I'm not commenting on their team, just the attitude of their fanbase. If they get left out of the Top 4 there is going to be a load of whining... If TCU gets in but they got shut out by some strange fluke there might be riots!*
*Joking of course.
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The 2014-2015 NCAA Football Season Thread
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I'm not commenting on their team, just the attitude of their fanbase. If they get left out of the Top 4 there is going to be a load of whining... If TCU gets in but they got shut out by some strange fluke there might be riots!*
*Joking of course.
Agreed. It should be the conference champions from:
ACC
Big 12
Big Ten
Pac 12
SEC
Mountain West
AAC
Conference USA.
Let them play it out. If you don't win your conference championship you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
In my world it's
ACC
Big 12
Big Ten
Pac 12
SEC
X
Y
Z
Where at least one of X Y Z is an undefeated non-power conference championship, and the remainder is filled by ranking. In this system in my ideal world
Florida State
Baylor
Ohio State
Oregon
Alabama
Marshall
Mississippi State
TCU
Would all probably get in. This is a total guess job at the moment, so if I forgot someone forgive me.
What would happen if Alabama loses but wins the SEC? Would the committee put them in the playoffs? Would they leave the SEC champion out?
With two losses you kind of have to leave them out.
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I feel like the Illini lost today. They have sentenced themselves to another season of bad football under Tim Beckman. It breaks my heart how bad the Illini are and how bad the B1G is.
Great win but who wants to bet the defense is getting an ear full from Saban right now? That was a terrible defensive game for a team who has allowed 14 or so points a game all season.
I'm sure more than a few players will be hearing from Nick tonight and over the next week. Auburn was really up for this game, and Alabama looked lost for a good while, especially when Sims was throwing poorly. But they certainly did what they had to do to come back. I don't think that Missouri will be as easy to beat as some people think, though I expect Alabama to win. Then it's off to the playoff against... someone. RTR!
Man, I don't know what was in the water Auburn drank halfway through the third quarter, but they just fell apart. They dominated that game up until then, then just stopped and got run over back and forth.
That being said, I didn't expect Auburn to even score more than a couple of field goals against Bama, so I'm proud of them nonetheless.
That being said, I didn't expect Auburn to even score more than a couple of field goals against Bama, so I'm proud of them nonetheless.
Predicting what the new CFP rankings will be:
1) Bama
2) Oregon
3) FSU
4) TCU
5) Baylor
6) OSU
What they should be:
1) FSU
2) Oregon
3) Bama
4) Baylor
5) TCU
6) OSU
I think OSU at 6 under what they will be is fine, but they would be 5 under the latter rankings, if it weren't for that JT Barrett injury. Offense stalled quite a bit and the few passes were very much off target. Better get that passing game figured out this week. They won't be able to run every play with the Wildcat and QB reads and keep up with Wisconsin.
It wouldn't shock me one bit based off TCU's incredibly convincing win in Austin and FSU's middling win over UF that TCU jumps FSU. However, I think the committee leaves TCU at 4 in case Baylor does win the Big 12 and had them bump TCU out at 4.
My SEC hating hope and dream is Mizzou somehow overcomes what will certainly be a 13.5+ spread to beat Alabama and keeps the SEC out of the CFP entirely. Then you have a fun debate of 2 Big 12 teams or OSU with a 3rd string QB (if they happen to beat Wisconsin and finish undefeated).
1) Bama
2) Oregon
3) FSU
4) TCU
5) Baylor
6) OSU
What they should be:
1) FSU
2) Oregon
3) Bama
4) Baylor
5) TCU
6) OSU
I think OSU at 6 under what they will be is fine, but they would be 5 under the latter rankings, if it weren't for that JT Barrett injury. Offense stalled quite a bit and the few passes were very much off target. Better get that passing game figured out this week. They won't be able to run every play with the Wildcat and QB reads and keep up with Wisconsin.
It wouldn't shock me one bit based off TCU's incredibly convincing win in Austin and FSU's middling win over UF that TCU jumps FSU. However, I think the committee leaves TCU at 4 in case Baylor does win the Big 12 and had them bump TCU out at 4.
My SEC hating hope and dream is Mizzou somehow overcomes what will certainly be a 13.5+ spread to beat Alabama and keeps the SEC out of the CFP entirely. Then you have a fun debate of 2 Big 12 teams or OSU with a 3rd string QB (if they happen to beat Wisconsin and finish undefeated).
42-17 when the leader of our football team went out with concussion like symptoms.
All contenders have a "crap win".....
TCU over Kansas 34-30
Ohio St over Penn St in 2OT 24-17
Alabama over Arkansas 14-13
Florida St over take your pick of all the mediocre teams they've barely beaten.....Boston College on a last second FG comes to mind.
I think TCU is in though - don't think Baylor has a chance given the national media's subjective decision that TCU is better despite Baylor having the better statistics until this weekend and Baylor beating TCU h2h.
Some will point to the Baylor loss to WVU by 14 - that game was riddled with horrific officiating (Fox's referee expert Mike Perreira was on the screen holding up a rule book saying "there's nothing in this book that lets these refs do what they're doing") and if you look at Game Control (what a lovely, irritating made-up statistic), Baylor actually had the better GC in their game against WVU than TCU did, despite the fact that TCU won (they were trailing WVU for much of the game as well and won on a last second FG).
TCU and Baylor are extremely equal. The idea that a matchup against a Minnestoa team that's 8-4 in an incredibly mediocre B1G tells you more about which team is better is laughable. Baylor would obliterate Minny in Waco, just like TCU did in Ft. Worth.
Minnesota doesn't even deserve to be in the top 25, yet somehow they stayed 25 after losing to Ohio St. (the only team to lose and not drop in the CFP rankings) and vaulted 7 spots to 18 after beat NEBRASKA by 4....which ironically is their best win. 3 of their losses are good losses, but they also lost to freakin' Illinois (3-5 in the B1G). Compare that to what Utah, LSU, Auburn and USC have done and all those 4 loss teams deserve to be higher than Minnesota (which means they drop out bringing TCU's & tOSU's top 25 wins to 2 each.)
tOSU can pick up a 3rd this weekend, but TCU is done. Baylor can also pick up a 3rd and would have the best "wins" resume of any of the top 6 (TCU, KSU, @OU). They have one of the weaker losses (@WVU) but as I've already pointed out, there are caveats that people want to overlook.
At the end of the day, I'm actually rooting for both TCU and Baylor to get in. We just need Georgia Tech to actually finish the job against FSU and Wisconsin to beat tOSU's 3rd string QB. Both incredibly possible - maybe even likely.
If that happens, I see the top 4 being Alabama, Oregon, TCU, Baylor - at least that's how I think the committee would rank them (I'd say Oregon, Alabama, Baylor, TCU - but it works out the same).
Alabama v Baylor
Oregon v TCU
Both teams take care of business and we can settle this debate on the biggest stage possible - in Arlington for the National Title!
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I think we'll see:
1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. Florida St.
4. TCU
5. Ohio St.
6. Baylor
7. Arizona
This is my personal top 25:
1. Oregon (11-1)
2. Alabama (11-1)
3. Baylor (10-1)
4. TCU (10-1)
5. Florida St. (12-0)
6. Arizona (10-2)
7. Ohio St. (11-1)
8. Kansas St. (9-2)
9. Mississippi St. (10-2)
10. Wisconsin (10-2)
11. Michigan St. (10-2)
12. Georgia Tech (10-2)
13. UCLA (9-3)
14. Missouri (10-2)
15. Ole Miss (9-3)
16. Arizona St. (9-3)
17. Oklahoma (8-3)
18. Georgia (9-3)
19. Clemson (9-3)
20. Auburn (8-4)
21. Utah (8-4)
22. Duke (9-3)
23. Louisville (9-3)
24. LSU (8-4)
25. USC (8-4)
New top 25
1 Alabama 11-1
2 Oregon 11-1
3 TCU 10-1
4 Florida State 12-0
5 Ohio State 11-1
6 Baylor 10-1
7 Arizona 10-2
8 Michigan State 10-2
9 Kansas State 9-2
10 Mississippi State 10-2
11 Georgia Tech 10-2
12 Ole Miss 9-3
13 Wisconsin 10-2
14 Georgia 9-3
15 UCLA 9-3
16 Missouri 10-2
17 Arizona State 9-3
18 Clemson 9-3
19 Auburn 8-4
20 Oklahoma 8-3
21 Louisville 9-3
22 Boise State 10-2
23 Utah 8-4
24 LSU 8-4
25 USC 8-4
1 Alabama 11-1
2 Oregon 11-1
3 TCU 10-1
4 Florida State 12-0
5 Ohio State 11-1
6 Baylor 10-1
7 Arizona 10-2
8 Michigan State 10-2
9 Kansas State 9-2
10 Mississippi State 10-2
11 Georgia Tech 10-2
12 Ole Miss 9-3
13 Wisconsin 10-2
14 Georgia 9-3
15 UCLA 9-3
16 Missouri 10-2
17 Arizona State 9-3
18 Clemson 9-3
19 Auburn 8-4
20 Oklahoma 8-3
21 Louisville 9-3
22 Boise State 10-2
23 Utah 8-4
24 LSU 8-4
25 USC 8-4
Not sure why everyone is making a big fuss about where a team ranks in the top 4, they all make the playoffs and there is no bye or any advantage for being #1. If you lose, it doesn't matter where a team is ranked, they'll be out of the playoffs.
No team that gives up 700 yards of offense is going to win a national championship. We've seen this played out time and time again. All offense and no defense just won't ever cut it.
It's because the order of ranking will determine who plays who in the playoff games. I think that supporters of all four teams have opponents they'd rather face in the National Championship than in a playoff game.
So one game means said team doesn't play defense? Even if they gave up those 700 yards to a really good offense?
I agree - if you're ranked top 15 in offense but bottom 15 in defense, you likely don't have a chance. But to say "if a team gives up 700 yards, they can't win" is idiotic.
Here's the worst defensive games for each of the top 6 (by yards and points with opponents Off efficiency ranking in parenthesis):
1. Alabama - gave up 630 yards & 44 points to Auburn (7); won game
2. Oregon - gave up 560 yards & 41 points to California (11); won game
3. TCU - gave up 782 yards & 61 points to Baylor (2); lost game
4. Florida St. - gave up 520 points & 41 points to NC State (44); won game
5. Ohio St. - gave up 536 yards & 37 points to Michigan St. (10); won game
6. Baylor - gave up 712 yards & 46 points to Texas Tech (27); won game
None of these teams has given up more than 500 yards in any other game save for the ones mentioned above. Here are the off and def efficinecy rankings for the top 6:
Alabama - Off: 6 / Def: 11
Oregon - Off: 1 / Def: 46
TCU - Off: 12 / Def: 5
Florida St. - Off: 20 / Def: 44
Ohio St. - Off: 5 / Def: 39
Baylor - Off: 2 / Def: 27
Add in special teams and here are the overall efficiency rankings:
Alabama - 1
Oregon - 2
TCU - 3
Florida St. - 22
Ohio St. - 7
Baylor - 5
Point being, all of these teams could win the national title in my mind. And all deserve to be in the conversation. In my mind, the top 4 are Oregon, Alabama, TCU and Baylor. And I think any of the 4 could win it all.
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I'm not saying Baylor doesn't deserve to be in the conversation, but I just don't think they are in the same caliber as the other mentioned teams. I actually think the same thing about TCU. Neither will be winning a national title. I would even go on to say that Ohio State would beat either of them without their starting QB. Over the years I've seen the same thing over and over again (and even Oregon is somewhat at fault too) these teams come in with a high-flying offense and then they get stonewalled by a team that can play an inkling of defense. Every. Single. Time. And the stats time after time don't really tell us much. It's a factor, in the sense that being high is better than low, but what counts is being able to perform on the stage and execute. When these teams come up across a team that can really play ball and really want to win, if you give up 700 yards of offense as a Baylor team you are done. An Alabama team racking up 700 yards is a way different beast than a TCU or Baylor gaining 700. I don't think you can disagree its that.
I could be proven wrong come January, but I don't have a lot of faith in the Big 12 right now. I think rankings and stats say they're good, but idk.
I hope somebody other than Alabama wins, but, I just don't believe in the B12.
No kidding. Not to mention that with firing Pelini, it is championship or bust at Nebraska as the message to any coach. Can't be good just wining 9-10 games a year
I hope CSU picks him or Scott Frost up. But seriously. Eff Florida
That's fine - if you want to ignore the stats I posted above that's your prerogative. I would say that if any team can overcome giving up 700 yards its Baylor - they have the nation's best offense.
Also, my point in the above was to say that all these teams have one outlier and they play good to great defense. I'm going to guess you haven't watched any Baylor games but instead you listen to national pundits who use our defensive history (which is admittedly awful) and carry it over to this year.
The reality is our defense is actually really good. That Tech game was an outlier mainly because Petty went down and out with a minor concussion - that affected the whole team. We were up 42-17 just after he went out and from there it spiraled out of control.
I don't think there is one dominant college team this year. I think they could all win.