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The 2013-2014 MLB Hot stove Thread

AustinIllini said:
Well you better get sold. Lots of DHs are going to get a good, long look in the near future.
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Oh I know. Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz among them. Both very good offensive players. I still think, though, that if you're not good enough to be on the field (a liability, even) then you shouldn't be in the Hall. Unless your numbers are out of this world above and beyond everyone else in your era.
 
Moyank24 said:
Oh I know. Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz among them. Both very good offensive players. I still think, though, that if you're not good enough to be on the field (a liability, even) then you shouldn't be in the Hall. Unless your numbers are out of this world above and beyond everyone else in your era.
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Ortiz will be interesting, he failed a drug test so will that hurt his chances?
 
Moyank24 said:
Oh I know. Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz among them. Both very good offensive players. I still think, though, that if you're not good enough to be on the field (a liability, even) then you shouldn't be in the Hall. Unless your numbers are out of this world above and beyond everyone else in your era.
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That's a fair point. Frank Thomas's best numbers were while he was a first baseman.

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MacNut said:
Ortiz will be interesting, he failed a drug test so will that hurt his chances?
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It should, but he gets a red B on his hat, so he's in. Same with Ramirez.
 
I am still angry that Mattingly isn't in the hall. I know it will never happen but he was a great player in his time.
 
AustinIllini said:
I love that the Cubs player will go in with a Braves A on his cap.
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He played more years for the Braves than he did for the Cubs, and compiled his best numbers by far for the Braves.

Oh well, I do have some good memories of his Cubs days, namely Game 1 of the 1989 NLCS. :p

Anyway, he's the best pitcher I've seen in my own lifetime. Welcome to the Hall!
 
A-Rod suspended 162 games plus playoffs.
Alex Rodriguez has been suspended for the entire 2014 season by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz, who handed down a 162-game ban to the New York Yankees third baseman for his involvement in Major League Baseball's Biogenesis scandal.

The suspension also includes all potential playoff games in the upcoming season.

Horowitz's ruling upholds a good portion of the original 211-game suspension levied by MLB, which banned Rodriguez in August after concluding its investigation.
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As expected, Rodriguez said he will contest Saturday's decision in federal court. His spokesman issued a statement before the decision was even officially announced, calling the suspension "inconsistent" and based on "false and wholly unreliable testimony."

"The number of games sadly comes as no surprise, as the deck has been stacked against me from day one," Rodriguez said in his statement. "This is one man's decision, that was not put before a fair and impartial jury, does not involve me having failed a single drug test, is at odds with the facts and is inconsistent with the terms of the Joint Drug Agreement and the Basic Agreement, and relies on testimony and documents that would never have been allowed in any court in the United States because they are false and wholly unreliable.

"This injustice is MLB's first step toward abolishing guaranteed contracts in the 2016 bargaining round, instituting lifetime bans for single violations of drug policy, and further insulating its corrupt investigative program from any variety defense by accused players, or any variety of objective review."

Rodriguez reiterated his claim that he has not taken any performance-enhancing substances in his time with the Yankees. The three-time American League MVP was one of the biggest names linked last year to Biogenesis, the Florida-bases anti-aging clinic that has been accused of distributing banned performance-enhancing drugs.

"I have been clear that I did not use performance enhancing substances as alleged in the notice of discipline, or violate the Basic Agreement or the Joint Drug Agreement in any manner, and in order to prove it I will take this fight to federal court," Rodriguez said in his statement. "I am confident that when a Federal Judge reviews the entirety of the record, the hearsay testimony of a criminal whose own records demonstrate that he dealt drugs to minors, and the lack of credible evidence put forth by MLB, that the judge will find that the panel blatantly disregarded the law and facts, and will overturn the suspension.

"No player should have to go through what I have been dealing with, and I am exhausting all options to ensure not only that I get justice, but that players' contracts and rights are protected through the next round of bargaining, and that the MLB investigation and arbitration process cannot be used against others in the future the way it is currently being used to unjustly punish me.

"I will continue to work hard to get back on the field and help the Yankees achieve the ultimate goal of winning another championship. I want to sincerely thank my family, all of my friends, and of course the fans and many of my fellow MLB players for the incredible support I received throughout this entire ordeal."
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10278277/alex-rodriguez-suspension-reduced-162-games

A few things, Did A-Rod cheat, most likely. I won't deny that. However I feel that Selig is getting away scott free and I don't think he deserves to win for what his role has been in the steroid era. This should not be a feather in Selig's hat and he needs to pay as well.
 
MacNut said:
A-Rod suspended 162 games plus playoffs.http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10278277/alex-rodriguez-suspension-reduced-162-games

A few things, Did A-Rod cheat, most likely. I won't deny that. However I feel that Selig is getting away scott free and I don't think he deserves to win for what his role has been in the steroid era. This should not be a feather in Selig's hat and he needs to pay as well.
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If I remember correctly the original suspension was for 211 games. Having it reduced by almost 50 games is pretty significant.
 
ucfgrad93 said:
If I remember correctly the original suspension was for 211 games. Having it reduced by almost 50 games is pretty significant.
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The 211 game suspension included the remaining games from last season. In light of that, it's not that significant if the arbitrator took that into account.

Anyway, completely satisfied with the decision. Now the question is will the Yankees just pay ARod the remaining $61 million next year and say good riddance to him by releasing him? I don't see how he plays for the Yankees next year due to the awkwardness from both sides. Then of course who would sign him if he is released?
 
Glad he got suspended, but I don't think it's fair that the Yankees benefit with salary relief. IMO, when a player is suspended, teams should have to donate forfeited salary to charity, and that amount is still counted as payroll for luxury tax calculations. I don't believe for a second that no one else in the clubhouse or front office knew what A-Roid was doing.
 
yg17 said:
Glad he got suspended, but I don't think it's fair that the Yankees benefit with salary relief. IMO, when a player is suspended, teams should have to donate forfeited salary to charity, and that amount is still counted as payroll for luxury tax calculations. I don't believe for a second that no one else in the clubhouse or front office knew what A-Roid was doing.
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Still think baseball's corrupt hierarchy screwed him over on purpose because he is disliked. That said, couldn't agree more with the salary relief for the Yankees. Once that was a consideration, you knew how this was going to go.
 
Queen of Spades said:
Still think baseball's corrupt hierarchy screwed him over on purpose because he is disliked. That said, couldn't agree more with the salary relief for the Yankees. Once that was a consideration, you knew how this was going to go.
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The Yankees would "save" about 22 million of his 26 million salary for 2014.

I think A-Rod is a product of todays game. Teams over paid for him and that made him being invincible in his mind. He thought he could push the system to fit his needs and it back fired. Now should Selig get to walk away smiling, no. He is just as much a part of this mess and should pay some penalty as well. Selig helped create A-Rod and now he is trying to destroy the players that made the league money. This whole thing is a black eye on the game, A-Rod's questionable dealings, and also the league's questionable dealings in trying to stop A-Rod.
 
MacNut said:
The Yankees would "save" about 22 million of his 26 million salary for 2014.

I think A-Rod is a product of todays game. Teams over paid for him and that made him being invincible in his mind. He thought he could push the system to fit his needs and it back fired. Now should Selig get to walk away smiling, no. He is just as much a part of this mess and should pay some penalty as well. Selig helped create A-Rod and now he is trying to destroy the players that made the league money. This whole thing is a black eye on the game, A-Rod's questionable dealings, and also the league's questionable dealings in trying to stop A-Rod.
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I agree. But the Yankees knew what they were getting with him - it's not like his reputation wasn't well known. So getting any salary relief from that contract annoys me. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it seems kind of convenient for baseball to give them a year mulligan when A-Rod failed exactly 0 tests.
 
Queen of Spades said:
I agree. But the Yankees knew what they were getting with him - it's not like his reputation wasn't well known. So getting any salary relief from that contract annoys me. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but it seems kind of convenient for baseball to give them a year mulligan when A-Rod failed exactly 0 tests.
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I agree there there was collusion to get him out. A-Rod still says he will be there for spring training and opening day so who knows.
 
So we might not see baseball after 2016, when the current collective bargaining agreement ends.
The Major League Baseball Players Association is none too pleased with MLB's decision to throw Bosch and Horowitz to the media so quickly after the arbitration decision. The union released the following statement Sunday evening:

It is unfortunate that Major League Baseball apparently lacks faith in the integrity and finality of the arbitrator's decision and our Joint Drug Agreement, such that it could not resist the temptation to publicly pile-on against Alex Rodriguez. It is equally troubling that the MLB-appointed Panel Arbitrator will himself be appearing in the "60 Minutes" segment, and that Tony Bosch, MLB's principal witness, is appearing on the program with MLB's blessing.

MLB's post-decision rush to the media is inconsistent with our collectively-bargained arbitration process, in general, as well as the confidentiality and credibility of the Joint Drug Agreement, in particular. After learning of tonight's "60 Minutes" segment, Players have expressed anger over, among other things, MLB's inability to let the result of yesterday's decision speak for itself. As a result, the Players Association is considering all legal options available to remedy any breaches committed by MLB.

Throughout this process the Players Association has repeatedly shown it is committed to an effective drug program that is strong and fair. And as we indicated in our statement yesterday, although we do not agree with the arbitrator's decision, we respect the process and will act accordingly. We believe the other involved parties should do the same.
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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...pa-angry-with-mlb-over-60-minutes-appearances
This is in regards to the 60 minutes story with Bosch.
 
Even though I a support the ban, even I didn't like the fact MLB went parading it to the media. Bad form. Goes to show both parties are dirty.
 
quagmire said:
Even though I a support the ban, even I didn't like the fact MLB went parading it to the media. Bad form. Goes to show both parties are dirty.
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What we learned from Bosch on 60 minutes is that all players can easily eat some gummy bears and dope up. That can't make Selig happy.
 
Moyank24 said:
And in non-ARod Yankees news, the Yanks sign Tanaka for 7/$155 Million.

Now everyone can start bashing them for trying to buy championships, instead of bashing them for the ARod mess. :D
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This is huge. I was concerned since I thought the Dodgers had a better chance at signing him due to the proximity to Japan and reports saying both the Dodgers and Yanks offer were similar.

This offseason was full of uncertainties. You had Cano's FA, the whole $189 million goal, etc. We lost Cano to the Mariners, but this offseason spending has eclipsed the '08-'09 offseason of CC, AJ, and Tex signings.

Now the only concern is the mileage on that arm.....
 
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