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I hope I'm wrong, but Chelsea also look like they have a really good chance to win this.They win by doing nothing but defend for 95% of the game and then score on a few lighting breaks or corners. They don't need a lot of possession, or shots, or set pieces - heck, they don't even need 11 men! Bayern, Real and Atletico spend a lot more time building attacks and leaving space in behind.

I have more fear that it could turn out to be the worst game since 1986. When FC Steaua București, beat Barcelona, by playing nothing but defensive football for 120 minutes. They Steaua had only practiced penalties, this game nearly destroyed my love of football.

If this is to far in the past, just look it up, and weep.:eek:
 
takao,

Sorry, by tie I mean the two legs. Another day/ref and the early Welbeck goal counts, and by very good chances I include those where the level of player should score - there should be no place for 50:50; Welbeck one on one in the first leg, Rooney not passing to an unmarked Kagawa, and Rooney's slightly better than air shot when he has time/space just before Bayern score (2-1). The Valencia offside goal also sticks out; given his position, the Bayern player does what he can and steps up - it's very close and the margin may not be there in the next tie, a slight delay or smarter attacker. As you say, not 20 chances, but enough where the ball should be in the goal and the German side may meet a team who have their finishing boots on in the Semi-Final.

Re the goals; I think 4 are down to the defences, cut them some slack for Evra's, and Robben shouldn't be allowed inside but the deflection is the killer; without it de Gea saves.

+1 on the subs and surrendering the midfield, I meant to add that to the Rooney bit, but it was late and I was angry.:) Indecision seems to be a part of Moyes and when the change is made he often leaves people :confused:.

Happybunny,

That game, West Germany v Austria, Argentina v Peru...the Classics.:)

Lord Blackadder,

Haven't seen much of Atletico Madrid, but thought they were clinical finishers - along with high work rate and teamwork. Will they keep up the knock out Barcelona win the cup thing that's been going on? ABC;)

On Liverpool, their ball is rolling - like a team who just makes it into the playoffs but is carrying the form.

Cheers,
OW
 
Sorry, by tie I mean the two legs. Another day/ref ...(snip)

+1 on the subs and surrendering the midfield, I meant to add that to the Rooney bit, but it was late and I was angry.:) Indecision seems to be a part of Moyes and when the change is made he often leaves people :confused:.

the problem is that there simply are too many "if this .. if that"

some you have "to force one's luck" simply by creating many changes.
Bayern didn't play magical in the tie,far from it, they worked their way through simply by creating one opportunity after the other. If you have very few shots on goal you depend on your striker and good fortune. If you create many chances, you don't depend on luck.

And to create chances sometimes you have to invest more physical.
Normally squads with more possesion run less than the defending squads, yet Bayern actually covered a bigger distance around 117km vs 112 for Man united.
Atletico had somewhere around 114km against a <110 Barcelona
Keko covered 12 km vs Messi 6.8(!). Messi covered only 1.5 km more than goalkeeper Pinto.
Dortmund in their 2:0 victory against Real ?: a whopping 124km, which means a full player worth of running effort more than Man United had against Bayern. And Dortmund still had 6 (AFAIK) 1st squad players out with injuries.

Guardiola said in an interview that his strategy for the return leg was to "attack, attack, attack"
Robben also said after the game that idea in the first half was "to attack without risking too much, and perhaps get a goal in"

Haven't seen much of Atletico Madrid, but thought they were clinical finishers - along with high work rate and teamwork. Will they keep up the knock out Barcelona win the cup thing that's been going on? ABC;)

i would call Atletico "this year Dortmund". They have an excellent defense with strong pressing and their strikers are great on the counter attack

for the draw predictions i hope we get a setup with more unusal games

Bayern vs Atletico and Real vs Chelsea would be interesting IMHO
 
Haven't seen much of Atletico Madrid, but thought they were clinical finishers - along with high work rate and teamwork. Will they keep up the knock out Barcelona win the cup thing that's been going on? ABC;)

On Liverpool, their ball is rolling - like a team who just makes it into the playoffs but is carrying the form.

Atletico worked very hard. Costa's injury is not a hamstring tear as initially feared, so he should be available for the next round. That's a huge boost for Atleti. At the moment they are in form and in the hunt.

Speaking of which, you are right about Liverpool having form on their side. But they cannot afford to drop any points. I'm really wavering on whether to watch the match this weekend. I think I'll be climbing the walls. Even if Liverpool win they'll still have four more chances to bugger it. :eek:

Guardiola said in an interview that his strategy for the return leg was to "attack, attack, attack"
Robben also said after the game that idea in the first half was "to attack without risking too much, and perhaps get a goal in".

Michael Cox wrote an interesting piece demonstrating that Guardiola initially set Bayern out in a 2-3-2-3 or W-W, much like his Barcelona (or a number of teams from 60 years ago). Lahm was supposed to function as a central midfield and a right back at the same time. But it didn't work because it left Bayern's backdoor wide open. Pep then switched tactics by leaving Lahm in midfield but bringing in Rafinha to play right back.

I have more fear that it could turn out to be the worst game since 1986. When FC Steaua București, beat Barcelona, by playing nothing but defensive football for 120 minutes. They Steaua had only practiced penalties, this game nearly destroyed my love of football.

If this is to far in the past, just look it up, and weep.:eek:

I'll bet Jose watches that every night before bed.
 
Atletico worked very hard. Costa's injury is not a hamstring tear as initially feared, so he should be available for the next round. That's a huge boost for Atleti. At the moment they are in form and in the hunt.

on the negative side 6 athletico players currently have yellow cards (4-5 for chelsea, Real& Bayern have both 2 i think) so 2-3 bad yellow cards in the first leg would be an incredible blow against them

also Athelico's #1 keeper is only on loan from chelsea so he wouldn't be allowed to play against them as well... quite the bummer , since he is ace
 
on the negative side 6 athletico players currently have yellow cards (4-5 for chelsea, Real& Bayern have both 2 i think) so 2-3 bad yellow cards in the first leg would be an incredible blow against them

also Athelico's #1 keeper is only on loan from chelsea so he wouldn't be allowed to play against them as well... quite the bummer , since he is ace

Bad news about the cards.

Atletico's keeper could play against Chelsea but it would cost Atleti between £5-£8 million in fees to Chelsea over the two legs.

Extortion. :(
 
the was interesting to see that after the 1:0/1:1 Guardiola reacted on the bench immedatly and brought on Rafihna, so that he can push Lahm in the Midfield and thus support Kroos in the center(who moved more forward), while getting the ineffective Götze (who couldn't break through the center) off the pitch.
Also he widened the formation that Robben/Ribery weren't facing 2 defending players but more 1on1 sitations.

meanwhile Moyes took a 15 minute nap and then brought on Hernandez for Fletcher. Thus surrendering the midfield, where Lahm was now covering.

Despite the suspensions and injuries, Pep had a lot more cards to play than Moyes did. Still, Moyes kind of blew it again.

Disappointed by the loss, but there really can be no papering over the glaring weakness in the squad and the manager's usage of it.

Forced out of necessity to play Kagawa in his more favored role lately, he has — surprise! — played very well. Just keep playing Mata, Januzaj, and Kagawa behind whichever of our four strikers is fit and build those partnerships with a view towards next season.
 
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Michael Cox wrote an interesting piece demonstrating that Guardiola initially set Bayern out in a 2-3-2-3 or W-W, much like his Barcelona (or a number of teams from 60 years ago). Lahm was supposed to function as a central midfield and a right back at the same time. But it didn't work because it left Bayern's backdoor wide open. Pep then switched tactics by leaving Lahm in midfield but bringing in Rafinha to play right back.

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Moyes waits then takes off a defensive midfielder - not having a great game but still better than...ta-da...the broken attacking player Moyes puts in his place.:rolleyes:

If Liverpool win, at least your joy will last longer than 22 seconds.:) Stress is part of it, there's something to be said for mid-table.

takao,

Always 'ifs' after a game; if Atletico Madrid had watered the pitch instead of being nasty.:D I'm not saying Manchester United deserved to win - 3 big errors, 3 goals, Moyes' cock up, and blowing their chances - and I agree chance after chance can get a team to something has got to give and only having to take a lower percentage - BBC has Bayern at 5 shots on target v 2 - but it doesn't always work. I'm sticking with Bayern being vulnerable because the opponents get enough quality opportunities, though as we seem to agree, the other team need to be clinical if playing that game.

Like the draw, so it'll probably be the practice one.:(

Cheers,
OW
 
Bad news about the cards.

Atletico's keeper could play against Chelsea but it would cost Atleti between £5-£8 million in fees to Chelsea over the two legs.

Extortion. :(

Most stupid clause i've ever heard of. How about Chelsea pay the player's fee for that week if they don't want him to play.

Also judgement day for City, Liverpool and Arsenal this weekend. Can't wait to see how things play out. Aguero and Ramsey will be returning to their respective starting XIs.
 
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And there you have it

Champions League semi-finals:
Real Madrid v Bayern Munich
Atletico Madrid v Chelsea

Happy with the draw. Could be a Madrid derby final.
 
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And there you have it



Happy with the draw. Could be a Madrid derby final.

much will depend on wether the Real can nurse back Ronaldo to health after his injury ... the first leg will be on 22./23. already and he is out for at least a week (missing the cup final in spain next wednesday). Even then: playing a 80% Ronaldo will be mighty risky.

Bayern never was a good draw for Real thus being nicknamed "La bestia negra" sometimes


IMHO for Chelsea also a bad draw ... for them the attacking Real/Bayern would have been much easier task than the hard fighting/compact Atletico

with this draw i would guess for a Bayern vs Atletico final is more likely
 
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Yeah. Whether CR7 plays will have a big say. Although Bale, Benzema and Di Maria can hurt anyone. But that Real defence have 2-3 errors per game in them which Bayern can/will punish. It'll be like a final.

Everyone seems to think Chelsea are already in the final. Forgetting that Athleti have beaten Real and Barca this season already. By no means will it be an easy game. Costa will be back fit too I'd imagine. And Simeone knows how to navigate the big games too.
 
Seems Chelsea have been overruled:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26972498

Can't wait for Sourinho's comments!

A victory for football. As for Sourinho - you're in a Champions League semifinal. It doesn't matter who your 'parent' club is anymore.

I hope Atleti win because of a spectacular Sourinho save. Please, Oh Football Gods, make it happen! :D

takao said:
IMHO for Chelsea also a bad draw ... for them the attacking Real/Bayern would have been much easier task than the hard fighting/compact Atletico

My only worry is that Atleti will struggle against a team that sits deep and compact. Their defense will be sorely tested as well. I really hope they win though, I'm already sick of Mourinho's Chelsea.
 
A victory for football. As for Sourinho - you're in a Champions League semifinal. It doesn't matter who your 'parent' club is anymore.

I hope Atleti win because of a spectacular Sourinho save. Please, Oh Football Gods, make it happen! :D

and by "save" you mean "save in the deciding penalty shoot out" because i can totally see that coming for that tie ;)

meanwhile i read quite a few articles about Barcelona and how it's currently really in a downward spiral amplyifed by the transfer ban: they really, really, REALLY need to buy a new keeper and defenders while Xavi and others arealready well beyond his prime,and some players being too complecent.
Alexis up front simply not good enough has a backup etc.

they have become even more dependant on Messi than they were 2 years ago.
 
and by "save" you mean "save in the deciding penalty shoot out" because i can totally see that coming for that tie ;)

yep. :D

meanwhile i read quite a few articles about Barcelona and how it's currently really in a downward spiral amplyifed by the transfer ban: they really, really, REALLY need to buy a new keeper and defenders while Xavi and others arealready well beyond his prime,and some players being too complecent.
Alexis up front simply not good enough has a backup etc.

they have become even more dependant on Messi than they were 2 years ago.

Nothing lasts forever. This Barca squad have cemented their reputation as perhaps the greatest team of all time - surely among the best at least - so it's not all bad. They may still have a few trophies in them.

But, at some point Barca will have to admit that it's time to rebuild, and that the next Barca squad won't be as good (how could it be?). It will be interesting to see how Neymar's career develops. Will he become another Messi/C. Ronaldo-level player? Or will his career be more like that of Ronaldinho or Kaka, massive potential that is never fully realized?
 
Did some of you hear that Bayern lost 0:1 against FC Augsburg? (though some would say it was Bayerns C-squad, being astonished, that Bayerns depth doesn't reach that far as everyone thought.)

On ManU vs Bayern. I really thought this could end 1:0 for a few seconds. The more disappointed I was by the 1:3 then.

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I'd like to share two curious throw-in goals from the womens GER-IRL (3:2) WC quali. match from last saturday. I found a stream on youtube.
1st goal see minute 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSJ5mCP7nI
2nd goal see minute 89: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ILYTzWYzoI

Ireland is the first team to break Germanies 0:x in the qualifications (though they played against a different (experimetal) GER-squad than usually) and there is a second match against Ireland still to come in September. I hope they (3rd) can outperform Russia (2nd) on the table and get a ticket for Canada 2015. Having Ireland would be interesting (along Scotland and England) and nice. I mean everyone likes the Irish, don't we? ;)
 
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Did some of you hear that Bayern lost 0:1 against FC Augsburg? (though some would say it was Bayerns C-squad, being astonished, that Bayerns depth doesn't reach that far as everyone thought.)

i guess Pep rotated too much and perhaps was too focused on the CL( and no one wants to risk an injury). After the game he said something like "this year's bundesliga trophy this year already has it's place in the museum"
which wasn't received that well, not even by his own bosses ;)

looking at the beginningsquad some are obvious C-Squads members who normally play in regional league: Weiser, Hojbjerg, Sallahi
Shaqiri, Van Buyten, Pizzaro ? B-Squad
the rest though should know better ; Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Neuer, Martinez, Mandzukic...

against Dortmund the Bayern bosses aren't going to let him to play in such a formation ;)
 
I saw the Augsburg result. Credit to Augsberg for going out there and taking the fight to Bayern but it was a C-squad.

i guess Pep rotated too much and perhaps was too focused on the CL( and no one wants to risk an injury). After the game he said something like "this year's bundesliga trophy this year already has it's place in the museum"
which wasn't received that well, not even by his own bosses ;)

It was true though - Bayern's league season is finished and the remaining games are totally meaningless. I hate to see one team dominate like that.
 
Job done! :)

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Well done Wolves!

Big day in the relegation battle as Fulham, Crystal Palace and Cardiff all pick up wins while Norwich City and Sunderland lose. it's still close though. But Norwich in particular look all but lost now. if they can't beat Fulham where will the points come from, given their schedule?
 
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