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I think the Argentinian fans flamed Pekerman years ago and they are now regretting it.
 
What is interesting is how this reflects a wider decline in the calibre or quality of football from the region.

In the 70s and 80s, irrespective of where the WC was played (granted, playing somewhere in the Americas did appear to confer some sort of advantage to the teams from central and south America, as playing in Europe appeared to bestow a small advantage to the European teams)) Argentina, and Brazil, not to mention Uruguay - and occasionally Mexico - were always seen as serious opponents, not to be taken lightly, and two of them, Argentina and Brazil, were always viewed as serious contenders who could compete for the WC right up to, and including, the final.

Not any longer.

Yeah, I mean when I was growing up. Brazil and Argentina were the teams everyone favored to win the WC. If you halfway cared about football in the USA, you liked Brazil. Now how many titles have gone to the European teams?

South America have some good players, but they don’t have any complete teams. Why this is, I don’t know. Sure would be fun if Brazil went to another level and competed for the cup this year.
 
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Russia looking very ordinary against competent opposition; barely twenty minutes gone and they are already two-nil down against Uruguay.

While they have qualified for the knock-out stages, - always a good idea when one is the host - I wouldn't wager much on them progressing any farther.

Elsewhere, Egypt (courtesy of Mo Salah) lead Saudi-Arabia by a goal to nil.
 
I really like that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are showing so much passion in a game that doesn’t matter. Just the passion to win for your country. It’s pretty awesome!
 
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Nice win for Uruguay. Elsewhere, in a tense ending, Saudi Arabia ekes out a win with a last-minute goal.
 
- Serbia fined
- 2 Serbian officials fined
- 3 Swiss players fined
- Argentina fined
- Croatia fined
 
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Russia looking very ordinary against competent opposition; barely twenty minutes gone and they are already two-nil down against Uruguay.

While they have qualified for the knock-out stages, - always a good idea when one is the host - I wouldn't wager much on them progressing any farther.

Elsewhere, Egypt (courtesy of Mo Salah) lead Saudi-Arabia by a goal to nil.

Well against a decent team no surprise although I had hopes for Egypt.
 
Finally the Russians take the beating they most certainly deserve. Egypt are a better team than results suggest, but had rotten luck and underperformed somewhat. Sergio Ramos should not plan a vacation to Egypt. Ever.

Portugal and Panama represent the two chief ways a football team can cheat. Panama kick the living **** out of their opponents, while Portugal flop, dive, roll on the ground, and time-waste their way to a 1-0. Without Ronaldo they are nowhere...

Come to think of it, just imagine what a Portugal - Panama match would look like...11 Panamanian players standing with their arms outstretched in the international sign of innocence, each with a Portuguese player rolling at his feet holding his face...half legitimate fouls, and half dives.

Spain get a slice of luck and equalize in a match they probably deserve to lose.
 
I am currently basking in Ronnie's pain.

Spain have an easy round of 16 opponent in Russia, while Uruguay v Portugal could be spicy - lots of skilled-yet-dirty players in that match.

Good showing by Iran, it was agonizing to see them fail to win by the tiniest of margins.
 
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Finally the Russians take the beating they most certainly deserve. Egypt are a better team than results suggest, but had rotten luck and underperformed somewhat. Sergio Ramos should not plan a vacation to Egypt. Ever.
Sergio Ramos had nothing to do with Egypt’s play in this World Cup. To suggest that is completely off base. Egypt had their chances once Salah was back and they couldn’t do anything. Is this the excuse Liverpool and Egyptian fans will use like the Argentina fans say Messi has too much pressure on him? Come on now.

Portugal and Panama represent the two chief ways a football team can cheat. Panama kick the living **** out of their opponents, while Portugal flop, dive, roll on the ground, and time-waste their way to a 1-0. Without Ronaldo they are nowhere...

Come to think of it, just imagine what a Portugal - Panama match would look like...11 Panamanian players standing with their arms outstretched in the international sign of innocence, each with a Portuguese player rolling at his feet holding his face...half legitimate fouls, and half dives.
Were you watching the same game I was? There have been dives and fouls from every team in this WC. Portugal is not even close to the level of Panama.
 
It’s funny to see people’s biases here. I of course have mine being that I absolutely hate Mexico, and wish them nothing but the worse in the rest of the tournament. Seeing games completely different and holding those biases over a team is kind of funny. It’s hard to be objective, but sometimes the bias is just a bit much. Fandom is a funny thing.
 
Two extraordinary matches whereby Spain and Portugal were both made to look ordinary. Iran were actually unlucky not to win against Portugal who - without Ronaldo as part of the equation - do look rather pedestrian.

Mind you, I did think Spain would be better, but by the end of the game, they were damned lucky to draw. Morocco fought very well.
 
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Two extraordinary matches whereby Spain and Portugal were both made to look ordinary. Iran were actually unlucky not to win against Portugal who - without Ronaldo as part of the equation - do look rather pedestrian.

Mind you, I did think Spain would be better, but by the end of the game, they were damned lucky to draw. Morocco fought very well.

Seems this coaching change is doing them in. What a stupid decision by the Spanish federation. My Belgium pick seems more and more possible each day.
 
Continuing debate over the PK against Portugal and whether Crispy should have been sent off for pushing an Iranian player.

I haven't seen the handball incident, but reading several minute-by-minutes, it sounds like a blown call - ball to hand - despite VAR.
 
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At least we know @jkcerda moonlights as Sampaoli (apart from being a Carlo Rota impersonator) when Sampaoli doesn't want to take his mug public for fear of being attacked.

Oh, my, Carlo Rota can do a TV film on the demise of the Argentine national team and play as Sampaoli.
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not a sports fan but........
 
I said the national teams were not as good as the European teams this year. Your argument was that some South American players play in Europe for club teams. That doesn’t mean anything since I am not talking about club football. There is not a national team in South America right now other than maybe Brazil that has a chance of winning the WC.


Pardon my typo. Someone gets real bent out of shape when South American teams get talked about poorly. Sorry I am just stating the obvious. The clear favorites right now after two group stage games are European teams. Please tell me a none European team that has a shot right now?

you are not stating the "obvious" thats your opinion...brazil used to be good like i said earlier
 
you are not stating the "obvious" thats your opinion...brazil used to be good like i said earlier

Nobody doubts that the South American teams - especially Brazil and Uruguay - "used to be good", indeed, extremely good, and consistently counted among the best teams on the planet; but, the point is that, nowadays, they are no longer considered to be among the very best.

Jorge Valdarno (who played for Argentina - scoring in the final when they beat what was then West Germany in 1986 - and later managed Real Madrid) wrote an excellent piece discussing some of the matters in yesterday's Guardian; well worth a read.
 
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