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I know it's only December, but United really needs to win the derby at home to stay within closing distance of City. I could understand bus-parking at the Emirates, but please don't do it at home! It's still going to be a tough ask without Pogba.
 
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Well hopefully not Wednesday night ;)

Just perused an ominous sentence in The Guardian/Observer (running feed) which read: "Arsenal look flaky at the back." You can have no idea how much that sentence irks and pains me..........they have learned nothing, nothing, nothing from their performances of the past few years.
 
Just perused an ominous sentence in The Guardian/Observer (running feed) which read: "Arsenal look flaky at the back." You can have no idea how much that sentence irks and pains me..........they have learned nothing, nothing, nothing from their performances of the past few years.
Yes I'm afraid the impenetrable Arsenal back four is a dim and distant memory.
 
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Yes I'm afraid the impenetrable Arsenal back four is a dim and distant memory.

How I long for those days - of early Mr Wenger; the days when he crafted a team comprised of serious, stolid - and tough - English defenders (who had just learned to love broccoli and discovered the improbable delights of a heathy diet and proper training and ditching the culture of buckets of beer) and skilled, ambitious, creative and intelligent French midfielders and forwards.

Those were the days.....

Three minutes. Three minutes before that brittle back four (or three, or whatever) leaked a goal today.
 
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How I long for those days - of early Mr Wenger; the days when he crafted a team comprised of serious, stolid - and tough - English defenders (who had just learned to love broccoli and discovered the improbable delights of a heathy diet and proper training and ditching the culture of buckets of beer) and skilled, ambitious, creative and intelligent French midfielders and forwards.

Those were the days.....

Three minutes. Three minutes before that brittle back four (or three, or whatever) leaked a goal today.
And no disrespect to Southampton, but hardly against the most prolific team either.
 
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And your back in!

Arsenal, you miserable (expleted deleted) putting me through an afternoon of suffering where I am sneaking peeks at the unfolding game in the office.

Conceding after three minutes, and clawing one back through the application of skill and persistence three minutes from time - that is, assuming no extra time is added on.

Yes, well, at this stage, I'll take a draw with massive relief.
 
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I HATE BIG SAM.

He's going to spend 45 minutes during the press conference bragging about this cowardly draw.

It's all Sadio Mane's fault - he had the chance to make it 2-0 in the first half, all he had to do was square it to any open of THREE players for a tap-in, and he got selfish.

I can't believe how angry I am right now. I just really dislike Allardyce. Boring, xenophobic fossil of a manager who will never win anything and whose entire approach is based on spoiling tactics.

Congrats, Big Sam. You've turned Everton into Bolton.
 
I HATE BIG SAM.

He's going to spend 45 minutes during the press conference bragging about this cowardly draw.

It's all Sadio Mane's fault - he had the chance to make it 2-0 in the first half, all he had to do was square it to any open of THREE players for a tap-in, and he got selfish.

I can't believe how angry I am right now. I just really dislike Allardyce. Boring, xenophobic fossil of a manager who will never win anything and whose entire approach is based on spoiling tactics.

Congrats, Big Sam. You've turned Everton into Bolton.

Yes, @Lord Blackadder, I agree.

But, having spent part of the afternoon cursing Arsenal, for their idiotic lapses of concentration and usual brittleness in defence, for Liverpool to have 80% possession, and countless attempts on goal - only to fritter all that away - strikes me as profligate and wasteful. The kind of wasteful that - unfortunately - gets punished.

And while Saleh is brilliant, Rooney is a clinical professional.
 
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I HATE BIG SAM.

He's going to spend 45 minutes during the press conference bragging about this cowardly draw.

It's all Sadio Mane's fault - he had the chance to make it 2-0 in the first half, all he had to do was square it to any open of THREE players for a tap-in, and he got selfish.

I can't believe how angry I am right now. I just really dislike Allardyce. Boring, xenophobic fossil of a manager who will never win anything and whose entire approach is based on spoiling tactics.

Congrats, Big Sam. You've turned Everton into Bolton.
I'm not a fan either. Not least because of the brown envelope fiasco.
But he never inspires the beautiful game.

Liverpool deserved all three points today.
 
Yes, @Lord Blackadder, I agree.

But, having spent part of the afternoon cursing Arsenal, for their idiotic lapses of concentration and usual brittleness in defence, for Liverpool to have 80% possession, and countless attempts on goal - only to fritter all that away - strikes me as profligate and wasteful. The kind of wasteful that - unfortunately - gets punished.

And while Saleh is brilliant, Rooney is a clinical professional.

Liverpool may have been profligate and wasteful, but Big Sam’s Everton were boring and unambitious. This was the best result he could possibly have hoped for - a draw. And he did it at a club that has spent a lot of money and should be able to go out and play football.
 
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Liverpool may have been profligate and wasteful, but Big Sam’s Everton were boring and unambitious. This was the best result he could possibly have hoped for - a draw. And he did it at a club that has spent a lot of money and should be able to go out and play football.

I don't disagree - I'd love to see class, grace, ambition and style rewarded.

But - and this is a criticism of both Liverpool and - more pertinently - Arsenal; firstly, both need to be better - a more focussed - in defence, and while both teams have stylish and classy players, sometimes their finishing lacks that clinical and lethal capacity that wins matches by taking their chances.
 
So, Man City really achieve liftoff. If they can be just average for the rest of the season, the league title is theirs, and Mourinho's record of always winning the league in his second season in charge is gone. I suspect they'll be better than average.

I don't disagree - I'd love to see class, grace, ambition and style rewarded.

But - and this is a criticism of both Liverpool and - more pertinently - Arsenal; firstly, both need to be better - a more focussed - in defence, and while both teams have stylish and classy players, sometimes their finishing lacks that clinical and lethal capacity that wins matches by taking their chances.

Liverpool created two excellent chances to score despite Big Sam doing everything possible to park the bus; Klopp's team only buried one of those chances, and that cost them two points.

The penalty was a little soft, but it shouldn't have mattered anyway. Liverpool are a Klopp team, and we need to come to grips with the fact that they aren't going to win games 1-0, they will win them 2-1 or 3-2 (with the odd 7-0 in there). That's part and parcel of life under Klopp, and I'm OK with that.

I have no problem with Klopp dropping Firmino and Coutinho to the bench. Liverpool completely dominated the game and should have won. The squad needs to be rotated from time to time, and I think the performance (if not the result) vindicated Klopp's decision.

If I were an Everton fan, I would not be pleased with where Allardyce is taking the Blues. They've been winning lately, but is this really an improvement over the Moyes era? I doubt it.
 
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