT. They COULD NOT fit the full Tylersburg into the current case. Why the didn't just make it longer, I'll never know.
2. I was RIGHT. They chose two 16x and two 4x over four 16x slots.
3. I was HALF-RIGHT. They put one DVI and one Mini DisplayPort on their graphics cards, meaning I only have to buy ONE adapter to use both of my displays.
4. We were SORT OF RIGHT. AirPort is still optional, for whatever unjust reason.
5. I was RIGHT. SATA SuperDrives, and faster, too.
6. I was RIGHT. No Blu-ray. :D
7.

In addition:

1. I was WRONG. 640GB standard instead of 500GB. I don't feel too bad. :D
2. I was WRONG. Radeon 4870 instead of GTX 260. The 4870 is slightly slower, apparently.
3. I was WRONG. NO Quadro option AT ALL. Strange...
4. I was WRONG. Four FireWire 800 instead of just two. Again, I don't feel bad about being wrong. :cool:

In addition, I was COMPLETELY right about the Mac Mini, so that is awesome.

I hope that these two threads show my critics that, while I am pessimistic, I'm generally RIGHT. Cool. This thread can be sent to the annals of history now. :D

Addendum:



Mhmm...:confused:



Very nice. :cool:

Addendum addendum:

Yes... Oh, yes... I'm still getting one today. I'll post specs once I have made my final decision on them, but I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting.
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What do you think, is the Australian price justifiable? I can get $400 off. That's roughly, $3,330 USD at this point in time (4 March, 2009.) Consider shipping and the dollar, do you think it's a reasonable price?
 
m1stake said:
A word of warning:

The final month may be upon us, but be ready for a Mac Pro with MacBook Air internals. These updates always seem to underwhelm.
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Haha, Apple! Haha! This is a pretty good joke you've got going here!

EDIT:

Anybody have any idea what a GT120 is? I couldn't care less as if I buy one of these I'll get a 4870 with it, but curiosity must be satisfied.

EDIT2: When you buy preinstalled software, do you get a retail disk of that software as well? For $50 I might be kind of open to getting iWork.
 
If you had to go with....

The older single quad 2.8GHz
The newer single quad 2.66GHz
The newer single quad 2.93GHz

...which one would you pick? Considering the 8Gb vs 32Gb of ram potential of the older model also.
 
is this machine worth it? i feel like the difference in speed wont be much, and this new machine doesnt "feel" new....

compare this machine to a standard 2.8 8 core with 2 gigs memory, etc.....
 
So, I just priced it out in a configuration that I would buy. I left out display and wifi. $50 wifi and a $230 increase over a Dell ultra-sharp is not unreasonable for getting a webcam and LED backlight in return.

2.66ghz bloomfield quad core (2499)
6GB of memory (150)
Radeon 4870 (200)
$2850

More or less your average Core i7 machine with ECC support. Dell will give you more or less the same configuration for $1550. Granted, they have to be using the using the Tylersburg DP Northbridge with all the configurations (assuming its not on the tray) and memory prices could very greatly depending on whether its registered or unbuffered ECC memory, though it seems to be he much cheaper unbuffered verity by the upgrade prices. Still, the 2.66ghz bloomfield costs half of what the 2.83ghz Harpertown did and the prices I've seen on the dual socket x58 boards aren't that much more than the 5400 boards. Either Apple has jacked up the margins significantly or they had some sort of discount deal with intel for Xeons and because of Apple using nvidia chipsets, intel is now making them pay full price.
 
sumowax said:
If you had to go with....

The older single quad 2.8GHz
The newer single quad 2.66GHz
The newer single quad 2.93GHz

...which one would you pick? Considering the 8Gb vs 32Gb of ram potential of the older model also.
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Older 2.8, no questions asked.
 
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