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So, Switzerland defeat Serbia - another 90th minute goal (and Granit Xhaka with a superb goal - Balkan politics got a bit of a look in here, for both of Switzerland's goal scorers have Albanian or Kosovar names) by two goals to one.

Serbia will be livid at the clear penalty they were denied, but they also failed to put away some rather good chances; such profligacy usually comes wth a price.
 
So, Switzerland defeat Serbia - another 90th minute goal (and Granit Xhaka with a superb goal - Balkan politics got a bit of a look in here, for both of Switzerland's goal scorers have Albanian or Kosovar names) by two goals to one.

Serbia will be livid at the clear penalty they were denied, but they also failed to put away some rather good chances; such profligacy usually comes wth a price.

It wasn't a classic, but a pretty evenly-matched game that could have gone either way.
 
Frankly speaking, and the two IPAs aside, my word is it hard to keep track of all those Serbian and similar names. I about had an aneurysm keeping track.
 
Actually, it was a far better match than I had thought it would be; a classic, well, perhaps not, but a fiercely fought contest, where the outcome was not certain until the final whistle, most certainly.
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Frankly speaking, and the two IPAs aside, my word is it hard to keep track of all those Serbian and similar names. I about had an aneurysm keeping track.

The solution is simple: Spend some time there.

When there are electoral contests to observe, monitor, supervise, you very quickly master the names - not least because the consequences for not doing so could be unfortunate.
 
It is a classic because many people from ex-Yugoslavia live in Switzerland.

Switzerland always gives many points to these countries in Eurovision (multiple voting, I guess).

No, with respect that doesn't make it a classic as a football match, rather, it explains why people (individuals) - and soccer players - might be most motivated in relatively tranquil societies such as Switzerland.
 
No, with respect that doesn't make it a classic as a football match, rather, it explains why people (individuals) - and soccer players - might be most motivated in relatively tranquil societies such as Switzerland.
It is as classic as a classic between two teams from the same city.
 
It is as classic as a classic between two teams from the same city.

Ah, the frisson of unwelcome intimacy tempered by sibling rivalry. Oooooh.

Yes.

This is serious - and carries a political heft, freighted cultural baggage and all - and weight - that some of the more elevated contests will never be able to muster, try though they may.
 
The Messi v Ronaldo debate is beyond tedious, but at the risk of getting involved I think it is important to contextualize their contrasting fortunes in the World Cup:

Ronaldo has always been a more selfish player who shines when he is "the man" in a team that looks to him for the crucial moments of inspiration. Real Madrid, a team of individuals and "moments", is perfectly suited to him as a result. He is too egotistical in his personality and playing style to work within a "system". This is also true for Portugal - a decent, but mediocre, national team from a relatively small country. Portugal are never expected to win the World Cup or even reach the final. Ronaldo is thus not under any real pressure to carry his team to real success in a World Cup, and by winning a few group games in style he has done his job.

Messi, on the other hand, has always shone best when he is in a team of well-drilled players who are executing a system where Messi is the key creator and attacking threat - but not the ONLY threat. More importantly, he plays for a much more illustrious national side with massive and frankly unrealistic expectations. He is being asked to play like a Ronaldo when he is in fact a Messi -different players, both brilliant.

In short, the comparison between the two is ludicrous because we are talking about a team sport and two vastly different national teams with totally different competitive challenges and domestic expectations. Messi has not failed Argentina - Argentina have failed Messi. Case closed.

Also, I was wrong when I said Pepe is no longer playing for the Portuguese national team...he reminded us all of his presence with an unbelievably cynical flop. Words fail me. What a rotten so-and-so Pepe is. He might not pull peoples' arms out of their sockets, but he's one of the dirtiest players out there, is Pepe.



Funny you should respond this way - Yesterday I came across a PhD dissertation someone wrote that touches this very subject:

¡Animales!: Civility, Modernity, and Constructions of Identity in Argentine Soccer, 1955-1970



Brazil still looked only half-convincing, against a team who are good but not contenders. Coutinho is currently outshining the vaunted Neymar.

It’s funny how Messi always gets an excuse for under preforming. The other two players considered to be the best in the on world have out preformed him to a great degree already.

If you want to say it’s about pressure, Neymar has more pressure on him then Messi. Brazil is expected to win the WC. Argentina is just expected to make it past the group stages and maybe make a run.

All I hear are excuses. Everyone player in this tournament has pressure on them to win for their nation. I don’t want to hear Messi has more. Either you can deal with, or you can’t. He obviously can not. He chokes in the biggest moments for his nation. He can’t handle the pressure. On the other hand, Ronaldo has ice in his veins.

This WC is ending the Messi v Ronaldo debate. Ronaldo is clearly the best ever. Sorry, but Messi just doesn’t have that next gear to remove all the noise.
 
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Well done to Nigeria for waking up and showing what they can do. Shame Argentina will ruin it all even though i want them out of the tournament for simply being useless and full of excuses. No one should be qualifying after botching 2 games already.

Well done to the Swiss for grit and team work. The Brazil win left a bittersweet taste in my mouth because of this farce

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It is not how many stars you have but how well the players work together.

Well how’s fault is that? Do Real Madrid. It play well together? Is that what everyone is going to blame Barcelona lost to Roma on? They didn’t play well together. How long have these same Argentinian players been together? It’s all just excuses. Give it a rest.
 
Well how’s fault is that? Do Real Madrid. It play well together? Is that what everyone is going to blame Barcelona lost to Roma on? They didn’t play well together. How long have these same Argentinian players been together? It’s all just excuses. Give it a rest.
Argentina exports all their best players to many countries. Then they get together for a little while to play.

And you need a good manager.
 
Who on Portugal play together on a club team?
Currently only two but you also have to look at relatively recently history.

Maybe big egos are more of a problem.

Argentina's manager has only been at the job for one year. Portugal's manager had they win Euro 2016.
 
Currently only two but you also have to look at relatively recently history.

Maybe big egos are more of a problem.

Argentina's manager has only been at the job for one year. Portugal's manager had they win Euro 2016.

Yeah as I said all excuses for why Messi has been very poor internationally.
 
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