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Yikes. That seems to go against everything I've read coming from the owner. He was at pains to say how committed he was to the club and how strong his local roots were. It seems like a bolt from the blue.
I've mentioned before that I was a little cautious about the owners – based in part on the fact that previous chairmen have veered between the inept and the downright corrupt. Right now no one knows what's going on – the only official word from the club is that they're aware of the speculation but are making no further comment at this time. Really, the fact that they're saying nothing says a hell of a lot.

Of equal concern is the rumour that – as well as Barmby – Pearson (Adam) is heading out of the door as well. If that's true and he's not there to try and temper the owners we could be heading for serious bother.
 
Also something to keep in mind: today, at age _26_,he is already the 6th best german national squad striker of all time, 5 goals more and he would be _3rd_ behind Klose and Gerd Müller

Any player who deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Gerd Müller has got to be pretty good!

...the only official word from the club is that they're aware of the speculation but are making no further comment at this time. Really, the fact that they're saying nothing says a hell of a lot.

Indeed. By saying nothing they might as well be screaming Fire! in a crowded theater. Both engender similar levels of panic. I hope the rumors of Barmby and Pearson going are just that - rumors. But with the club remaining silent it seems certain that something unpleasant is going down behind closed doors.
 
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Any player who deserves to be mentioned in the same sentence as Gerd Müller has got to be pretty good!

which is unfair to Müller though since he retired voluntary at the age of 29(!) from the national squad after winning the world cup 1974

i just looked again through the wikipedia site about Gerd and his career statistics simply are mind boggling today:
_12_ years in a row he scored more than 30 season goals (of those: 6 times he scored more than 40 season goals)
 
Never seen a Utd team play so averagely. Good to see Mancini standing his ground against Fergie too, few do that.

Fergie should've started with Wellbeck, Young and Valencia. Dunno what he was doing playing with zero width against a team that is efficient at narrow play. Once Rooney was pocketed it became a matter of who will own midfield and that was never even a contest with the current midfield Utd have.
 
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This Manchester derby is incredibly dull. Angry, tense - but dull football. Even Fergie Time has been dull so far. I really wished Mancini and Fergie had got into a real fight...that would have pepped things up a bit.

EDIT: And City win it 1-0. But in order to win the league, City will have to win all of their remaining games or match Utd's points haul and maintain their superior goal difference. And United definitely have easier opponents for the run-in.

i just looked again through the wikipedia site about Gerd and his career statistics simply are mind boggling today:
_12_ years in a row he scored more than 30 season goals (of those: 6 times he scored more than 40 season goals)

These kinds of stats seem more common in past, which leads me to believe that the difference in skill between average and elite players was greater in the past than it is today. But of course, that doesn't change the fact that Gerd Müller was a truly exceptional player.
 
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oscillatewildly said:

He's outstanding at managing a league campaign, but on several occasions of late he has seemed to fumble a bit in one-off matches.

Just about calmed down. The game was over the moment the line up was decided - on hearing the team selection, numbness turned to anger. What was he thinking? It was the midfield nobody on Manchester United forums etc. wanted to see - Scholes, Giggs and Park at the same time. 2 together is bad enough, 3? Maybe a few years ago. Add Nani - back from injury - and you have 4 players who need substituting. Problem, only 3 can be replaced. And if someone else is injured? There's the energy level when they are on the pitch! Evra was exposed to the overlap time and time again. If they'd had a go and lost - the players daneoni mentions, maybe Valencia at right back to really attack one side - but that. Needs a number 2 prepared to say to Ferguson, 'Are you insane?'.

Help us, Papiss Cisse; you're our only hope. Should've kept quiet about the Newcastle United defence. :eek:

Shinji Kagawa may help next season.

Cheers,
OW
 
Just about calmed down. The game was over the moment the line up was decided - on hearing the team selection, numbness turned to anger. What was he thinking? It was the midfield nobody on Manchester United forums etc. wanted to see - Scholes, Giggs and Park at the same time.

Some have noted that United lined up looking very much the way they have done in Europe this season. In one sense this is logical; it's the formation Ferguson appears to consider the best for one-off matches or knockout competitions. But given their record in Europe this season you'd think he would not trust this formation in such a crucial match.

Help us, Papiss Cisse; you're our only hope. Should've kept quiet about the Newcastle United defence. :eek:

The match against Newcastle will be huge. Both teams will really want to win that one.
 
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I've heard it would be a loan deal to Bremen and a likely candidate is Lukaku.

that would be a dream come true, however the Bremen manager as well as Lukaku's advisor already denied that rumor. My guess would be Benayoun, although I read that he would rather stay in the PL....gonna be an interesting summer for Bremen with half the squad sold and gone......
 
Pearson (Adam) gone...
Yep. No further word on Barmby though, I suspect this is because matters here are in the hands of the LMA and neither party is saying anything at present 'for legal reasons'. Talk already is that Billy Davies is waiting in the wings ready to don a monogrammed Tigers benchcoat as soon as the situation with Barmby is sorted.

The club apparently isn't up for sale though, which at the moment I can't decide is a positive or not.

Between them, Barmby and Pearson (Adam) had 18 years experience at Hull City and are both held in extremely high regard by supporters. Bang, both gone – and we're now completely in the hands of a couple of businessmen who may be very good at flogging diesel generators but who haven't shown they know anything about running a football club. Superb.

The next inevitable step is for one of our better players to go to Leicester City for peanuts. My money's on either Robert Koren or James Chester.
 
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Brentford 1 - 2 Sheffield Wednesday
Keith Treacy (38')
Clayton Donaldson (pen 62')
Miguel Angel Llera (66')


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GOALS
18 Madine
8 Lowe
7 Reda
5 Marshall
5 O'Grady
5 Antonio
4 Jones
4 J.Johnson
4 Lines
4 Llera
2 Bennett
2 Prutton
2 Batth
1 Sedgwick
1 Morrison
1 Palmer
1 McGoldrick
1 O'Connor
1 Buxton
1 Semedo
1 Ranger
1 Treacy




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6 Marshall
4 Semedo
4 Buxton
4 Antonio
3 Treacy
2 Bennett
2 Morrison
2 Otsemobor
2 O'Grady
2 Palmer
2 R.Jones
2 Llera
2 J.Johnson
1 Prutton
1 Madine
1 O'Connor
1 Bywater
1 Lowe
1 M.Jones
1 Batth


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UP THE OWLS!
 
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Lord Blackadder said:
oscillatewildly said:
Just about calmed down. The game was over the moment the line up was decided - on hearing the team selection, numbness turned to anger. What was he thinking? It was the midfield nobody on Manchester United forums etc. wanted to see - Scholes, Giggs and Park at the same time.

Some have noted that United lined up looking very much the way they have done in Europe this season. In one sense this is logical; it's the formation Ferguson appears to consider the best for one-off matches or knockout competitions. But given their record in Europe this season you'd think he would not trust this formation in such a crucial match.

oscillatewildly said:
Help us, Papiss Cisse; you're our only hope. Should've kept quiet about the Newcastle United defence. :eek:

The match against Newcastle will be huge. Both teams will really want to win that one.

It was the personnel over the formation.

Relying on another team is weak, but I'm crossing as much as I can they have the players and energy after the Chelsea game.

Jaffa Cake - hope it's just a bust up, not financial.

Hearing bad news, not from the papers - my source for the Pogba and Berbatov post :eek: , but from someone linked; Darren Fletcher is to retire. :( Whatever, I hope his health improves.

Edit - further discussion with still distraught younger relative reveals her friend's - the connected - report of Fletcher's shaking head was taken as definite retirement. I should stick to facts, like the news the Martian sweeper Marvin has been signed. :eek:

Cheers,
OW
 
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It gets worse! I just beat you guys 6-1 on Fifa 12 with an understrength Wednesday squad on the iPad on the way to work ;)

OR, you could say that once again the spoiled primadonnas who are the Chelsea squad revolted against being told what to do and only started playing better when the impatient Abramovich got rid of the guy the players disliked and replaced him with a 'yes man' who lets John Terry & Co. do as they please.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle of course. I think AVB was intended to be for the long-term, but the birthing pains surrounding the switch to a new system were too severe for Abramovich to stomach.
A more seasoned manager (such as myself, see above ;) ) Would have let the primadonnas have their say, let them win the games (as clearly they're capable of) and shipped them off at the end of the season :)

As for Woy, I'm not against him as a manager, and he certainly has the international experience, I just feel Harry can get more from lesser players, playing as a team, and that's something we need badly! :)
 
I'll be watching in the hope that aliens abduct both teams and they are never seen again. Failing abduction, the lesser of two evils is Liverpool; Chelsea have more despicable players.

The build up was better in days gone by; preview the night before, It's A Knockout and quiz for the fans, reporters on the team buses...

Macrumors Football Thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1163140/

Cheers,
OW
 
I'll be watching in the hope that aliens abduct both teams and they are never seen again. Failing abduction, the lesser of two evils is Liverpool; Chelsea have more despicable players.

The build up was better in days gone by; preview the night before, It's A Knockout and quiz for the fans, reporters on the team buses...

Macrumors Football Thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1163140/

Cheers,
OW

Actually, it is not so much that Chelsea have more 'despicable' players, as the fact that Chelsea has a more 'despicable' owner, and the players tend to take their cue from him.

For that and other reasons, I would like to see Liverpool win this game.
 
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As for Woy, I'm not against him as a manager, and he certainly has the international experience, I just feel Harry can get more from lesser players, playing as a team, and that's something we need badly!

I don't see Hodgson fundamentally changing the squad in terms of call-ups, and given that I don't see England doing much better in the Euros than they did in South Africa...I think Harry seems a better motivator, but he makes bizarre tactical decisions at times. He'd get his players playing well, but he might not play them properly. One thing that really counts against Woy is that everyone continues to talk about Redknapp. Every time Roy makes a mistake people will claim Redknapp would have done better.

I think Redknapp should have been given the chance to fail (and I think he would have) in order to exorcise this Harry Redknapp mania.

One uncomfortable truth in this whole affair remains. Capello is a better manager than any potential replacement. He didn't work out in the end, but it was not due to incompetence.

Between them, Barmby and Pearson (Adam) had 18 years experience at Hull City and are both held in extremely high regard by supporters. Bang, both gone – and we're now completely in the hands of a couple of businessmen who may be very good at flogging diesel generators but who haven't shown they know anything about running a football club. Superb.

I wonder what the fight is really about, but it sounds ugly.
 
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One uncomfortable truth in this whole affair remains. Capello is a better manager than any potential replacement. He didn't work out in the end, but it was not due to incompetence.
No, Capello's record as a manager – at club level at least – is excellent. Whilst he made mistakes with England, the problems we have with our national side run far deeper than the choice of manager.

If we're going to handcuff ourselves in terms of nationality, I think Hodgson is the best English manager available. He might not have the tabloid support Redknapp enjoys, but instead he has vast experience in managing across Europe, both in terms of club and international football. Reading quotes from the players who have worked with him over the years in various countries, and what comes up again and again is that he has a meticulous eye for detail, puts a lot of work into preparing his team in every way possible, and will get involved in developing players at all levels – something which will be of importance to the FA with the new St George's Park about to open its doors. He's also got credit time and time again for getting the best out of players who maybe aren't the most skilful or talented, a quality that it could be argued will hold him in good stead as England manager. ;)

I'm not a particular fan of Hodgson's, but he's the best we've got by some margin – and I'm appalled at the reaction he's got from much of the media over the past few days. It seems as though the knives are out for him already, it appears simply because he's not Redknapp.

I wonder what the fight is really about, but it sounds ugly.
It seems to boil down to Barmby publicly stating he wanted the owners to match his ambition for the team – the Allams were apparently angered by him saying such things in the open. With him suspended – and a replacement Billy Davies apparently lined up in quick measure – the Allams then moved to remove his key ally, Pearson (Adam). It's worthwhile remembering that Pearson and Davies worked together at Derby County, and to say that their relationship is frosty is an understatement.

I'm hearing a few other things this evening which are unconfirmed but – if true – I'm going to be incredibly, incredibly pissed off about. :(
 
England still haven't found a replacement to Sven 'i slept-with-my-assistant' Eriksson. IMHO.

I didn't see Redknapp doing too well...the same way I don't see Woy doing too well...the same way i never saw Capello doing much.

Simply because England don't have a Managerial problem.
 
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