The Beat Goes On: Nano, Touch, Beatles, Wireless?

[rockstarjoe]

Use some common sense here
IF they include WIFI and a touch screen, this will be their top-of-the-line model. At least $450 or $500. So you don't have to feel too bad for getting all that plus a phone for $600.

When I bought my 60GB iPod Photo it cost $599, since it was their flagship iPod model. I could see them hitting this price point again for the ipod touch (although I sure hope it's cheaper!).

 

[nemaslov]

Eh... no, not exactly. It's legal over here for a reason. We pay for these downloading rights through our ISP bills and every time we buy blank media such as DVD-R's and flash drives. As such, blank media over here is more expensive than in, say, the United States.

They did that in the 70s and 80s in the US with blank cassettes after the labels fought that too. "Home taping is killing the record business" they promoted. But as the labels took a cut, the artists still got screwed and never really got there fair share.

I think all music should cost something unless the artist wants to give away songs to promote themselves. even 25 or 50 cents per song. Something at least.

It is so unfortunate that so many now feel music has no value and feel entitled to download for free. At least on places like MYSPACE, artist can sell their songs directly via SNOCAP. They sign up, upload, set any price and Snocap adds something like 30 cents to the price as their cut and it is up to the artist to promote themselves. a very fair way for you to support and buy the music. Especially if they are not signed or on iTunes.

 

[Clive At Five]

1) iPod Shuffle - 1 & 2GB models, $59 & $99
2) iPod Nano - 4 & 8GB models, $149 & $199
3) iPod, a.k.a. "FatPod" - 8 & 16GB (NAND flash) models, $249 & $349
4) iPod "Touch" - 60 & 120GB models, $399 & $499

If I'm right, you all owe me $20... each.

-Clive

 

[techlover828]

They did that in the 70s and 80s in the US with blank cassettes after the labels fought that too. "Home taping is killing the record business" they promoted. But as the labels took a cut, the artists still got screwed and never really got there fair share.

I think all music should cost something unless the artist wants to give away songs to promote themselves. even 25 or 50 cents per song. Something at least.

It is so unfortunate that so many now feel music has no value and feel entitled to download for free. At least on places like MYSPACE, artist can sell their songs directly via SNOCAP. They sign up, upload, set any price and Snocap adds something like 30 cents to the price as their cut and it is up to the artist to promote themselves. a very fair way for you to support and buy the music. Especially if they are not signed or on iTunes.

my big problem with itunes is even when I have bought a song and paid way more than I would for a CD, I still don't really own the music, I think that they should sell the songs without the protection so you really feel like you own the song that you paid for, I should not have to pay for songs and not really own then when people who download them for free really own them (by own I mean no restrictions)

 

[nemaslov]

my big problem with itunes is even when I have bought a song and paid way more than I would for a CD, I still don't really own the music, I think that they should sell the songs without the protection so you really feel like you own the song that you paid for, give me a reason to be moral.

Agree. That's why I buy the CDs whenever possible or DRM free only. Still think that the digital versions should costs about half what a CD costs. That would be fair.

 

[techlover828]

1) iPod Shuffle - 1 & 2GB models, $59 & $99
2) iPod Nano - 4 & 8GB models, $149 & $199
3) iPod, a.k.a. "FatPod" - 8 & 16GB (NAND flash) models, $249 & $349
4) iPod "Touch" - 60 & 120GB models, $399 & $499

If I'm right, you all owe me $20... each.

-Clive

that's exactly what I said

 

[KingofAwesome]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but i'm sure looking at the invite itself, you can pretty much confirm that there will be the news of the addition of the beatles to the iTunes store. Look at the invite (which is an image in coverflow) to the left, the album in the beastie boys, what comes next in alphabitical order, the beetles....

Actually, we should expect to see Beauty School Dropouts, Beck, Becky Williams, and Bedrock! What a glorious day.

And it has been mentioned already. MANY times.

 

[Clive At Five]

that's exactly what I said

Well, I didn't read every page, so it's just a coincidence.

...Besides, you know what they say about great minds...

OR OR OR OR OR OR! I have a better idea. If you and I are right, everybody owes us both $20, each. How's about them Apples?

-Clive

 

[8bitrevolution]

your analogy is somewhat faulty, and proves my point if nothing else... no i don't need an expensive toaster, nobody does, really. But if i NEED that chafing dish, then hell, i'll save my money and get the expensive toaster. Now...if a much less expensive toaster comes around with the same chaffing dish...which one do you think im going to buy?

besides...most of the iphone users i know use their iPhones to talk on the PHONE a lot less than they do as PDA's with wifi or 8GB iPods.

the bottom line is, neither the iPhone nor a wifi iPod would meet all the needs i have. I will always have a combination of devices in my pocket, for now.

it's either:

iPhone (phone + PDA)
+
30gig iPod 5G (for all my music and videos, 8gigs just dont cut it)

OR

80Gig iPod 6G with Wifi+OSX (PDA+all my music and videos)
+
Nokia 6030 (phone)


so yes, i need a phone, but it doesnt have to be an iPhone...

But bottom line, listen, i dont know if the new iPod will have WIFI. I dont think it will. but that's up to Steve. Who knows. if it does, awesome for me. But to say it won't cut into iPhone sales is idiotic. I for one, won't be buying an iPhone if the iPod has wifi+PDA functions. That's one less sale of the iPhone+2year contract. HELLO! others will feel the same way as i do. i am not alone. If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

Not including wifi in the iPod is going to do very little to help iPhone sales. You may be sitting on the fence but I'm willing to bet that a lot of people aren't.

To me, the most important part of the iPhone's internet capabilities isn't wifi, it's EDGE. If you're lost in a new city, you're going to look up driving directions over EDGE most likely. And that's what you'll lose with a wifi iPod - you can only get online when you're in range of a wifi network you have access to.

I won't argue that you're alone but you're certainly not the majority.

 

[50548]

I hope they at least have FM tuners and bluetooth.

And the shuffle will see a 2GB black model, I hope.

-=|Mgkwho

Please, not again. If there is ONE reason why iPods were created in the first place, it was exactly to escape the world of crappy radio.

I want touchscreen/widescreen iPods with bigger capacities, that's all. The current ones are already THE BEST players in the globe, Apple...just make them even better.

 

[nemaslov]

Actually, we should expect to see Beauty School Dropouts, Beck, Becky Williams, and Bedrock! What a glorious day.

And it has been mentioned already. MANY times.

or the Beat, the Beat Farmers, Beatrice Potters greatest Hit, Beautiful South, Bronski Beat, Beatsteaks, Beatallica, Beat Junkies, Beat Beat Beat.....

 

[JCC]

If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

I don't see how it helps Apple as a company in the long run to make products which their users don't want and hope they buy them anyways, rather than to make products which their users actually want.

It reads like you think Apple will compromise a vastly more popular product in order force people to buy a less popular product. I don't understand why Apple might think this is good business practice.

I don't know if the new iPods will have wifi either. If it doesn't though, I don't think this will be the reason.

 

[jruc4871]

Well, I didn't read every page, so it's just a coincidence.

...Besides, you know what they say about great minds...

At least a dozen people have predicted the Shuffle price-cut/Nano/Mini/Touch combo on various threads. Each person thinks they came up a clever idea.

1. That's an absurdly complicated lineup without precident.

2. There will be nothing called "iPod Touch." Pay attention. The top of the line will be called "iPod."

 

[Don Bagles]

your analogy is somewhat faulty, and proves my point if nothing else... no i don't need an expensive toaster, nobody does, really. But if i NEED that chafing dish, then hell, i'll save my money and get the expensive toaster. Now...if a much less expensive toaster comes around with the same chaffing dish...which one do you think im going to buy?

besides...most of the iphone users i know use their iPhones to talk on the PHONE a lot less than they do as PDA's with wifi or 8GB iPods.

the bottom line is, neither the iPhone nor a wifi iPod would meet all the needs i have. I will always have a combination of devices in my pocket, for now.

it's either:

iPhone (phone + PDA)
+
30gig iPod 5G (for all my music and videos, 8gigs just dont cut it)

OR

80Gig iPod 6G with Wifi+OSX (PDA+all my music and videos)
+
Nokia 6030 (phone)


so yes, i need a phone, but it doesnt have to be an iPhone...

But bottom line, listen, i dont know if the new iPod will have WIFI. I dont think it will. but that's up to Steve. Who knows. if it does, awesome for me. But to say it won't cut into iPhone sales is idiotic. I for one, won't be buying an iPhone if the iPod has wifi+PDA functions. That's one less sale of the iPhone+2year contract. HELLO! others will feel the same way as i do. i am not alone. If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

So you want an iPhone with a hard drive in it.

I think that's what EVERYONE wants.

Bring it on Apple! PLEASSEEEE!!!

 

[Thanatoast]

as long as they introduce iTunes streaming over the net to my iphone I'll be fine. It's gotta happen soon. Maybe with leopard & dotmac's new "at home, anywhere" feature...

 

[homeboy]

When I bought my 60GB iPod Photo it cost $599, since it was their flagship iPod model. I could see them hitting this price point again for the ipod touch (although I sure hope it's cheaper!).

Apple have always been extremely price competitive especially with their top of the line model. The reason why the iPod photo was dead expensive was because there wasn't anything out there like it. A touch screen iPod on the other hand will not be shocking since there already is a handful of touch screen devices priced under 400 dollars. With that being said there is no way a touch screen iPod will cost any much more than 299 dollars unless it comes with a 11-12 inch touch screen display.

 

[8bitrevolution]

1. That's an absurdly complicated lineup without precident.

2. There will be nothing called "iPod Touch." Pay attention. The top of the line will be called "iPod."

Apple made a big deal about simplifying their line-up across the board and I imagine it's helped them big time. It lets customers find what they want without wading through a list of specifications. I doubt Apple is in any hurry to return to that pricing model.

 

[kolax]

Not cool that MacRumors is linking to a site that is NSFW....

I clicked on that KezNews site and it had pornographic images in the upper right... (I believe it was an adultfriendfinder ad with naked women) I think that link should be removed.

Cheers for pointing that out - you just gave me a valid reason to click the link!

 

[DaBrain]

1) iPod Shuffle - 1 & 2GB models, $59 & $99
2) iPod Nano - 4 & 8GB models, $149 & $199
3) iPod, a.k.a. "FatPod" - 8 & 16GB (NAND flash) models, $249 & $349
4) iPod "Touch" - 60 & 120GB models, $399 & $499

If I'm right, you all owe me $20... each.

-Clive

Check is in the mail!

 

[nemaslov]

Apple made a big deal about simplifying their line-up across the board and I imagine it's helped them big time. It lets customers find what they want without wading through a list of specifications. I doubt Apple is in any hurry to return to that pricing model.

Not a simple as Sony's MP3 product line. It is so easy to differentiate:

NW-E307, NW-S703F, NW-E005, NW-S205F, and so on and so on....

 

[OldTimey]

Not including wifi in the iPod is going to do very little to help iPhone sales. You may be sitting on the fence but I'm willing to bet that a lot of people aren't.

Maybe, but you don't know that. You aren't looking at the big picture.

Apple wants to sell 10 million iPhones. (A very simple example, that doesn't take into account a multitude of factors, but for the sake of argument, bear with me) say .1% of potential buyers (thats one tenth of a percent for those bad at math) is on the fence, like i am. That's 10,000 potential 2 year contracts with ATT that won't get signed...or 20,000,000 dollars not going to ATT coffers...business is ALL about targeting the right audience, and weighing the tradeoffs of one technology vs. the other, in respect to how much MONEY you are going to make. It isn't about what is feasible with current technology, or what mac fanboys and girls "want."

(btw, a lot of apple's market doesn't read rumor sites, so they have no idea a new ipod is about to come out, and therefore, are "on the fence" they just don't know it yet).

I won't argue that you're alone but you're certainly not the majority.

as i pointed out above, no crap im not in the majority, but that doesn't matter. There only needs to be a small number of people "on the fence" to make a REAL difference.

bottom line:

iPod with WIFI:

1) It won't help iPhone sales. (no arguing that)
2) It Will make those on the fence perhaps buy the WIFI iPod, instead of the iPhone....THEREFORE (drumroll)...hurting iPhone sales. And as I showed above, if Apple misses their sales mark of 10,000,000 iphones, even by .1%, hell, even by .01%, that potentially means millions of lost revenue to ATT over the next couple years.


Again...I'm not saying there will be no WIFI on the iPod...I HOPE THERE IS BECAUSE...it is exactly what I want.

It's just plain shortsighted to state that a such a device would not dip into iPhone sales. If Apple has run the numbers, and concluded that having a WIFI iPod alongside the iPhone, in the end, will make MORE money than a non-WIFI ipod alongside the iPhone, then, and only then will there be a wifi iPod. And because of their partnership with ATT, they must work in concert for mutual benefit. Otherwise they will alienate ATT and the business world will not be happy.

Remember apple fanboys and fangirls:

If you don't own shares of APL, then Apple really doesn't care about "what you want!"

 

[OldTimey]

I don't see how it helps Apple as a company in the long run to make products which their users don't want and hope they buy them anyways, rather than to make products which their users actually want.

It reads like you think Apple will compromise a vastly more popular product in order force people to buy a less popular product. I don't understand why Apple might think this is good business practice.

I don't know if the new iPods will have wifi either. If it doesn't though, I don't think this will be the reason.

so what would be the reasoning then?

like ive said, its all about the numbers. if apple runs them, and they add up, and ATT says "ok" then it will happen. otherwise, it's not happening.

 

[jasonsyth]

Sept. Event - also Safari, Leopard?

Besides the iPods that everyone is expecting, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve announced that Safari for Windows is moving out of beta and that the final product will be available for download.

More importantly, I would love to see that his "one more thing" surprise is that Leopard will be available that day, about a month earlier than the currently expected ship date.

 

[OldTimey]

So you want an iPhone with a hard drive in it.

I think that's what EVERYONE wants.

Bring it on Apple! PLEASSEEEE!!!

Yes, this is what i want, but only if it is about as big as the current 30g ipod!

 

[CmdrLaForge]

I have an iPod HiFi. I use it for my bedroom stereo and alarm clock. I like it a lot and think it sounds and looks great.

Me too - I love my iPod HiFi. It perfectly fits my needs.