These Japanese signings are always a toss up. You might get an ace or a dud.$155 million for a guy who's never thrown a single pitch in the MLB. Insane.
Wasn't DiceK good until the WBC, isn't that what killed his arm.Haha, so the Yankees just blew 155 million on the next DiceK?
They'll never learn.
Wasn't DiceK good until the WBC, isn't that what killed his arm.
He was good his first two years.
After that, he lost his control and ended up walking like 10 guys a game. Could barely make it through 5 innings because he couldn't hit the strike zone.
I don't know if you can blame the WBC directly but it probably had an effect. So did the way Japanese baseball teams manage their pitchers. They don't limit pitch counts and give them nearly as much rest as teams do over here.
He just threw way too many pitches when he was younger and his arm was burned out by 2009.
Guess that whole being under the luxury tax thing was a pile of crap.Completely typical Yankees move. How much have they spent this offseason? $477 million? $65 hojillion?
That said, they'll continue to have cycles of a couple of years of success followed by frenzied overspending to make up for their old ass talent until they re-commit to their farm system. If they were the Cardinals, I'd worry. But they haven't had a Michael Wacha type in an eternity, and it's rad.
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Sometimes it works! As it did in 2009. And sometimes it doesn't!! Last year, with all of the injuries they had, they really had no business even playing meaningful games in the last month but they were. Which is a bit of a testament to management. They found guys (some scrapheap guys and some farm guys) to fill in the blanks.
Moyank24 said:It's extremely hard for a big market team to totally commit to their farm system. You guys have spent money to supplement the younger guys as well. And let's be honest, the Red Sox are a top 4 or 5 salary team as well, so it's hard to throw stones.
Moyank24 said:I'd be much more ticked off if the Yanks made all of this money and didn't try to put it back on the field (like other teams do).
Moyank24 said:I also think somewhere deep down that the louder you Sox fans moan and complain about the "typical yankees", the more worried you are....![]()
The issue is all of the MLB tested young elite pitchers have already been locked up( Kershaw, King Felix, etc). The gamble on Tanaka was their only choice as Ubaldo, Garza, and Santana are also question marks.
I get that - but if you look at the teams in the playoffs, they pretty much all had at least 2 homegrown, dominant starters. This is not the way to build a team nowadays. At least not if you want long-term success. Which is why this move doesn't scare me all that much.
I mean, the Yankees just paid a guy who has never thrown a pitch in MLB nearly the same as the Mariners paid to extend Felix Hernandez. LOL. Come on.
In any case, it appears the idea of the Yankees staying under the luxury tax has been effectively abolished. I wonder if they'll go on a complete spending spree to fill the rest of their holes.
Oh I agree they need they need to rebuild their farm system and develop elite pitchers.
But, given the prospects of getting elite MLB pitchers over the next few years, there wasn't much choice. Any elite pitcher that was about to hit FA was locked up.
Their farm system has developed some decent pitchers, as we saw last year. Phelps, Kelly, and Warren will probably get a chance for the 5th spot or 7th/8th inning. And this may be the season we finally see if Betances and Banuelos are truly busts. Nova is a lock for a spot, and I think I'd call Robertson elite. So, it's not like they haven't built contributors down there.
I'm also still waiting to see what happens with Pinenda, who was basically swapped for equally young guys.
Our farm system has produced decent 4-5 starters. What we need though is an elite ace. We need a King Felix or a Kershaw, etc. Number 4 or 5 starters are easy to come by than a legitimate #1 or #2 guy. That is why we didn't trade Gardner because he isn't worth giving up for a #4 or #5 starter. The Yankees need to be looking for #1 or #2 guys. Right now they are covered if CC can bounce back, Kuroda can get back to his 2012-first half of 2013 form, and Tanaka pans out.
I think Pineda has become the favorite to be our 5th starter with Phelps second and Warren last now with Tanaka on board. Phelps has been decent before getting hit by that come backer this year.
Once the Red Sox won the World Series I knew the Yankees were going to throw open the check book. Any other team and they might have pinched some pennies. Plus last year they held back and that got them nowhere. Even when they said this year they wanted to be under 189 it was obvious that they were not going to hold to it. They could have signed Cano and really blown out the books but what stopped them was the 10 year mark. Time will tell if the Yankees made the right decision there. Short term it might bite them in the ass but we shall see what year 6 looks like on that contract.Guess that whole being under the luxury tax thing was a pile of crap.Completely typical Yankees move. How much have they spent this offseason? $477 million? $65 hojillion?
That said, they'll continue to have cycles of a couple of years of success followed by frenzied overspending to make up for their old ass talent until they re-commit to their farm system. If they were the Cardinals, I'd worry. But they haven't had a Michael Wacha type in an eternity, and it's rad.
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Haha, so the Yankees just blew 155 million on the next DiceK?
They'll never learn.
They didn't have big signings in 96,98,99,2000. They had a supporting cast but a lot of those teams were won with home grown talent and not over priced free agents.What? This is huge news and the biggest story of the offseason.
I don't know. WS in '96, '98, '99, '00, '09. Their big gambles taking in high profile players sometimes pay and they also fail but you can't argue with long term success. We could talk all day about A-Rod but it did help the Yankees win their last one.
Getting Tanaka may not ensure a WS but it will probably mean long term domination of the Yankees over the Red Sox which is something they usually have had historically. The Red Sox have had their best years since their decades long drought so the Yankees want Tanaka to even out Boston if nothing more than that.
I am glad the LA Dodgers didn't get Tanaka and when the bidding got hot it was the Cubs and Yankees anyway so that made me happy. I don't know about what will happen to other teams in the AL East with the pitcher on the Yankees but had Tanaka gone to the Dodgers, the pair of Tanaka and Kershaw would doom the SF Giants for at least the next five years.
My prediction is that the Yankees will totally dominate their division with #1 or #2 standings for a long time and get at least one WS win with him. Of all teams who got Tanaka, it's no surprise it was New York but probably the team most of us here would have least liked him to end up with. The only reason I say one WS is that there is a lot of talent everywhere else, too at Texas, Oakland, and Detroit so the Tanaka thing will be felt most in the AL East.
What? This is huge news and the biggest story of the offseason.
I don't know. WS in '96, '98, '99, '00,
63dot said:'09.
63dot said:Getting Tanaka may not ensure a WS but it will probably mean long term domination of the Yankees over the Red Sox
63dot said:My prediction is that the Yankees will totally dominate their division with #1 or #2 standings for a long time and get at least one WS win with him. Of all teams who got Tanaka, it's no surprise it was New York but probably the team most of us here would have least liked him to end up with. The only reason I say one WS is that there is a lot of talent everywhere else, too at Texas, Oakland, and Detroit so the Tanaka thing will be felt most in the AL East.
LOL. Yeah, okay. Tanaka means long term domination over the Red Sox? They still have holes.
Only time will tell. You can't be happy about the Yankees getting Tanaka and if this is no concern then I say you are a complete fool. I was scared the Dodgers would get him but was relieved when it wasn't. All my Giants fan buddies were also scared of Tanaka going to LA, too because believe it or not, even though he hasn't played MLB, he's a very good pitcher.
Sure if Tanaka came to the Dodgers they could still do poorly against the Giants because the Dodgers have "holes". But suffice to say, I am happy Tanaka is not wearing Dodger blue. I will see what the experts say are the holes, because when you criticize the Yankees it's because you hate them and think they can't ever do good, well, because they are the Yankees. It's OK to hate a team, and I totally assume from all I have read it's the Yankees, but don't disrespect them. Take a look at the historical head to head between you and them and then try to minimize Tanaka. Anyway, thanks for the laugh.
To say that the Tanaka signing is going to result in years of domination is absurd. And any true, intelligent Yankees fan will tell you the same thing.
As much as I think it was a risk worth taking, it was still a risk. Who knows how long the adjustment to pitching every 5 days, the mounds, the hitters in the AL East, etc.. will take. He's a 25 year old with upside, but until he faces MLB batters every 5 days, we just don't know.
Are the Yanks going to be competitive? Definitely. They were surprisingly competitive last year with 8 scrubs + Cano. Frankly, I know there are some who say the Yanks have holes in their infield, but if everyone else stays healthy (and as we saw last year with every freak injury, anything can happen) I don't think the offense will be an issue. I'd rather have guys at 2nd and 3rd who can play solid defense and get on base every once in a while. I think we'll also be able to get a look at young guys like Nunez (again!) and Anna.
That said, they're not even going to be a favorite in their division next year, let alone a runaway division winner. The Rays just added Balfour to an already amazing pitching staff - their offense is always a question mark, but they added Loney and they still have Longoria. And who knows? Maybe the rest of the guys can find lightning in a bottle (like a few guys did last year for the Sox, which certainly helped). And the Sox have a great rotation and an annoyingly good offense, (and obviously younger, too, than the Yanks) and would make a much better argument for "years of domination".
The Yanks are still old and their starting pitching is still going to be a question mark. I think the Pen will be solid and will hopefully shorten games for the starters. CC has lost a person this offseason, so who knows if that will help him or hurt him. Kuroda has tanked the past 2 seasons in the second half. Nova can be brilliant at times, but is still a 3 or 4 starter at best right now. I won't believe Pineda is a Yankee until I actually see him pitch. To batters. And of course there's Tanaka. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a 6 man rotation of sorts - to help both Kuroda, Tanaka, and Pineda (if he makes an appearance). They have enough pitching to do it - they can switch out Warren, Phelps, or Claiborne if they needed to between the 6th and long relief.
As someone who struggles through every Yankees game last year, I'm just excited at the prospect of a season with so many new faces. And hopefully less injuries. I swear, I don't think I've seen as many freak injuries in the last 10 years on the Yanks as we saw last year.
Tanaka will be allowed to become a free agent after one year in the Bronx. The Yankees will pay an additional $20 million to the Rakuten Eagles, Tanakas former team in Japan, as part of the new posting agreement between Major League Baseball and Japanese clubs.
Big deal, isn't it?![]()
Only time will tell. You can't be happy about the Yankees getting Tanaka and if this is no concern then I say you are a complete fool. I was scared the Dodgers would get him but was relieved when it wasn't. All my Giants fan buddies were also scared of Tanaka going to LA, too because believe it or not, even though he hasn't played MLB, he's a very good pitcher.
63dot said:I will see what the experts say are the holes, because when you criticize the Yankees it's because you hate them and think they can't ever do good, well, because they are the Yankees.
63dot said:Take a look at the historical head to head between you and them and then try to minimize Tanaka.
To say that the Tanaka signing is going to result in years of domination is absurd. And any true, intelligent Yankees fan will tell you the same thing.
Moyank24 said:As much as I think it was a risk worth taking, it was still a risk. Who knows how long the adjustment to pitching every 5 days, the mounds, the hitters in the AL East, etc.. will take. He's a 25 year old with upside, but until he faces MLB batters every 5 days, we just don't know.
Moyank24 said:That said, they're not even going to be a favorite in their division next year, let alone a runaway division winner. The Rays just added Balfour to an already amazing pitching staff - their offense is always a question mark, but they added Loney and they still have Longoria. And who knows? Maybe the rest of the guys can find lightning in a bottle (like a few guys did last year for the Sox, which certainly helped). And the Sox have a great rotation and an annoyingly good offense, (and obviously younger, too, than the Yanks) and would make a much better argument for "years of domination".
Moyank24 said:As someone who struggles through every Yankees game last year, I'm just excited at the prospect of a season with so many new faces. And hopefully less injuries. I swear, I don't think I've seen as many freak injuries in the last 10 years on the Yanks as we saw last year.