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Arsenal also can’t claim a top four spot now.
So only a Europa league win will get them CL football and help them attract some much needed talent.
Especially with Ramsey and Cech leaving the club.
 
Arsenal also can’t claim a top four spot now.
So only a Europa league win will get them CL football and help them attract some much needed talent.
Especially with Ramsey and Cech leaving the club.

More bothered about Ramsay than Cech; Leno is a better goalkeeper.

But, of course, Arsenal would have to find a way to screw up the possibility of a fourth place slot. They couldn't not do that, it was too tempting.

A clear out in the summer may beckon, methinks.
 
I'm having a hard time thinking of first team players that United should realistically keep and build around. The list of players who should be unceremoniously shown the door is far more comprehensive. Absolutely appalling effort today.
 
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For quite a few of the PL clubs!

If they can be persuaded to make serious offers.

Mind you, there are a few on that team I'd off load for free.

I'm having a hard time thinking of first team players that United should realistically keep and build around. The list of players who should be unceremoniously shown the door is far more comprehensive. Absolutely appalling effort today.

And we were embarrassing.

Agree that several of our underwhelming lot also deserve to be shown the door.
 
What a truly bizarre "race" for the top four...Arsenal and Man Utd are being more Spursy than Spurs. Who are themselves being pretty Spursy (injuries being a substantial factor though). Chelsea perhaps the "least worst" of the group in terms of late-season form.

Not going to bother watching the Anfield leg of the Liverpool-Barca tie. If it turns out to be a legendary upset, I'll download it and watch it later. But really, we know what's about to happen. I generally enjoy watching Messi and Suarez, but this time I can skip it.

I'm having a hard time thinking of first team players that United should realistically keep and build around. The list of players who should be unceremoniously shown the door is far more comprehensive. Absolutely appalling effort today.

For years now you'd be saying 100% de Gea. But now, even he is suspect. I'd argue that there isn't a single player in the Man Utd squad that can be considered safe. And of course you'd have to say the same for the manager. There is no clear foundation right now. Lots of expensive players, but no real plan or cohesion, and morale has dropped again.
 
What a truly bizarre "race" for the top four...Arsenal and Man Utd are being more Spursy than Spurs. Who are themselves being pretty Spursy (injuries being a substantial factor though). Chelsea perhaps the "least worst" of the group in terms of late-season form.

Not going to bother watching the Anfield leg of the Liverpool-Barca tie. If it turns out to be a legendary upset, I'll download it and watch it later. But really, we know what's about to happen. I enjoy wathcing Messi and Suarez, but this time I can skip it.



For years now you'd be saying 100% de Gea. But now, even he is suspect. I'd argue that there isn't a single player in the Man Utd squad that can be considered safe. And of course you'd have to say the same for the manager. There is no clear foundation right now. Lots of expensive players, but no real plan or cohesion, and morale has dropped again.

Manchester United - although - individually - they have an exceptionally talented group of players at their disposal - have failed to craft a team identity and team spirit from that group (the contrast with teams such as Wolves and Leicester - to name but two who play with formidable spirit as a group - is striking).

Their lack of cohesion as a team, as has been pointed out by @Lord Blackadder, has been very evident.

And some (overpaid) players are simply not as committed as they might have been.

Spurs are indeed, being "spursy", and have some terrific players (who do play as a team), but lack strength in depth, with injuries and end of season fatigue catching up with them.

Chelsea have some of the same issues as Spurs, along with a manager who does not seem to enjoy the full support of either the fans or senior management (who have their own issues), although his rigidity at times may have contributed to that.

Arsenal have their best players in defence (Holding and Bellerin) injured for months, meaning that the porous defence and brittle midfield both need attention, something that I daresay Emery will begin to address over the summer.

While I can understand the reasons behind the planned departure of Welbeck, and, indeed, Cech, letting Ramsay go on a free transfer, instead of renewing his contract for at least another year - the player cares and is solid in defence - strikes me as the height of folly in the absence of other options.
 
While I can understand the reasons behind the planned departure of Welbeck, and, indeed, Cech, letting Ramsay go on a free transfer, instead of renewing his contract for at least another year - the player cares and is solid in defence - strikes me as the height of folly in the absence of other options.

The Ramsey thing is insane, but Arsenal have done that before. If you don't want to keep him, fine - but for goodness' sake, don't give him away for free!

There is absolutely no reasonable justification for that. It's incompetent.
 
The Ramsey thing is insane, but Arsenal have done that before. If you don't want to keep him, fine - but for goodness' sake, don't give him away for free!

There is absolutely no reasonable justification for that. It's incompetent.

Worse, he is an excellent player, with some defensive ability, and (unlike some of his team mates) he actually cares about the outcome of matches where Arsenal have played.

His tears when he appeared at the Emirates were testimony to that.

Giving him away for free is nuts, but equally mentally defective or deficient is not offering him a decent (and improved) contract for a further year.
 
For years now you'd be saying 100% de Gea. But now, even he is suspect. I'd argue that there isn't a single player in the Man Utd squad that can be considered safe. And of course you'd have to say the same for the manager. There is no clear foundation right now. Lots of expensive players, but no real plan or cohesion, and morale has dropped again.

Correct; but now it looks like DDG really needs a change of scenery. I'd hate to lose him even after his horrible run of recent form, but moving on from his looks like the best move for all parties involved.

I'd keep Lindelöf. He's been very good this year. McTominay has really stepped up his game and is one of the few players who still looks like he actually cares. Rashford has way too much promise to give up on just yet. I'd love to have a squad deep enough for Lingard to be a squad player, he was never the same this year after his injury troubles. Andres Pereira still has some potential IMO. Dalot is still very young. The rest, I honestly wouldn't miss at this point.
 
De Gea was once the most sought-after keeper in the world. You'd have to assume that the current dip is not a permanent decline, but it could hurt his value if he is sold this summer.

I'd keep Lindelöf. He's been very good this year. McTominay has really stepped up his game and is one of the few players who still looks like he actually cares. Rashford has way too much promise to give up on just yet. I'd love to have a squad deep enough for Lingard to be a squad player, he was never the same this year after his injury troubles. Andres Pereira still has some potential IMO. Dalot is still very young. The rest, I honestly wouldn't miss at this point.

Given the strength of the squad on paper, and the fact that so much money has been spent, I'd have to think that the top priority should be putting together a director of football / manager combo that gives the club a long-term technical plan, squad strengthening strategy, tactical identity, and a clear idea of how to use the current squad in a more effective manner. True, some of the players probably need to go either way, but without a competent hand at the controls at two levels (director of football and manager), the ship will remain largely rudderless and probably lurch from crisis to crisis, and buying more players is just playing roulette.

Granted, OGS is now the manager, so the dice have been cast there. But they can still bring in a director who could provide some badly needed guidance at a higher level, and serve as an intermediary between the rapacious owners and stuffed shirt Woodward on one hand and OGS, the players, and the actual football on the other.
 
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If Man City win the league this year, what a cracking goal to win by! Fantastic strike by Kompany. Unstoppable.

Pundits and fans will try to identify "The Moment" that Man City "won" the league or Liverpool "lost" it. There are a million examples that people can make a case for. The reality, however, is that each example is equally valid. The race for the title was so close that changing any single pair of results from the entire season changes the outcome.

It's pretty crazy that Liverpool are likely to finish second despite having lost just once all season. Almost every league title ever won was taken with an inferior record/points total to that.
 
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Pundits and fans will try to identify "The Moment" that Man City "won" the league or Liverpool "lost" it. There are a million examples that people can make a case for. The reality, however, is that each example is equally valid. The race for the title was so close that changing any single pair of results from the entire season changes the outcome.

It's pretty crazy that Liverpool are likely to finish second despite having lost just once all season. Almost every league title ever won was taken with an inferior record/points total to that.

Agreed, - Liverpool have had an outstanding season, and to have been defeated only once all season is a magnificent achievement - but they can keep the pressure on City until the very last day; City are not invincible.
 
Pundits and fans will try to identify "The Moment" that Man City "won" the league or Liverpool "lost" it. There are a million examples that people can make a case for. The reality, however, is that each example is equally valid. The race for the title was so close that changing any single pair of results from the entire season changes the outcome.

It's pretty crazy that Liverpool are likely to finish second despite having lost just once all season. Almost every league title ever won was taken with an inferior record/points total to that.
Well I like to think it was the draw with West Ham in February. That’s certainly what I’ll be saying to the Liverpool fan I sit next to!
 
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