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Good for you - and I completely agree. I'm swapping my Air out if I miss anything in the first 2 weeks but tbh I think I'm ready for it and can live with its compromises just fine. If anything were to swing me it'd be the back camera situation I think.

The widespread crash out happening over the Air is fascinating from a psychological perspective. It seems a little like some Pro users are a bit mad they can't have the most beautiful model, so have to try and convince themselves the Air is completely appalling.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of reviews show it's a very capable phone, albeit with understandable compromises given its thin profile.

You can have the sexiest iPhone OR the most powerful one. You can't have both this year. Deal with it.

I personally don’t like how the Air looks so to me, the Pros are sexier. It’s all a matter of preference
 
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Whatever else can or can't be said about the Air, all the reviewers/influencers and forums must absolutely love it. It's probably driven more clicks, reactions, view time and engagement/discussions than any Apple product in years.
 
He's the only one who found that. Possible he got a bum one, or was doing it when loading everything in the background, or probably more likely he's doing a specific test that is particularly poorly suited for the Air. But I watched and read a bunch of reviews today and he's the only one who came to that conclusion, and in fact I saw multiple others that directly contradict his findings. So I'm inclined to believe it's not representative.

But many people will have them in our hands in approximately 48 hours, and then it'll be plain for all to see. There's not really any point in arguing about it.

he also criticised the zoom but petapixel were impressed by it.
 
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Well, according to this review, after a 20 minutes graphic intensive testing, the A19 Pro on the iPhone Air is worse than the A19, and that's after a couple of tests, one of them inside a fridge to keep the Air as cool as possible:


Sounds to me like the A19 Pro version used in the Air is powered down to assist with battery life or something?. Definitely gimmicky.

Shock horror ! - thin and light phone throttles under heavy load what a disappointment, lets put it in the fridge for a faux dramatic moment

everything’s fine - giant phone with dedicated heat management design throttles almost the same as last year’s model - no fuss at all

I’d have been way more disappointed at the throttling of the pro/pro max than the air becuase its failing at something it is explicitly designed to do
 
Well, according to this review, after a 20 minutes graphic intensive testing, the A19 Pro on the iPhone Air is worse than the A19, and that's after a couple of tests, one of them inside a fridge to keep the Air as cool as possible:


Sounds to me like the A19 Pro version used in the Air is powered down to assist with battery life or something?. Definitely gimmicky.

From the early battery testing it's competitive with the 17, which has a ~17% larger battery capacity. So it must be the A19 pro?


Sorry but there are tons of compromises. The battery is going to get more wear than a normal battery so battery life might be ok now, but in a year or 2? Camera is massively compromised. So there’s 3 compromises right there.

Why would it wear more than any other battery? From early battery testing it's not much of a compromise compared to the 17. Of course if you want max battery you're going to the Pro models and not even looking at the Air.

He's the only one who found that. Possible he got a bum one, or was doing it when loading everything in the background, or probably more likely he's doing a specific test that is particularly poorly suited for the Air. But I watched and read a bunch of reviews today and he's the only one who came to that conclusion, and in fact I saw multiple others that directly contradict his findings. So I'm inclined to believe it's not representative.

But many people will have them in our hands in approximately 48 hours, and then it'll be plain for all to see. There's not really any point in arguing about it.

I think MKBHD got a similar result but there are also multiple other people that didn't. But I haven't seen any tests that put it much higher than an A19. Ultimately I don't think it really matters in the real world or for people choosing the Air. It looks like the chip is for efficiency/battery rather than performance. My only gripe is Apple touting Pro performance and the price tag. That being said, I'm still looking forward to getting mine.

This. The Air is not for everyone. It's just odd how much attention it's getting from the people who aren't its target audience.

Just enjoy your Pro? I don't understand it.

I'm sure Apple is eating all this up. The Air is getting attention all over, praise from minimalists, hate from maximalist Pro users and value oriented non-pro consumers. Ultimately just helping their bottom line.
 
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Why would it wear more than any other battery? From early battery testing it's not much of a compromise compared to the 17. Of course if you want max battery you're going to the Pro models and not even looking at the Air.
Because you are using more of a battery's cycle, lets say you end on 20% but a pro would be on 60%, 0.8 of a cycle v 0.4 of a cycle, more cycles = more wear.
 
It's not about defending Apple. It is about acknowledging that what the Air offers will work just fine for many, many people, just like you acknowledge that it wouldn't work fine for you.

What you are doing is dumping on Apple for selling a $1,000 phone with a speaker you wouldn't like. The Air isn't for everyone but, like I said, a difference in need is not the same thing as defending Apple no matter what.
If Samsung only had a single speaker for 1k, you would be dumping on Samsung. the Air wins on looks, the S25 Edge on features and performance.
 
If Samsung only had a single speaker for 1k, you would be dumping on Samsung. the Air wins on looks, the S25 Edge on features and performance.
Unlike many here, I don't care what Samsung or others do. As such, I wouldn't waste my time complaining about them or posting that they have had a feature for x years when I and many others use Apple.
 
If Samsung released a garbage speaker it'd be a field day around here.

When Apple does it ... "I don't really mind a crap mono speaker in the earpiece!"

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Can't make this stuff up.
The double standard with deference to whatever Apple does is really rather hilarious.
Exactly.
I can't believe people are defending Apple for putting one speaker in a $999/€1199 phone.
A THOUSAND DOLLAR OR MORE PHONE.

I do understand that it can be challenging with cameras since they can be huge and thick but a speaker? I'm not defending Samsung (I only use Samsung's fridge lol) but at least they were able to put 2 cameras, 2 speakers and bigger battery in a phone that's just slightly thicker and bigger than iPhone Air.
 
Because you are using more of a battery's cycle, lets say you end on 20% but a pro would be on 60%, 0.8 of a cycle v 0.4 of a cycle, more cycles = more wear.

Right, you may go over more cycles but that's part of the compromise. We'll see how this pans out in the real world but I don't think someone choosing the air is likely to be putting it through as heavy usage day in and day out to make a huge difference in the life cycle of the device. Batteries are also replaceable.

If Samsung only had a single speaker for 1k, you would be dumping on Samsung. the Air wins on looks, the S25 Edge on features and performance.
Definitely a con that Apple couldn't match them with the speaker and ultra wide, although the edge is taller and wider which gives more space. One other interesting tidbit is Samsung managed to put a 3900mah battery in it vs. the Air's 3149. I did see a reviewer mention that the Air was lasting longer than his s25 edge though. It'll be interesting to see more battery tests come out.

EDIT: Looks like Tom's Guide compared it to the S25 Edge quite a bit in multiple aspects. Looks like it competes fairly well.
 
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If speaker quality is a deal breaker for you in CELL PHONE you may need to reassess your priorities in life...

Because what we really should be talking about is the fact that it gets nearly IDENTICAL battery life to the base 17 with a larger display and smaller battery while being notably lighter and thinner.
To be fair, I don’t use the cameras in my phone except very rarely. I could make the same comment as you did but replace speaker quality with camera quality. This would be an unpopular opinion though because it seems like I’m in the minority when it comes to camera quality.

But I do use the speakers on my phone daily (at home, not in public for that I’d use my AirPods) so for me this is something that I do weigh when deciding on purchasing the Air or not.

People have different use cases.
 
To be fair, I don’t use the cameras in my phone except very rarely. I could make the same comment as you did but replace speaker quality with camera quality. This would be an unpopular opinion though because it seems like I’m in the minority when it comes to camera quality.

But I do use the speakers on my phone daily (at home, not in public for that I’d use my AirPods) so for me this is something that I do weigh when deciding on purchasing the Air or not.

People have different use cases.
But you’re also not out here making an entire thread to completely write off an otherwise stellar device based on a rather minute trade-off to most, just to piss people off.
 
If you had two of these it would be stereo. You could attach them with a folding hinge. Double the screen size. Two plateaus and you could put the Pro camera system in one of them and a much better thermally managed SoC in the other.

It’s obvious to me that this is testing tech for the folding phone.
 
If you had two of these it would be stereo. You could attach them with a folding hinge. Double the screen size. Two plateaus and you could put the Pro camera system in one of them and a much better thermally managed SoC in the other.

It’s obvious to me that this is testing tech for the folding phone.

That would ironically make it one of the thickest foldables on the market.

For comparison, the trifold Mate XTs is 3.6mm thin unfolded.
 
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