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The 2022-2023 Football Thread
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Good final game of the year.
Tomiyasu let Brighton back in by failing to shut down his fellow countryman like Ben White did.
Good resurgence by Brighton but Arsenal hold firm...just. Front four involved again. Saliba looked leggy today.
De Zerbi doing a good job at Brighton. Gave arsenal a game without their two best midfielders.
Tomiyasu let Brighton back in by failing to shut down his fellow countryman like Ben White did.
Good resurgence by Brighton but Arsenal hold firm...just. Front four involved again. Saliba looked leggy today.
De Zerbi doing a good job at Brighton. Gave arsenal a game without their two best midfielders.
Yes, Saliba was "leggy", but I am more impressed by the fact that four different individuals scored goals for Arsenal, and that this young team seems to be playing well together, and also, does not wilt when set-backs occur.
I never thought we would be leading the table by seven points approaching the New Year.
No, I don't think he (Mr Moyes) is "great", and nor does anyone else who has posted here; to suggest that is to misunderstand or misrepresent what we have written.
Rather, I simply think that with the resources at his disposal be has done a reasonably good job at West Ham, (at least, until this season), but that time and circumstances (and the limitations of his own abilities) may be running against him.
As an Arsenal fan i do not want 2022 to end and i hope we continue this run into 2023.
Squeaky bum time avoided tonight thanks to VAR.
Another 3 points.
Top of the table.
City and Newcastle dropping points
7 points clear now.
Something is happening at Arsenal and i dont know about my fellow Gooners but im starting to believe now that we can achieve something special this season.
Happy New Year to you all.
Squeaky bum time avoided tonight thanks to VAR.
Another 3 points.
Top of the table.
City and Newcastle dropping points
7 points clear now.
Something is happening at Arsenal and i dont know about my fellow Gooners but im starting to believe now that we can achieve something special this season.
Happy New Year to you all.
Lol! 🤣 It's about time the myth of limited resources was debunked once and for all:
Big-spending Arsenal third in net spend table
Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal are still ahead of the other 17.
www.football365.com
So, that's West Ham 4th, after Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea. Liverpool and Man City down in 9th and 10th respectively. And for the 2022 summer transfer window, West Ham are third:
Revisiting every Premier League club's net spend in summer 2022
Now that the January transfer window has rolled around, attention has turned back to signings. So much has happened these past few months that it's already easy to forget which clubs already spent a ton in the summer and which could afford to push the boat out a little more in the mid-season...
www.planetfootball.com
Facts tend to tell a better picture than myths...
I was referring more to the likes of Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Fulham, Crystal Palace and Brighton, against whom Liverpool have had poor results, but you knew that. I spose Arsenal are a 'smaller' club than Liverpool if you consider trophies won, particularly European Cups, but then every club is 'smaller' in that respect. But I consider Arsenal to be a 'big' club in terms of world football, bigger certainly than Man City, who have simply bought success rather than having a legacy of greatness. Sames Chelsea, although they have won the Big Cup twice now. But generally the 'small' clubs are the likes of the aforementioned. Including West Ham.
Best of luck, but remember; it's the hope that kills...
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So you've been poor (and good) i.e. inconsistent against small and big clubs alike then. You're just choosing to have selective memory.
Also find it interesting you're looking down on West Ham and their managerial choice, when you've been managed by Woy Hodgson.
Also find it interesting you're looking down on West Ham and their managerial choice, when you've been managed by Woy Hodgson.
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But you have to consider the starting point. A team with 150 million worth of squad will need to spend a lot less in the next few years than a club with a squad of older players worth 50 million.Lol! 🤣 It's about time the myth of limited resources was debunked once and for all:
Big-spending Arsenal third in net spend table
Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal are still ahead of the other 17.
So, that's West Ham 4th, after Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea. Liverpool and Man City down in 9th and 10th respectively. And for the 2022 summer transfer window, West Ham are third:
Revisiting every Premier League club's net spend in summer 2022
Now that the January transfer window has rolled around, attention has turned back to signings. So much has happened these past few months that it's already easy to forget which clubs already spent a ton in the summer and which could afford to push the boat out a little more in the mid-season...
Facts tend to tell a better picture than myths...
You can argue the facts for whatever viewpoint fits your narrative.
I’m not saying we have bought well over the years. But a club like West Ham has to take a bit more of a risk in the transfer market. Some players work out. Some don’t. If you are one of the greedy six, players want to come to you. It’s less risky to sign an already established top player.
Not all players who look good in Germany or Spain are good enough for the PL.
Then consider the way the big clubs treat teenagers. They sign loads of them and then cast them adrift when they are done with them. Often leaving them demoralised and with nowhere to go.
I've been off the 'net for the holidays, so I missed commenting on Pele's passing. Agree with silencio - the 'greatest player' debate is what it is, and I don't really care about it - but that aside Pele is certainly the most significant figure in world football from the postwar era, and very likely the most significant figure in the game full stop.
Pele will forever be the face of the game. Football is Pele, Pele is football.
Pele will forever be the face of the game. Football is Pele, Pele is football.
No I'm not. Liverpool have struggled against smaller teams they would be expected to have beaten. The games against bigger clubs like Arsenal and Man U, are not ones they would automatically expect to win, especially away (although their form over the last few years against both has been excellent). Liverpool have been inconsistent, I'm not arguing against that.
So; you're choosing one terrible manager in recent history. Selective memory right there. West Ham have had Moyes twice, Slaven Billic, Sam Allardyce and Glen Roeder. Twice. 🤣 Remind me how many trophies West Ham have won. Ever. Klopp has won more major honours at Liverpool than West Ham have in their entire history, in just seven years. Facts.
Of course. Which is exactly what you're doing. Thank You.
Sam Allardyce was a terrible fit for West Ham. As was Pelagrinie. Slaven Billic was a nostalgic posting.
But I think you are being a bit unfair to the others. Outside of the greedy six finishing seventh is about as good as it gets. Roeder guided us to 7th in his first year. A brain tumour meant things were not as easy after that.
He died in 2021 aged 65.
Moyes saved us from relegation twice. Also guided us to sixth last time out and the semis of the Europa League. If we had a bigger squad we might have got a CL spot which we flirted with all season.
You’d also say Everton have faired worse since they parted ways with him. He has the 4th most wins in the PL as a manager. 3rd is Harry Redknapp. Klopp is 10th in that list.
And you're selectively choosing one of your best managers. Point is, clubs appoint great and terrible managers in their timeline. Liverpool are no exception.
I still think Hodgson was/is a good manager. He and Liverpool were simply a bad fit.
There is a need in the football mediasphere to label players and managers winners or losers, legends or donkeys. But that's just an oversimplification. As managers always remark, they're geniuses when they win, and buffoons when they lose. Fans are tribal and fantastically capricious.
Like in Welcome to Wrexham when the fans get restless over results and start calling for Phil Parkinson's head. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth...as if signing two ringer strikers and a flashy manager means automatic promotion.
There is a need in the football mediasphere to label players and managers winners or losers, legends or donkeys. But that's just an oversimplification. As managers always remark, they're geniuses when they win, and buffoons when they lose. Fans are tribal and fantastically capricious.
Like in Welcome to Wrexham when the fans get restless over results and start calling for Phil Parkinson's head. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth...as if signing two ringer strikers and a flashy manager means automatic promotion.
The thing is sometimes it’s not even about what your team is doing. Sometimes another team is just better than yours. Other years a team wins the title because the opposition isn’t very good that year.
So you get to selectively choose one manager, but I'm not allowed to? Lol! Just shows how poor your argument is.
Only because he's been managing for longer than most. The real meaningful stats to look at are win percentages and trophies per season. Go look that up, and then tell me where Moyes is in those tables. 🤣
He's also crap. He's won nothing outside of Sweden and Denmark ffs! Oh and a Swiss cup. Woohoo. He was a terrible appointment, and one which pretty much every Liverpool fan hated. He changed the system to a crap one, brought in some crap players (Christian Poulsen ffs...), and dragged Liverpool right down the table. Thought a draw was a good result. Absolutely no idea what it takes to make a club successful in a proper league. And then he got the England job! 🤣 And he's been crap ever since. His problem is that he doesn't know how to set up teams to attack; his whole plan is based on defence. Took some time for the damage he caused at Liverpool to be reversed. He will always be reviled on the red half of Merseyside. But then; he has at least won something, somewhere, so in that respect, he's better than Moyes. 🤣
Glad I am too busy with work to watch today's 'crap' against the Bees. Sigh.
Most football fan opinions are also 'crap', yet they tend to drive the narrative. You can trace almost every single such opinion back to a results-orientation and a need for binary judgments (everything must be either 'Brilliant' or 'Crap'). So yeah, if winning is everything "analysis" of the game becomes a simple question of who can shout the same 'crap' loudest and with the most venom. Result: Arsenal TV and most so-called punditry. But I agree that it was the wrong appointment. When Benitez left manty were looking for a more attack-minded manager, and Hodgson was not that kind of manager. He inherited a mediocre squad and failed to improve it. Results were crap, the play was crap, the mood was pretty crap. And then a lot of fans made it personal with Hodgson, which left a sour taste in my mouth, even though I was unhappy with results and Liverpool's trajectory at the time. He left behind some great GIFs to be fair.
The Anfield Wrap podcast usually strikes a good balance between emotional venting followed by a more reasonable nuancing of the initial outburst.
Most football fan opinions are also 'crap', yet they tend to drive the narrative. You can trace almost every single such opinion back to a results-orientation and a need for binary judgments (everything must be either 'Brilliant' or 'Crap'). So yeah, if winning is everything "analysis" of the game becomes a simple question of who can shout the same 'crap' loudest and with the most venom. Result: Arsenal TV and most so-called punditry. But I agree that it was the wrong appointment. When Benitez left manty were looking for a more attack-minded manager, and Hodgson was not that kind of manager. He inherited a mediocre squad and failed to improve it. Results were crap, the play was crap, the mood was pretty crap. And then a lot of fans made it personal with Hodgson, which left a sour taste in my mouth, even though I was unhappy with results and Liverpool's trajectory at the time. He left behind some great GIFs to be fair.
The Anfield Wrap podcast usually strikes a good balance between emotional venting followed by a more reasonable nuancing of the initial outburst.
Wow.
Brentford defeat Liverpool by three goals to one.
Re football commentary and punditry, I agree with @Lord Blackadder about the unfortunate proliferation of blunt, binary judgments (that old "brilliant" or "crap").
Personally, I prefer matters a bit more nuanced and balanced and thoughtful; judgment, even negative judgment, does not always need to be expressed in such vehement terms.
Moreover, my own personal view is that the very noun "crap" runs the risk of being cheapened, and its potential power diluted, by overuse.
The English language is descriptive enough, and sufficiently rich to allow disgreeement, and differing - and strong - views to be expressed fluently and eloquently, without recourse to the use, abuse, misuse, - and overuse - of such crude terms when writing about footballing matters.
Brentford defeat Liverpool by three goals to one.
Re football commentary and punditry, I agree with @Lord Blackadder about the unfortunate proliferation of blunt, binary judgments (that old "brilliant" or "crap").
Personally, I prefer matters a bit more nuanced and balanced and thoughtful; judgment, even negative judgment, does not always need to be expressed in such vehement terms.
Moreover, my own personal view is that the very noun "crap" runs the risk of being cheapened, and its potential power diluted, by overuse.
The English language is descriptive enough, and sufficiently rich to allow disgreeement, and differing - and strong - views to be expressed fluently and eloquently, without recourse to the use, abuse, misuse, - and overuse - of such crude terms when writing about footballing matters.
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From the bits of the first half I saw, Liverpool just weren't going anywhere today. The OG was unlucky but Brentford were given far too much time and space in dangerous areas, and that's when these sorts of things happen. Nunez continues to almost deliver, but there was no rousing comeback to celebrate.
On a different day this could easily have been a draw but that doesn't change the fact that 'Pool were bad. Since this season is a 'race for fourth' now, it's hard to get either excited about wins or upset about losses.
The entire season now hinges on our two-legger against (sigh) Real Madrid.
On a different day this could easily have been a draw but that doesn't change the fact that 'Pool were bad. Since this season is a 'race for fourth' now, it's hard to get either excited about wins or upset about losses.
The entire season now hinges on our two-legger against (sigh) Real Madrid.
Isn't that the world we live in now though? Everything MUST be a polar opposite.
A player is brilliant, no he's crap.
A manager is good, no he is awful.
VAR got it wrong, it was the correct decision.
Its even worse outside of football. Sometimes life is not polar opposites but some where in-between.
Is Moyes a great manager? There are better managers around, and there are worse ones. But we are not likely to attract the best manager at West Ham just as we won't attract the best players.
As for tonight's result, I didn't see it either, but a most impressive result for the Bee's without their leading goalscorer, Toney.
You forgot to add that we also have to always double or triple down on our strongly-held opinions regardless of the arrival of new circumstances and information.
Leaving him out was a gamble.