The 2013-14 NFL football season thread

[MacNut]

That was a great Super Bowl.

Any time Peyton falls flat on his face it provides great entertainment.

Congrats to the Seahawks.



Which numbers? I mean Peyton did break the record tonight for most postseason losses by a starting QB, so I guess in that category he is.

Regular season. They don't just take post season numbers into the Hall of Fame.

Who has better career stats?

 

[zioxide]

Regular season. They don't just take post season numbers into the Hall of Fame.

Who has better career stats?

What stats? Touchdowns? Passing Yards? Peyton will have more of those considering he's played in the league for more years and he had a stacked offense for more years.

How about the stats that matter? Winning percentage, post season winning percentage? Championships?

This was the biggest game of Peyton's life and his team came out and completely laid an egg. They got demolished.

Unless they come back and win it next year, Peyton secured the fact that he will never be considered the best of all time. It's Montana and Brady as 1A and 1B, and then everyone else.

 

[MacNut]

What stats? Touchdowns? Passing Yards? Peyton will have more of those considering he's played in the league for more years and he had a stacked offense for more years.

How about the stats that matter? Winning percentage, post season winning percentage? Championships?

This was the biggest game of Peyton's life and his team came out and completely laid an egg. They got demolished.

Unless they come back and win it next year, Peyton secured the fact that he will never be considered the best of all time. It's Montana and Brady as 1A and 1B, and then everyone else.

Brady over Unitas?

 

[Peace]

What stats? Touchdowns? Passing Yards? Peyton will have more of those considering he's played in the league for more years and he had a stacked offense for more years.

How about the stats that matter? Winning percentage, post season winning percentage? Championships?

This was the biggest game of Peyton's life and his team came out and completely laid an egg. They got demolished.

Unless they come back and win it next year, Peyton secured the fact that he will never be considered the best of all time. It's Montana and Brady as 1A and 1B, and then everyone else.

To be fair to Manning the Broncos just lost to what a lot of sports folks are saying now. One of the best defenses in NFL history.
I've been hesitant to agree with that thinking all those turnovers,pick six's and defensive plays were just lucky shots. Now I'm closer to the camp that this is just what they do. The Hawks defense is that good.

 

[MacNut]

To be fair to Manning the Broncos just lost to what a lot of sports folks are saying now. One of the best defenses in NFL history.
I've been hesitant to agree with that thinking all those turnovers,pick six's and defensive plays were just lucky shots. Now I'm closer to the camp that this is just what they do. The Hawks defense is that good.

The Seahawks might be the new dynasty in football. They are a young team that will be good for at least 5 years.

 

[zioxide]

Brady over Unitas?

He's right up there too along with a handful of others. The game was a lot different way back when he was playing though.

 

[Sydde]

The Seahawks might be the new dynasty in football. They are a young team that will be good for at least 5 years.

There are no dynasties. There are 31 teams right now plotting ways to pick off some of the Hawks talent, a few players will move on. Still, there family atmosphere that Carroll has in the locker room went a very long way to making this team work. These are the biggest bunch of unselfish players around, it is actually a team, it has no divas or prima donnas, just guys who want to work together to win. They probably could repeat, but now the rest of the league has painted a target on their backs, so I am not getting XLIX ink on my arm like that one guy did.

 

[maflynn]

The Seahawks might be the new dynasty in football. They are a young team that will be good for at least 5 years.

Dynasties are very difficult to create in this day and age of parity and salary cap.

I said last year that the SeaHawks looked formidable and if they got a couple of the missing pieces filled they'd be a potent team. Well, look what they did to Denver

It was such a blow out, I think the upper-mucky mucks of the NFL were disappointed as Im sure many people tuned to other channels given the forgone conclusion early in the 2nd quarter.

Heck the safety 2 seconds into the game was indicative of how bad a night it was going to be for Payton and team

 

[pachyderm]

The one i remembered being worst before this was the 49ers vs SD, that was ages ago, but this, i think this really topped that one, everything that could go wrong for denver did, everything that could go right for seattle did for most of the game.

Well earned by seattle, did not expect that score at all.

That was one of the worst Super Bowls I have watched over the years. The only exciting thing for me was the safety on the first play. After that it was a landslide. The commercials weren't that great either. I was expecting a close game. Oh well, lets move on to baseball season. The best time of the year (except maybe college football season). Go Red Sox!

Should of just watched the highlights.

if i'm a seahawks fan, and i'm not, that is how i want it to be. i never want it to be in doubt. screw the rest of you rubberneckers with no dog in the hunt just wanting a "good game".
a good game is my team winning by about 50!



poor little raiders...

 

[rdowns]

Wow, not even in my worst nightmare did I see Denver getting beat so badly.

Congratulations to the Seattle Seahawks on a great game.

Looks like you had pretty good seats.

 

[ucfgrad93]

The Seahawks might be the new dynasty in football. They are a young team that will be good for at least 5 years.

One Super Bowl win does not a dynasty make.

Looks like you had pretty good seats.

Yep, right in front of my TV.

 

[Huntn]

I had no emotional interest in this game. I rooted for the best performing team who deserved the win. Usually in a situation like this, I can root for both teams, when great plays are executed. As I think about those who spent a thousand or two to go see their favorite team lose and I say "no thanks". Over the years, I've found it best to step back from hardcore devotee-ism, too my heart aches, not enough payback.

Looks like you had pretty good seats.

A good "life" lesson.

 

[iLog.Genius]

If the Seahawks keep most of their defense intact, there is no reason why they couldn't repeat. This is not a team that got hot towards the end of the season and through the playoffs, they were this good all year - the talent is there and there is no reason why can't have a repeat performance next year.

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To be fair to Manning the Broncos just lost to what a lot of sports folks are saying now. One of the best defenses in NFL history.
I've been hesitant to agree with that thinking all those turnovers,pick six's and defensive plays were just lucky shots. Now I'm closer to the camp that this is just what they do. The Hawks defense is that good.

I agree. There have been some ridiculous comments out there post game like Brady would've done better. That is EXTREMELY laughable. That game belong to the Seahawks defense and no matter which QB you put in there, they weren't going to do anything. All year people were saying the Patriots only got as far as they did because of a weak offensive line and less-than-mediocre WR's. You think they would've faired any better against that Seattle defense? Please.

 

[63dot]

One Super Bowl win does not a dynasty make.

True, but the talent along with the very young age of the team is a very good thing, assuming they stay there and don't get career ending injuries.

The only dynasty we have right now in football is the one that has been there since 2001, the Patriots with their five appearances in the Super Bowl (and eight AFC Championship game appearances). Previous recent dynasties were the Cowboys and three Super Bowl wins in the 1990s and Niners in the decade before that. Those are three very highly set bars so it will be some time before this current crop of players with a respectable 11-5 year last year and the Super Bowl this year are called anything close to a dynasty. To me they would have to at least appear in three more Super Bowls, win or lose but at least one more win, and have five or more NFC Championship appearances in there for that label to stick. And before they are absolutely called the best defense of all time, they have to knock off several highly rated offensive teams and crush them and yesterday was only a start, even though a great start.

If I had to guess who will be the next dynasty who will chalk up multiple future appearances in the Super Bowls over the next decade+, it wouldn't surprise me if the Seahawks were up there. You have the #1 defense in a team that showed us what #1 can mean by shutting down possibly the best NFL offense of all time, you have a QB that is the only person to start his first two years over a 100 QB rating, and you have an amazing coach. On numbers alone the hawks have the ingredients. Wilson was amazing last night but the defense of Seattle was so good some say it overshadowed Wilson for the MVP. They could bask in glory for a lot of 2014 but it's all forgotten once the new season starts and they have to prove themselves all over again lest they become like a Baltimore Ravens who had a bad follow up year.

For the only team in professional sports I don't like to win it all last night wasn't so bad when they showed us all that defense, when played perfectly, is amazing to watch. I had to clap for them at times. Defense wins football games and now #1 defenses are 13 for 16 in Super Bowl titles versus appearances.

Peace, well played and congrats and even for evil Sherman I have to admit the guy put his all out there and then some.

 

[Sydde]

There have been some ridiculous comments out there post game like Brady would've done better. That is EXTREMELY laughable.

I can only imagine Tm Brady watching the game and thinking, "Thank you for beating us in the championship game, Denver, thank you, thank you, thank you." At least Brady looked respectable losing to the Giants. Manning apparently peaked ten years ago and is just on a slide now. Kind of sad, I guess.

 

[iLog.Genius]

I can only imagine Tm Brady watching the game and thinking, "Thank you for beating us in the championship game, Denver, thank you, thank you, thank you." At least Brady looked respectable losing to the Giants. Manning apparently peaked ten years ago and is just on a slide now. Kind of sad, I guess.

How do you figure he's on a slide? Brady looking respectable to the Giants doesn't mean anything unless you think both those Giants defenses that made it to the Super Bowl are even on the same level as what the Seahawks fielded yesterday, anyone can tell you they're not even close.

I'm not going to make any excuses for Manning, he and the offense had no solution for the Seahawks defense. But you compare what Manning went up against vs. what Brady saw, almost every play there were Seahawks lineman up in Manning's face which led to so many batted and tipped passes. And even when Manning made a completion, there was always a defender there, the Seahawks had a game plan and played it to a tee.

 

[63dot]

How do you figure he's on a slide? Brady looking respectable to the Giants doesn't mean anything unless you think both those Giants defenses that made it to the Super Bowl are even on the same level as what the Seahawks fielded yesterday, anyone can tell you they're not even close.

There's no way Manning is on a slide given the numbers he put up this year. It just goes to show how truly dominant the Seahawks D was yesterday. I put them up there with the NY Giants D with LT back in the day.

If you want to say his legacy is hurt, it is if being considered the best of all time. Kurt Warner put it into perspective yesterday and said if for the regular season, he's the best of all time but not the postseason. You can't be the best of all time and have two Super Bowl losses in just five years as what you are most recently remembered for. Sure, as they said for the Hall of Fame that gauges regular season stats no harm was done to Manning and HoF will only take into account the record season yards and TDs when thinking about this season and he's a shoe in. It's unlikely that anybody will rack up those types of numbers other than Brady or Brees. While Super Bowl wins are not the only measure and it's been discussed to death here, Deion Sanders and company did seem to agree that for "best of all time" you have to do what Montana and Bradshaw did and win those Super Bowls. It may not be the fairest of criteria because you could be a great QB but with no help. A certain part of being the greatest QB is that you had great running backs and receivers and were blessed with a defense that lowered the bar for how many points you had to put up during a game. Most were in agreement that Manning would probably go from top 5 or all time to be a contender for best of all time. A recent poll put Manning as best of all time with 59% percent saying yes, and this before the game.

If Manning were younger I would say it's a sure thing he will be back but unless he really tears it up next year, it's probably over for his chances like this. Some will say he had the chance yesterday but squandered it. The first play was not a good start but he did get his passes off quickly and played like he always had, but it's just that Seattle was there to stop the Denver receivers from getting much yardage after the catch and that was key. He still had 34 completions for 280 yards with his regular season average having been slightly more at 303 yard per game. Peyton didn't lose this game per se but Seattle's D won it. If Peyton had just 100 yards passing then I could say he truly choked and had a bad day compared to the 303 yards number. The way Seattle played yesterday, nobody could have beat them and this time the best team in the NFL won as expected with #1 defense and NFC #1 seed in playoffs so no real surprise there.

Do I still dislike Seattle? Yes, same as always. Do I respect them more? No, since I have always respected and feared them for the top defensive team they are and couldn't possibly respect their threat more. My team was a victim of an extreme defensive pounding from them so I already knew what they could do to a team with a good QB.

 

[bigjnyc]

I can only imagine Tm Brady watching the game and thinking, "Thank you for beating us in the championship game, Denver, thank you, thank you, thank you." At least Brady looked respectable losing to the Giants. Manning apparently peaked ten years ago and is just on a slide now. Kind of sad, I guess.

Actually he Peaked this year. He had his best season by far, broke QB records for yards and TD's and won an MVP.... Yeah very sad indeed

 

[zioxide]

I agree. There have been some ridiculous comments out there post game like Brady would've done better. That is EXTREMELY laughable. That game belong to the Seahawks defense and no matter which QB you put in there, they weren't going to do anything. All year people were saying the Patriots only got as far as they did because of a weak offensive line and less-than-mediocre WR's. You think they would've faired any better against that Seattle defense? Please.

Agreed, there's no way the Patriots would have beat Seattle. Seattle's clearly the best football team this year. The Pats had way too many weaknesses and without Tom Brady they wouldn't have even made the playoffs.

No way the Patriots would have won yesterday but I would like to think the game would have been at least a little bit more competitive. I don't think they would have given up as easy as Denver did, and I don't think Brady would have taken care of the ball better, but not like any of that matters anyways.


Seattle's defense is good no doubt, but Manning and the Broncos couldn't take care of the ball if their lives depended on it yesterday. Take away that careless pick-six Manning threw and that kickoff return to start the 2nd half and it's a totally different ball game.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Manning apparently peaked ten years ago and is just on a slide now. Kind of sad, I guess.

Did you watch any football this year, or you just being a homer?

Actually he Peaked this year. He had his best season by far, broke QB records for yards and TD's and won an MVP.... Yeah very sad indeed

Agreed. Lets not forget tying the record for the most TD passes in a game against the defending Super Bowl champs.

 

[Peace]

The bad boy Richard Sherman says it best :

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-peyton-is-the-classiest-player-ive-ever-met/

"As Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman limped around in the bowels of MetLife Stadium after spraining his ankle in Super Bowl XLVIII, he felt someone tap him on the shoulder. He turned and saw that it was Peyton Manning, checking to see if he was OK.

Sherman said on Mike and Mike in the Morning that he was moved by the fact that Manning, who had just been dealt a terrible loss, seemed mostly interested in finding out if Sherman had been badly hurt.

“He was really concerned about my well-being,” Sherman said. “After a game like that, a guy who’s still classy enough to say ‘How are you doing?’ To show that kind of concern for an opponent shows a lot of humility and class.”

Sherman said that despite Manning’s bad game, the Seahawks continue to have a great deal of respect for him.

“He’s a Hall of Fame player, he’s a living legend, he’s a record-holding quarterback, he’s a Super Bowl champion, he’s been a Super Bowl MVP,” Sherman said of Manning.

On Twitter, Sherman took some Seahawks fans to task for bad-mouthing Manning.

“Peyton is the Classiest person/player I have ever met! I could learn so much from him! Thank you for being a great Competitor and person,” Sherman wrote. “There is no reason to bash him on here please Seattle let’s just enjoy this one!!!! He is still a Future HOF player.”

 

[63dot]

Agreed, there's no way the Patriots would have beat Seattle. Seattle's clearly the best football team this year. The Pats had way too many weaknesses and without Tom Brady they wouldn't have even made the playoffs.

No way the Patriots would have won yesterday but I would like to think the game would have been at least a little bit more competitive. I don't think they would have given up as easy as Denver did, and I don't think Brady would have taken care of the ball better, but not like any of that matters anyways.


Seattle's defense is good no doubt, but Manning and the Broncos couldn't take care of the ball if their lives depended on it yesterday. Take away that careless pick-six Manning threw and that kickoff return to start the 2nd half and it's a totally different ball game.

Of all the AFC teams, the only other one I would put up against Seattle would be the Pats.

Brady has had the best record of late for 4th quarter comebacks, even though Manning has the all time 4th quarter comeback record over time, and I think the Pats could have got at least 21 points on the board. Though not a big guy, Julian Edelman is the type of receiver that could navigate very well in the tight coverage that is the signature of Seattle. The Pats D has a way of playing past their ranking when it counts and could have stopped Seattle more effectively. Had the AFC championship been played at the Pats stadium it could have been Brady out there yesterday but like you said the Pats would not have won.

I think the 8 point total that Denver got yesterday will be seen as the all time Peyton Manning choke even though he still racked up a lot of yards passing, and more than Wilson. If you break down Manning's play and how many passes he got off successfully and the respectable yards, it just goes to show how well Seattle played with every player that was out there on the field for them. Seattle couldn't hold Manning to low yards but were not going to slack anywhere else and have stupid penalties or mistakes. Had Seattle actually kept Manning from a touchdown and slashed his yardage to well below 200 yards, it could be argued that the defense was easily the best of all time. Several Seattle guys had the best games of their life out there, to the point it's impossible to pick just who, and that is what wins football games. I don't think anybody is going to instantly consider this game a typical game for Seattle and I am sure we will see some games where they don't perform well next year on defense. Seattle had their absolute peak yesterday when it counted.

 

[Sydde]

Did you watch any football this year, or you just being a homer?

I mostly overlooked the Broncos, who were not on my radar much. Yeah, Manning put up impressive number, but as I said a few pages back, they had a pretty soft schedule overall in the regular season. Once they got into January, the numbers dropped precipitously.

In the end, Peyton Manning did not lose the superbowl, the Broncos lost the superbowl. When it came to teamwork in a team-oriented sport, the Seahawks were the better team.

 

[ucfgrad93]

In the end, Peyton Manning did not lose the superbowl, the Broncos lost the superbowl. When it came to teamwork in a team-oriented sport, the Seahawks were the better team.

No arguments with this. The Broncos were outplayed on every level of the game.

 

[Queen of Spades]

Of all the AFC teams, the only other one I would put up against Seattle would be the Pats.

No. I keep seeing this and it's dumb. Seattle played flawlessly. They were already mega talented, but they put it all together to perfection in the biggest game. The Patriots did not have the talent to overcome their losses to injury, and overachieved in getting as far as the AFC Championship. Really. They were not as good as Denver. They would have lost to that Seattle team last night. Their run of success sometimes makes people forget that building a talented, deep playoff team year after year is effing hard, especially with low draft picks every year.

That said, QBs don't win or lose Super Bowls alone, now that Prince Peyton has his 2 losses, hopefully people will knock that off and stop trying to say Brady's lost it or whatever else nonsense.

And I said for awhile, the Broncos reminded me of the 2007 Patriots. Record setting offense, but no ring to show for it. Defense > Offense.