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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know

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Tallest Skil said:
I don't know about that... ;)
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I do. A very large percentage of ACD30 sales go to the aforementioned research labs in my experience (granted that's anecdotal), and they rarely allow cameras around sensitive stuff.

However, Apple has shown time and time again that they really don't give a god damn about real world usage and will go and do stupid stuff in the name of making something look pretty.
 
Come on, SOMEONE ANSWER ME :D

Base early 2008 (8x2,8) VS Base 2009

same price, what about specs? do they match up or dows the early 08 octo crush the 4core nehalem?

What if you consider snow leo which is multicorewhore?
 
Umbongo said:
2006 Mac Pro - $2,499 Two 2.66GHz dual core ($690 per processor) $1,119 + processors
2008 Mac Pro - $2,799 Two 2.80GHz quad core ($797 per processor) $1,205 + processors

2009 Mac Pro - $2,499 One 2.66GHz quad core ($284 per processor) $2,215 + processor
2009 Mac Pro - $3,299 Two 2.26GHz quad core ($373 per processor) $2,553 + processors

They have gone from good pricing to ridiculous.
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From my other post:

Prices before and after:

Early 2008:
4 x 2.8GHz ($2,299) (£1,399) ($1.64 = £1)
8 x 2.8GHz ($2,799) (£1,712) ($1.63 = £1)
8 x 3.0GHz ($3,599) (£2,202) ($1.63 = £1)
8 x 3.2GHz ($4,399) (£2,701) ($1.63 = £1)

Early 2009:
4 x 2.66GHz ($2,499) (£1,899) ($1.32 = £1)
4 x 2.93GHz ($2,999) (£2,299) ($1.30 = £1)
8 x 2.26GHz ($3,299) (£2,499) ($1.32 = £1)
8 x 2.66GHz ($4,699) (£3,619) ($1.30 = £1)
8 x 2.93GHz ($5,899) (£4,579) ($1.29 = £1)
 
Tallest Skil said:
I hope that these two threads show my critics that, while I am pessimistic, I'm generally RIGHT. Cool. This thread can be sent to the annals of history now. :D
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:cool:

I'm even more optimistic about pessimism now!

robinp said:
basically, I don't believe the performance increase of nehalem = price increase. Totally shafting us
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Which is basically the other half of the Nehalem vs. Core 2 performances. Even if you do get "2x performance," you don't pay the same price.
 
Ploki said:
Come on, SOMEONE ANSWER ME :D

Base early 2008 (8x2,8) VS Base 2009

same price, what about specs? do they match up or dows the early 08 octo crush the 4core nehalem?

What if you consider snow leo which is multicorewhore?
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In apps that will take advantage of the extra cores, most likely, the latter.
 
Woohoo! :D

also apps that take advantage of RAM. :D
i cant believe it has the same ram limit as friggin mbp !?
 
i think this release is a rush release, due to the lack of updates on the mac pro...


i think i might wait another six months or so... i think the next update will be THE update... new body style, etc..

when we got the new macbook and macbook pros, it was an event..a big deal..a big change... this new mac pro, is not a big change..

also, i think apple is aware that consumers dont understand the idea of virtual cores... even though i do believe a large portion of mac pro buyers are professionals who might understand, none the less. i am torn...i might just not by this model.... i cant see the 8 core machine, being priced the way it is, being WORTH the price. this doesnt feel right to me... can someone elaborate either in my favor or prove me wrong? dont you guys feel like this update is just a quick update? i mean the 30 in display is still the same, wtf?!
 
Hey guys,

What happened ?:) Where are those 16cores XEONs ? I thought new macPros will have new 8cores CPUs,1 single CPU = 8cores.

and whats up with all those prices. I just checked official apple site and the moment if u get Two 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon the price jumps to $6,919.00, are u kidding me........

What do they think at Apple, that all of us split cocaine everyday and thats how we make our $$$...
 
The $2500 starter is basically what I would go to Micro Center and buy all the parts for if I wanted to replace my PC. Not so bad. Unfortunately, that PC would be something like $1800 retail.

Here's what I'm considering:

Single Quad 2.66 ($500 for your 2.93 upgrade? LOL)
6GB
(Considering a third party RAID card again because of the dip in price, I'm betting on a sub $2,000 employee purchase price in May)
640GB HDD, Depending on what brand it is I'll probably sell it and buy some drives that don't suck.
HP 2475W 24" Screen (Thanks nano!)
AirPort
Maybe iWork 09
Apple Care (It's cut in half for the purchase programs, $125 isn't bad)

$3197 retail without the screen.

God damn, I've got half a mind to just but the 2.8 and throw a 4870 in there.
 
Is intel dropping the existing CPUs, forcing an early apple upgrade?

Maybe the better upgrade is waiting on snow leopard?
 
Mac Pro Update

I waited for a new system until MacWorld, but went ahead afterwards and bought an 8-core Mac Pro. My old PC had died, so I had to have something. I'm not sorry now, though I was worried about it for a while. I don't run any professional applications or memory-constrained apps, so I think the 8-core will last me a long time. I got it for $2600 total, so not bad when you consider the $200-300 in taxes normally. I got twelve months no payments or interest, and anticipate the memory prices on the old units to be lower, so I don't feel too bad! :D ...and it should still run Snow Leopard for another punch in performance!

For those interested, it's still available on the Amazon site with free shipping: http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MA970LL...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1236096795&sr=8-1
 
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grue said:
I assure you, most of them are just people who buy a tool and know nothing about it.
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I dunno... I bought my MacPro v1.1 and didn't know anything other than it had Xeons in it.

Of course I soon upgraded it myself to x5355 procs, 8Gig RAM, and flashed a decent graphics card. Selling off the old; I ended up with an 8 core 2.66, 8Gigs, 1TB 3Drive RAID0 + 1TB single, and a 8800 Nvidia all for just under $3k.

I think Apple blew it on the prices too but 16 virtual cores sounds like fun. Maybe if we all boycott the new units till they drop $300 off of both they'll get it and do it??

BTW, anyone know specifically what processor numbers they're using?
 
grue said:
Older 2.8, no questions asked.
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I am a Mac enthusiast with LITTLE (ok, almost none) tech savvy, so pls be kind to this honest question: Today I expect delivery of a Apple store 2008 refurb single cpu 2.8 MacPro that I bought last week.

Buyers Lament being what it is, I have been following this thread daily and
now am wondering if :

1.. my decision to get the above was just rookie dumb luck...I think I know the answer to this....

2. if for some reason I would want to sell the above machine ...which is doubtful but not impossible...would this refurb now, considering todays MacPro's news, be even more desirable?

Now remember I barely know the difference between a front size bus and
bus sized front....
 
Trev311 said:
Did they lower the cache sizes too? The 2009 models say 8 MB L3 cache but don't mention the L2 which on the 2008 was 12 MB.
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I believe the cache situation may be as described here:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3448&p=4

But do correct me if I'm wrong.

Trev311 said:
I wouldn't mind going for the low end 4-core but I would need WAY more ram than 8 GB. This and the price and quite frustrating.
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Yes. Also, another CPU cannot be added to the 4-core system.
The existing chip cannot be used in a dual socket configuration.
 
kevink2 said:
Is intel dropping the existing CPUs, forcing an early apple upgrade?

Maybe the better upgrade is waiting on snow leopard?
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very possible. I think we need to look at the business aspect of apple, as this move doesn't seem very consumer oriented. Remember how they released the new macbook and macbook pro? This release, should have been something similar, especially for the new mac pro (the damn exterior is near what, 4 years old now?).

I think I am going to upgrade the memory I have in my current computer, and wait this out. I would not be surprised if this ends up being like the last mac pro situation. They release mac pros, then update them to all have 8 cores in 2008. I also believe the next version will have a major exterior re-design, something that I would be very unhappy with if I in fact bought this computer.

I think it comes down to whether or not your willing/can wait a while for the new one. I just do not see the new mac pros being worth what they are being offered at.

I also think that the pro users who buy machines to do cinema work for the most part, have no idea what type of computer their buying. They just know its the "Fastest mac". When they look and see the new mac pro has a slower clock speed, and the same amount of cores, it could deter a user from buying the machine. If i knew little about computers, and went to the apple site this morning, I would have laughed to myself and said "wtf, apples retarded."

This update of the mac pro reminds me of the release of the macbook air. Useless, and would have been more beneficial for apple to wait, and get it right, then pull something out of their ass. Apple hasnt even changed the mac pro portion of the website entirely (still some pictures from the previous model). This is an indicator apples being sloppy on this one, which isnt like apple......

I apologize for any grammatical/spelling errors, I am in a rush to school (pretty ironic).
 
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