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Alabama, Oregon, and FSU will be in without much, if any, controversy. But I don't envy the committee members for having to choose between OSU, TCU, and Baylor for the fourth spot. Whatever they do, a lot of people are going to be unhappy with the decision, and understandably so.

Other than adding two teams, I don't know that the committee process is that much better than selection of the NC participants was in the BCS era-there is still a lot of subjectivity.

All the more reason for an expanded playoff.
 
Full disclosure: Auburn grad and obviously fan

But really, is being an Alabama fan even fun? If you know pretty well that nearly every game you play will be a blowout, is there any real excitement? They've only lost like 4 regular season games in the last four years. It's awesome for a year or two, but I think I'd get bored after a while.

If Alabama were so completely dominant that they won every game without breaking a sweat, it might be boring. But that's not the way it's been, especially this year. They lost to Ole Miss, barely beat Arkansas, had to come from behind in 50 seconds to tie LSU and force overtime, and could easily have lost a couple of other games. Add to that the fact that they're playing with a QB who was written off by many before the start of the season, not to mention a secondary that has a lot of difficulty defending against the long ball.

As a Bama fan, none of this makes me comfortable watching them play, and I certainly don't expect them to have an easy time in the playoff or NC, if they get there. But it sure makes for exciting football, and I'm proud of what the team and coaches have done this year so far.
 
Awesome. Oregon should have no problem with stopping FSU, nor should bama with OSU. I see a SEC - PAC12 showdown being a great game.
 
Good luck to Ohio State. If Barrett or Miller was the QB, it would be an more interesting matchup but a backup to the back up against Nick Saban in this type of game? Yikes...

I just want to see an Alabama/Oregon championship game. For Alabama, it cements them as the best team on College, no more of this SEC bias nonsense. If Oregon wins, they prove that they should be respected and deserves to be mentioned as one of, if not, the best team in College.
 
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Alabama
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FSU
OSU

Absolute garbage

I could see a case for FSU as #2, or at least some the ESPN experts think so. I didn't see OSU coming up but a major congrats to them. What if the final is FSU against OSU with all the talk about the greatness of Alabama and Oregon?

I still see Alabama taking it all and look at who they have played this year, and beat.
 
I think overall its a as good of a selection as you're going to get. I'm pleased to see OSU in the mix, given their statement win yesterday.

As much as I hate FSU, you have to give them their due. As they said, all they do is win, and they're the only loss-less team. I do think Oregon, is going to absolutely destroy them.

I think the championship is going to come down to Alabama and Oregon with Oregon winning imo.
 
Awesome. Oregon should have no problem with stopping FSU, nor should bama with OSU. I see a SEC - PAC12 showdown being a great game.

I don't know... Oregon's defense is susceptible and mostly "bend but not break" and the offense outscores their opponents. GT tried that last night and it only worked for three quarters.

Good luck to Ohio State. If Barrett or Miller was the QB, it would be an more interesting matchup but a backup to the back up against Nick Saban in this type of game? Yikes...

I just want to see an Alabama/Oregon championship game. For Alabama, it cements them as the best team on College, no more of this SEC bias nonsense. If Oregon wins, they prove that they should be respected and deserves to be mentioned as one of, if not, the best team in College.

I do think Bama/Oregon would be the best ratings/football match up, but I wouldn't mind an OSU upset. ;)

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Agreed. Why didn't the Big 12 have title game?

NCAA provision stating you need 12 teams for divisions and a conference title game. They could have appealed for waiver to let them host one - and would most likely get it - but they didn't. They stuck to their "One True Champion" mantra, which turned out to be a lie. Co-champions is not one true champion.
 
Just saw this on another forum. Let the smack talking/taunting begin!

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Just saw this on another forum. Let the smack talking/taunting begin!

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Definitely made when he was irrelevant, so he didn't have his BS filter on his social media to hide the truth.

College football is a free minor league feeder program for the NFL at many institutions. Most of their athletes are bottom feeder students and scrape by with all the resources in the world given to them. If only there wasn't such backlash in removing programs (see: UAB), schools would be wise to force the NFL to fund their activities or disband their teams.
 
Just saw this on another forum. Let the smack talking/taunting begin!

:D

At one of my alma maters, we had sports stars who literally didn't read and my girlfriend worked at the literacy program at the university library who had a few students. I will just say it was one of the many state schools in California.

We were division III and we wanted to get some recognition so we got anybody we saw fit to play sports, not be scholars. We had a few really exceptional players. The liberal sports program did pay off as we did land a guy with the Dallas Cowboys.

So whether the guy could read or not, if he gets out with a degree his only hope will still be sports since I can't think of many employers who will take an illiterate college grad. The only illiterate college grad who succeeded outside of sports is, well, Forrest Gump and he's not even real. ;)
 
Definitely made when he was irrelevant, so he didn't have his BS filter on his social media to hide the truth.

College football is a free minor league feeder program for the NFL at many institutions. Most of their athletes are bottom feeder students and scrape by with all the resources in the world given to them. If only there wasn't such backlash in removing programs (see: UAB), schools would be wise to force the NFL to fund their activities or disband their teams.

And at many top schools, those football programs bring in extravagant amounts of money which help fuel university operations, while also taking advantage of high-profile college athletes. It's kind of appalling to me that people think it's funny to make fun of people who are probably coming from poverty and the only way for them to even have a shot at going to college is to be good at a sport. It sucks that some of these kids are going to school without being able to read well, and my heart goes out to those struggles.

While I'm generally discerned by the emphasis on sports in this country over academics, I think it's unfair to paint a broad picture of college atheletes as just being bottom feeders. There are quite a few students who aren't atheletes and major in things like sports recreation, or culinary arts that can barely form a sentence. It's just less visible because frankly, who cares about them?

I have no issues with schools giving degrees to athletes who are barely scraping by. It's the least they could do after all the money they make off of them.
 
At one of my alma maters, we had sports stars who literally didn't read and my girlfriend worked at the literacy program at the university library who had a few students. I will just say it was one of the many state schools in California.

We were division III and we wanted to get some recognition so we got anybody we saw fit to play sports, not be scholars. We had a few really exceptional players. The liberal sports program did pay off as we did land a guy with the Dallas Cowboys.

So whether the guy could read or not, if he gets out with a degree his only hope will still be sports since I can't think of many employers who will take an illiterate college grad. The only illiterate college grad who succeeded outside of sports is, well, Forrest Gump and he's not even real. ;)

I think that's pretty sad. I know for many players, the main reason they're there is to play football but to have the mentality that you're only here to play and to forget about school is absolutely ridiculous. I don't care if your school is top tier or one of the smaller state colleges, an education is education. It's worse since Ohio St. University isn't just a small college. It's one thing to try and fail but to flat out and say, "who cares about school. I'm here to play football" is ridiculous.
 
And at many top schools, those football programs bring in extravagant amounts of money which help fuel university operations, while also taking advantage of high-profile college athletes. It's kind of appalling to me that people think it's funny to make fun of people who are probably coming from poverty and the only way for them to even have a shot at going to college is to be good at a sport. It sucks that some of these kids are going to school without being able to read well, and my heart goes out to those struggles.

While I'm generally discerned by the emphasis on sports in this country over academics, I think it's unfair to paint a broad picture of college atheletes as just being bottom feeders. There are quite a few students who aren't atheletes and major in things like sports recreation, or culinary arts that can barely form a sentence. It's just less visible because frankly, who cares about them?

I have no issues with schools giving degrees to athletes who are barely scraping by. It's the least they could do after all the money they make off of them.

Except as we've seen with countless retired NFL and NBA athletes - free degrees and league training isn't enough to stop them from financial ruin after retirement. Heck, some even fail while still in the league making millions.

I highly doubt athletic money goes back into the university general funds if they're able to make a profit - unless the department received subsidies from the general fund in the first place (most typically in the form of student fees). It more likely gets reinvested for the next year's athletic budget or into capital projects for the AD, such as new stadiums and practice facilities. The harder argument would be to narrow it down by sport and see if football itself is profitable and how much it is subsidizing lower revenue sports at universities.

USA Today - College AD Finances overview

USA Today - Most NCAA Division I athletic departments take subsidies

As recently as 2008, UTexas AD made just over $6m in profit, but received $1.8m in student fee subsidies. That was pre-Longhorn Network though, which is probably a large part in the profit listed in the USA Today link - ESPN - College Athletics Revenues and Expenses
 
Except as we've seen with countless retired NFL and NBA athletes - free degrees and league training isn't enough to stop them from financial ruin after retirement. Heck, some even fail while still in the league making millions.

I highly doubt athletic money goes back into the university general funds if they're able to make a profit - unless the department received subsidies from the general fund in the first place (most typically in the form of student fees). It more likely gets reinvested for the next year's athletic budget or into capital projects for the AD, such as new stadiums and practice facilities. The harder argument would be to narrow it down by sport and see if football itself is profitable and how much it is subsidizing lower revenue sports at universities.

USA Today - College AD Finances overview

USA Today - Most NCAA Division I athletic departments take subsidies

As recently as 2008, UTexas AD made just over $6m in profit, but received $1.8m in student fee subsidies. That was pre-Longhorn Network though, which is probably a large part in the profit listed in the USA Today link - ESPN - College Athletics Revenues and Expenses

Yeah and people who win the lottery often blow all of their money too, so what?

And yes, at many schools the sports programs don't make a profit, and even when they do that profit could be just reinvested into the program. Often times, at least for a lot of the Power 5, football and basketball are the only sports to make money, and those programs sustain other sports programs that would be otherwise non-existent, like, say women's soccer. At least some of the conferences have a revenue sharing program too. So the big programs which bring in a lot of the money, share it with schools that don't throug TV deals, which helps fund collegiate athletics.

So I think it's ridiculous to attack sports programs for student, especially if all your doing is arguing that because some sports players aren't well educated that it's unfair to all other students to pay for sports (if that's the case) which totally ignores the fact that otherwise those people have 0 chance of getting into school, and come from underprivilidged areas, a ignoes the money that these people are exploited for. Essentially, let's say Marcus Mariotta is a dullard. Maybe he doesn't deserve a degree, but the revenue that guys like him bring in pays for the other NCAA collegiate activities, and gives other students an opportunity to compete and enjoy their college experience.
 
I think that's pretty sad. I know for many players, the main reason they're there is to play football but to have the mentality that you're only here to play and to forget about school is absolutely ridiculous. I don't care if your school is top tier or one of the smaller state colleges, an education is education. It's worse since Ohio St. University isn't just a small college. It's one thing to try and fail but to flat out and say, "who cares about school. I'm here to play football" is ridiculous.

As a responsible, law abiding citizen and older adult, I agree with your statement, but...

I will fully disclose that during the first three years of college I majored in partying, pot, and playing in rock bands. While I did read and had a pretty good set of scores getting into college, I don't know how many brain cells I had left over. I was totally not there for studying, academics, or the degree.

To me I just wanted to finish the degree, in whatever was easiest (business major), and return to being a rock musician which I did for years.

While I did well in last year and of half of study before finishing a degree and did have some professors and classes that I will always remember, I wasted three years and got little from the classes that had a lot to offer. An education is far more than four years or a piece of paper (took me five due to bad early years), and it's the journey and academic growth.

I wish I could have a place to criticize these athletes from but I was no more dedicated to my studies than they were to theirs and I am sure there are plenty of non-athletes who blew off classes and did the absolute minimum to get through a semester/year/degree.

Many of the student athletes had PAs, records, and got in more trouble with their crack habit (huge during 80s) more than the middle class kids with their pot or underage beer drinking. If we got into trouble, we had a lawyer we may have known growing up while the football and basketball kids simply went back to slammer and when they got out resumed playing sports as if nothing happened. Sure there's rules about the NCAA and how to get players, discipline them, and how to act but if not done from the top, then who the F cares! (and below list is far more typical and mild than what really happens)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...he-16-scummiest-coaches-in-college-basketball

When I saw the Ray Rice incident with him hitting his girlfriend, I wasn't shocked since this type of behavior in a football player, and other things like dual assault/rape, were extremely common among the athlete community. Our school's stats had normal levels of robbery but a totally out of proportion set of assaults, rapes, and occasional attempted murder that seemed to follow the athletes. The school newspaper was littered with incidents involving student athletes and it got to the point that stories like this had no impact anymore. And sometimes the better the school in sports, the more the downgrading of that school's overall academics. It's not that this is good but it's something that exists as long as authorities really crack down on schools recruiting thugs. Tarkanian and UNLV isn't isolated and certain sports go with the territory of violence, crime, and sheer stupidity.
 
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