But he would not be complaining if the rule went in the Pats favor. In fact I doubt he would have even brought it up.
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Except for the fact that the tuck rule was on the books for a while, wasn't changed on the website two hours after the game or poorly explained to teams, and was called on plenty of other teams. Hell, even the Patriots had the tuck rule called AGAINST them in week 2 of that 2001 season (against the JETS in the game that Lewis hit Bledsoe and started Brady's career) leading up to that 2002 playoff game against Oakland that made the rule famous.
Here the league failed to correctly inform it's teams about a new rule. The proof is there. Two hours after this game ended on that field goal the Jets got a second chance at because of that botched call, there was still the text on NFL.com containing the misleading rule and the video of the VICE PRESIDENT OF OFFICIATING explaining that rule, saying that it's only eliminating pushing from the 2nd level and not if the player was on the line of scrimmage.
So there's two possible scenarios, either the refs botched the call, or the league botched explaining the new rule to teams and fans and then edited their website to try to cover it up.
Why the NFL changed the words is beyond me but I understand it.
During a field goal attempt there are always SS and LB's leaning way forward on and sometimes over the linemen. If one of them pushes a lineman forward it then becomes illegal. Doesn't matter if they are called "second line" or strong safeties they are still right over the lineman's shoulder often leaning on them.
It should be illegal.
During a field goal attempt there are always SS and LB's leaning way forward on and sometimes over the linemen. If one of them pushes a lineman forward it then becomes illegal. Doesn't matter if they are called "second line" or strong safeties they are still right over the lineman's shoulder often leaning on them.
It should be illegal.
Yeah, I agree. But in this case it wasn't an LB or a SS, it was another defensive lineman who was lined up next to the guy he "pushed" when the ball was snapped. And since the league's website and VP of officiating were on record saying it was only illegal if the player wasn't on the line of scrimmage at the snap, you can see where the complaint is. It's not like the complaint is over a subjective penalty (like pass interference) that cost them the game, it appears that the league was inconsistent in implementing a new rule and they're now trying to cover it up.
It doesn't look very good for the league when they have to go back on their website two hours after the game to change their website to support the way they made the call. Why was it the other way in the first place if this is truly what the rule is? And why was it explained to the teams and coaches that way?
He wasn't lined up next to the other lineman. He was lined up behind the other lineman. At the snap he moved to his right while pushing on the other lineman who got shoved into the guy.
Well the broncos lost by more than the Patriots did this week.
Pats played like crap and the Jets defense really stepped it up in the 2nd half. They deserved to lose the game.
That said, they were in a position to have a chance to win it at the end of the game, and that penalty call was ridiculous. The league botched that badly enough that they had to go onto their website two hours after the game to change the rule:
ESPN
Pretty shady move by the NFL here. What's worse? The refs botching the call or the league failing to correctly explain a new rule change to it's clubs, having it incorrect on their website, and then quietly changing it after a controversial call to cover it up?
It's been widely reported that the rule was correct and very specific in the NFL rulebook
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an article on NFL.com website is not official.... the rulebook is official and that has the rule correctly and was never changed. all teams have a hard copy on hand so belichick can go and read it. The league did not botch anything, the rule was proposed by the players... it was voted and approved by the owners and it was instituted..... the refs made the right call according to the rulebook.
if you go back and listen to Jones who committed the penalty after the game he clearly said that the rule was explained correctly to him in the preseason and he just forgot.... I think it was very classy of him to fess up and own it... now if only the fans of his team would come to that understanding as well.
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Blah, blah, homer, blah The lowly Jets kicked their asses, plain and simple. Real Patriots teams don't find themselves in a desperate OT situation after having a 21-10 halftime lead, against a rookie QB no less.
Then why did the league have a video of the Vice President of Officiating explaining the rule incorrectly on their website?
I know that the rule was called correctly but that doesn't change the fact that the league screwed up in informing people correctly about this new rule. If the VP of officiating is in a video on their website explaining the rule incorrectly to fans, you can see where the suspicion comes from. There's no excuse for a $9 billion a year industry to have these kind of inconsistencies.
Broncos 6-1
Patriots 5-2
Homer.
Funny thing about that is the Patriots, Bengals, and Colts all have worse records than the Broncos, but since the Broncos aren't the best team in their division, if the division leaders remain the same, when the playoffs start Denver would be going on the road for a wild card game week 1 to face either Indy or NE.
Still a lot of football to be played though.
I know he misinterpreted the rule, I never said otherwise. If you notice the first article I posted about it from ESPN it says the same thing.
That doesn't change the fact that the VP of Officiating was in a video on their website that explained the rule wrong that was conveniently deleted after the game.
Why doesn't the league's VP of Officiating know his own league's rules?
EDIT: I saw this on twitter. Not my graphic but might as well post it.
zero consistency.
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Why does that even matter? as long as the ref on the field calling it knows the right rule and calls it correctly it doesn't matter whats on the NFL website. You keep harping on that but it is absolutely meaningless.
Because a $9 billion dollar a year industry should have some consistency when it comes to explaining and interpreting new rules?
If the VP of Officiating doesn't even correctly understand his own rule, then how are we supposed to know if the NFL reps that met with each team in training camp to explain the new rules were doing it consistently for every team?
The fact that Chris Jones, who started the year with the Bucs, had a different interpretation than the Patriots players and coaches illustrates the confusion.
Maybe Belichick should bring his cameras out again so he can see the line-up better..
oops..too soon ?
oops..too soon ?
This is why the homer tag stuck on you. Give it up.
Too bad we weren't in this forum when the tuck rule happened. I'd bet everything I have you would have defended that call in at least a dozen posts and we'd all be feasting on steaming bowls of claim chowdah.
Glad I didn't get to see the game.
Congrats, nerds. But that just means we split the season series.
I'm actually not as annoyed by this game as I normally would be. Gronk seemed to play well for his first game back, that makes me really happy. When Talib is in there, it's a different defense, though without Wilfork I worry about the run defense moving forward. But it's not a huge surprise, the Jets always seem to play the Patriots well. Oh well. Always things to improve on, and hopefully they will.
Sorry to see all the injuries this week with Sam Bradford and Reggie Wayne suffering torn ACLs, and Doug Martin out for the year with a shoulder injury.
Congrats, nerds. But that just means we split the season series.
I'm actually not as annoyed by this game as I normally would be. Gronk seemed to play well for his first game back, that makes me really happy. When Talib is in there, it's a different defense, though without Wilfork I worry about the run defense moving forward. But it's not a huge surprise, the Jets always seem to play the Patriots well. Oh well. Always things to improve on, and hopefully they will.
Sorry to see all the injuries this week with Sam Bradford and Reggie Wayne suffering torn ACLs, and Doug Martin out for the year with a shoulder injury.
Whatever. If this call went against a Manning everyone would be furious.
Too bad we weren't in this forum when the tuck rule happened. I'd bet everything I have you would have defended that call in at least a dozen posts and we'd all be feasting on steaming bowls of claim chowdah.
Not even remotely close to the same situation.
Glad I didn't get to see the game.
Congrats, nerds. But that just means we split the season series.
I'm actually not as annoyed by this game as I normally would be. Gronk seemed to play well for his first game back, that makes me really happy. When Talib is in there, it's a different defense, though without Wilfork I worry about the run defense moving forward. But it's not a huge surprise, the Jets always seem to play the Patriots well. Oh well. Always things to improve on, and hopefully they will.
Our defense is hurting big time without Mayo. He was the most important player on that D, even more than Talib and Wilfork.
How about Cushing too? Tears his ACL in the same knee he did last year. I don't understand why the NFL bans diving at the knees of quarterbacks but not other players. Hits like that could end a career.
I forgot about Mayo, wishful/selective thining on that one. And yes, I agree missing him hurts more than Wilfork right now, but disagree re: Talib. He's a difference maker and it's a completely different scenario when he's out there. I think they're equally important, I am just glad Talib will be back. But yeah, Mayo is a big blow.
But it's been bloody Sunday in the NFL as of late, so, what are you going to do.
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I felt horrible when I saw that. I remember how emotional he was about the Schaub getting booed thing, and you could see it was because he knows what a toll injuries take on a player. Really unfortunate, hope he can bounce back again.
That call didn't go against a Manning. Or a Brady. It went against the special teams. And let's be honest....this ranting over what was a real penalty (albeit confusing apparently) a week after an obvious (strangle hold) wasn't called on your guy which helped win a game is amazingly hypocritical.
Sometimes you get calls and sometimes you don't. Mostly they even out (though many would say the Pats have gotten more than their fair share of no calls). Acting like there is some kind of conspiracy against the Pats is laughable. Bottom line is the Jets beat them in mostly every facet yesterday.
That was tough to watch for the second year in a row. The guy is the emotional leader of that defense and when he got hurt last year, the defense sucked. Badly. It's been a nightmare of a season so far for the texans, but in the long run changes have to be made. And having a bad year may speed the process.
Keenum looked really impressive against a really good NFL defense. He was able to extend plays with his legs that Schaub just couldn't. And the ability to go downfield is also something Schaub can't do.
I know people in Houston love him, and I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon yet, but he was good enough to get another start even if Schaub is healthy. At 2-5, it's a great way to see if he may be the answer over the next 9 games. And if he isn't, there's a loaded QB class in the draft next year. I think you have to take a shot though. Maybe with a QB that can do some more things, we'll see Kubiak stop being so freaking conservative. He is the master of coaching not to lose. And at this point, all it's doing is helping them lose.
Let me be clear in saying I don't blame the stupid special teams call for the Patriots loss on Sunday. The Jets won because of 60 minutes. That said, this is a little bitch thing to do:
Source: Jets tipped officials on push
Gotta love the NFL. That said, I'm absolutely positive this won't be forgotten by New England if they see the Jets again this season. Part of me really, really, REALLY hopes they do.
And the Giants got their first win. Freeman looked really bad, but many analysts have said he could have used another week or two, and I agree. It's a shame Adrian Peterson is wasting his prime years going nowhere.
Source: Jets tipped officials on push
Gotta love the NFL. That said, I'm absolutely positive this won't be forgotten by New England if they see the Jets again this season. Part of me really, really, REALLY hopes they do.
And the Giants got their first win. Freeman looked really bad, but many analysts have said he could have used another week or two, and I agree. It's a shame Adrian Peterson is wasting his prime years going nowhere.
Agreed. The Vikings would have been better served by trotting out Cassel or Ponder rather than Freeman. Someone said it looked like Freeman had only been with the team for 9 minutes instead of 9 days.
To be fair....
Dolphins Alerted League To Personal Foul On Last-Second FG In Week 5
And I know we're probably both not objective about it, but what's wrong with alerting the officials? Especially if they're actually doing something illegal? I'm sure it happens more often than you would think (and it happens in other sports as well). I also think that the Jets got jobbed on some calls in the first game (again, I'm not completely objective) and that may have had something to do with it.
Do you really think that Bill B. wouldn't do the same to give his team a better chance of winning?