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The 2012-2013 Football Thread

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daneoni said:
Wenger has unshakable faith.
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By the look of his eyes I'd say no, he doesn't.


But let's hope for the sake of the game that it'll change and FFP works. I just don't see it. At all. As long football is big money entertainment it will stay that way. I mean after Havelange, everybody thought ok now it'll get better, but Blatter, now Platini..they are all the same. Too late, seems I'm getting desperate.
But Hertha won yeah..
 
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The concept of a salary cap has been mooted and I'm all for it. Financial controls make leagues much more internally competitive; it's harder for a club to build a dynasty - but it is also easier for any given club to win titles.

The people who will oppose this are those owners, players, agents and hangers-on who are making lots of money off of football and sadly some of those people are the very people who'd need to be in favor of it for it to actually happen. I don't share Wenger's faith.

I'm frustrated with some parts of the way MLS works but I think it is set up with "financial fair play" concepts in mind that are light years ahead of how business is done in European football, with the notable exception of Germany.
 
Tonight the Netherlands starts it's bid to take part in the World Cup 2014.
The match is against Turkey.
Tonights match in Amsterdam has brought some team selection surprises, both Klaas Jan Huntelaar and Maarten Stekelenburg dropped, their places taken by Robin van Persie and Tim Krul.
It also looks like Luuk de Jong has got the nod from Louis van Gaal.
 
Fizzoid said:
EVERTON? Really? Considering they've spent about £1.50 over the last 3 seasons, I thought they'd be all for financial restrictions 🙂
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yes but their income is £1.42 unless they sell their next teenage sensation to United so they may as well oppose anything Liverpool want
 
Tonight: Germany - Feroe Islands (World Cup Qualification)

Lahm is back and surprisingly will take his place as right wing defender (as he plays at Bayern, in the national team he usually plays left wing defender).

Reus and Götze in, too.

Mertesacker (right inner defender) is a surprise, too, since Löw said he wanted to leave him at Arsenal.

Though this should be an easy walk through, one can imagine what the aftermath would be, if they lost.

(edit: forgot to finish sentence)
 
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Merte is playing because Schmelzer, supposed to be LB, is injured.
This will be a goal fest.

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re: all those pitiful players. here are some Gunners having fun times:

 
Hm, don't know what to think of this. Seemed to be not that easy at certain situations, as everyone seemed to have expected 🙂
 
Meanwhile, we're clearly going to win the World Cup. The rest of you may as well pack up now. 😉
 
Poor Germany could only manage 3 goals against the Faroe Islands, while mighty England struck 5 past Moldova. I think we all know where these two footballing powerhouses stand in relation to each other now...😉
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Poor Germany could only manage 3 goals against the Faroe Islands, while mighty England struck 5 past Moldova. I think we all know where these two footballing powerhouses stand in relation to each other now...😉
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I'd have always thought the Faroe Islands better than Moldavia to be honest. 😎
 
Happybunny's boys rolled out winners against the Turks, with that insufferable turncoat RVP getting a goal after just 16 minutes. Rebirth and redemption for the Dutch?
 
Fizzoid said:
From that article:

Fulham and more surprisingly EVERTON? Really? Considering they've spent about £1.50 over the last 3 seasons, I thought they'd be all for financial restrictions 🙂
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I think the only reason Everton would be against financial fair play is because they know they are a solid team at developing talent and then selling said talent at a PREMIUM. I think this is the only reason they are against it. I dont think its because they want to be big spenders, because honestly with their small ownership group, they dont come close to a fraction of available funds like the Chelsea's, Man City's and Man Uniteds.

Sure id love to have a rich oil daddy buy Everton and create a super club (lets be honest any football fan would like this with their club) but I dont see it happening.

Question to Lord Blackadder since I know you follow MLS as I do, what is your take on the famous "allocation money" tag MLS likes to throw around? Do you think it hurts or helps the league?
 
2020mike said:
Looks like Moyes isn't done yet, looks like a late season long loan for Belgian international Vadis Odjidja-Ofoe is pending FA approval since it came in after deadline. If this pans out rumors are bound to start floating around that Bill Kenwright is dying therefore spending money on the club.
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Follow up, looks like FIFA has refused to allow this move to happen. Thanks FIFA, hope your ego and self worth have been inflated.

Disclosure: I would be against FIFA involvement if they did this to ANY team, I'm not merely a bitter Everton fan on this one.

Source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/conversation?id=1154151&cc=5901

EDIT: US fall 2-1 to Jamacia boo
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Happybunny's boys rolled out winners against the Turks, with that insufferable turncoat RVP getting a goal after just 16 minutes. Rebirth and redemption for the Dutch?
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Well the Netherlands began with a win and for that I'm thankful.

Louis van Gaal selected seven new players, the whole defense except for Johnny Heitinga was new to this level. The first few minutes it really looked like the Turks would score an early goal, which would have made the game very difficult for us. There was very little coordination in the midfield and the final ball was easily cut out by the Turkish defense.
The goal came from a corner, RvP was able to slip his marker and score. But this did not settle the Dutch team if anything it made things worse. Bruno Martins Indi and keeper Tim Krul got into a real mix up and Indi nearly scored an own goal. Because we lost control of the midfield, the Turks were able attack at will, only the final finish and the crossbar stopped us from going behind.
The Dutch defense showed the typical flaw, they to often forget that they are defenders. They all trying to support the forwards, this is great when your team can keep control of the ball. But it makes for some very interesting moments in front of your own goal. (This flaw goes back to the Dutch master team of the early 70s, and the concept of total football)
The attacking play of the Dutch team was so predictable that the Trukish defenders were always ready. Arjen Robben is a liitle past is best at this level, that speed that once left defenders in his wake has finally gone. The searching passes from Wesley Sneijder and the runs from Robin V Persie, are so well documented that the Trukish defence was never really in any problem.
In the second half the Dutch team played with a little more settled nerves. There was far more ball control in the mid field which took the pressure of the defense. In the last ten minutes, when all the Dutch team did was soak up the never ending Turkish attacks, we got a lucky break. In one counter attack Luciano Narsingh scored.

One thing that did spring out was that this team, has got back at least some of the old team spirit. I know that's easy after a win, but still there were no players complaining to the press about team mates. (So thats a plus right)

All in all the match was far better than I had expected, but we are going to have to play a lot better in the future.
 
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2020mike said:
I think the only reason Everton would be against financial fair play is because they know they are a solid team at developing talent and then selling said talent at a PREMIUM. I think this is the only reason they are against it.
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I was thinking this myself – by backing limiting the spending of clubs above them they could potentially be biting the hand that feeds them.
 
Jamaica 2-1 USA

Clint Dempsey scored after 36 seconds. Then Jamaica knocked in two free kicks and won the match. Klinsmann was wary of Jamaica's pacy players, and had obviously taken a conservative approach to this away match. Unfortunately it meant that we were not very effective when we had to chase the game. The absences of Donovan and Bradley were felt, though we should have be able to get a result here without them.

Now we head to Columbus Crew Stadium for the return leg, a venue where USA have never been beaten. This time we need to win to ensure a place in the next round of qualifiers. Credit to Jamaica for their first win over the US, but I hope we crush them on Tuesday.


2020mike said:
Question to Lord Blackadder since I know you follow MLS as I do, what is your take on the famous "allocation money" tag MLS likes to throw around? Do you think it hurts or helps the league?
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I wish the system were more transparent, but I don't think it has a huge effect either way, so long as the amount of money involved remains relatively small (we're talking about a few hundred thousand USD here and there, not millions of pounds). I'm not sure how well the system scales up when it comes to premier league amounts of money.

Jaffa Cake said:
I was thinking this myself – by backing limiting the spending of clubs above them they could potentially be biting the hand that feeds them.
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It's a fair point. However, limiting the outrageous amounts of money being spent of players to saner levels should also increase the effective spending power of smaller clubs (at least on paper).
 
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