I think you're right on this after all.... this is the part that I'm the least confident...
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I think you're right on this after all.... this is the part that I'm the least confident...
New iPods
The mockup of the new full on iPod is silly as it's just an iphone with a black rim. I imagine the new iPod will, from what I read look like an elongated 5G iPod with the iPhone's screen and home button.
I also do not see these things having Wi-Fi beyond iTunes, as ininternet, unless Apple wants to kill their iPhone business.
The mockup of the new full on iPod is silly as it's just an iphone with a black rim. I imagine the new iPod will, from what I read look like an elongated 5G iPod with the iPhone's screen and home button.
I also do not see these things having Wi-Fi beyond iTunes, as ininternet, unless Apple wants to kill their iPhone business.
So why not roll it out across another platform and recoup all those R&D expenses?
Blackberrys range anywhere from $300-$500 dollars. For the person who needs a smart phone, the iPod will not work.
And the iPod is always going to outsell the iPhone. Always.
Those may be words you'll end up eating. Unless you've seen the new iPod yourself, I'd be hesitant to make such definitive statements. At this point everything everyone is saying just speculation. Nothing more.
I think this is right, (since Derwood has the same opinion as moi
).I think whatever networking features the iPod has will be limited to functionality that makes sense for the product. iPods are about music and the whole digital revolution associated with it in today's market. There is no reason to include some crippled "Internet in your pocket" functionality from the iPhone like Safari or Mail. If people want a communicator, they should buy an iPhone cause that's what they are. iPods are media players.
I think Apple will essentially borrow the only thing that was ever cool or innovative about the Zune. Think about how cool the Zune "sharing/squirting" feature would be if it was DRM free and on the iPod!
I know there are about 50 people on my train every morning with iPods. What if all those iPods showed up on your screen in a cool graphical way and you could actually share stuff back and forth? Sounds like another must-have product if you think about it that way.
Well, I would remove the FM tuner part... FM radio is dead... kind of... anyway...
Also, if wi-fi is included, it will be to enable very specific kind of network access to the iTunes Store Mobile Edition... no net surfing of any kind... the same kind of experience that we have on the Apple TV.. this beast is able to get Top Ten of Music and Video by going out on the internet.... This would be a very clver way of adding wi-fi without being to close of the iPhone offerings..
I'm still fairly adamant about the iPod not having WiFi. Even if it is limited to iTMS and things like that, you know someone is either going to crack it and get Safari on it or find/create another OS to throw on it. It's still a possibility, but I'm kind of hoping they don't.
"Those may be words you'll end up eating. Unless you've seen the new iPod yourself, I'd be hesitant to make such definitive statements. At this point everything everyone is saying just speculation. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]"
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Yes I understand that "its just speculation", but IT IS FOOLISH to even consider that The new ipod will have anything else besides a touch screen and coverflow. It would make the purchase of an iphone pointless, as i previously stated the vast majority of all iphone buyers had a cell phone before buying the iphone, common sense would lead us to assume that all future iphone buyers would also own a regular cell phone before purchasing the iphone. If apple were to incorporate all of this great technology into a new ipod, no one would want to buy the iphone. Normal Logic allows me to make such a "definitive statement" as I dont believe that Apple is run by a bunch of morons, so thank you very much 8bit, but i will decide what i choose and choose not to eat!!!
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Yes I understand that "its just speculation", but IT IS FOOLISH to even consider that The new ipod will have anything else besides a touch screen and coverflow. It would make the purchase of an iphone pointless, as i previously stated the vast majority of all iphone buyers had a cell phone before buying the iphone, common sense would lead us to assume that all future iphone buyers would also own a regular cell phone before purchasing the iphone. If apple were to incorporate all of this great technology into a new ipod, no one would want to buy the iphone. Normal Logic allows me to make such a "definitive statement" as I dont believe that Apple is run by a bunch of morons, so thank you very much 8bit, but i will decide what i choose and choose not to eat!!!
Okay, I am the only one who is not excited but the Beatles addition to iTunes then. Sorry I poured cold water on you guys' enthusiam...
It happens to be that The Beat Goes ON... is also the new Madonna single that leaked this week on the internet. Madonna helped some time ago to the launch of the first Motorola phone with Itunes, so it would not be a streach to have Madonna on hand to promote new Ipods and a revamped Itunes store. I cant believe that no one has pick up on this before.
So... how many of you bought iPods after the launch of the iPhone, and now cannot afford a new one?
and now cannot afford a new one?If the new ipods can wirelessly control iTunes and there isn't a firmware update that allows the iPhone to do this, i will be really pissed. I've wanted that feature since the iPhones inception. There is no way, owning an iphone, that i'm going to buy an new ipod, because it doesn't make sense.
I know there are about 50 people on my train every morning with iPods. What if all those iPods showed up on your screen in a cool graphical way and you could actually share stuff back and forth? Sounds like another must-have product if you think about it that way.
Stealing though... If one person bought a track, and squirted it to half the London Underground without DRM... The artist would get sweet FA.
Not likely methinks...
5th Gen is OLD now... and with the exception of video playback... (and eventually games via a software patch) does nothing that an iPod 3 years ago did.
No way in a million years!
For one thing the hardware would be too different, and for another it's no way to sell new iPods. Apple want to convince you to upgrade to the latest model every time if possible.
IF (and that's a very big if) they did do that, they'd at least charge ~half the iPod's price for it... there's no way they'd do it for free, and if they prove me wrong on that point I shall cheerfully dance naked and upload it to the internet
The rest of your predictions I agree with though, all seems pretty much spot-on.
If it's going to have a radio, it must be DAB which can be recorded onto Ipod HDD (do you have DAB in the US?)
My hopes:
A competitor to Windows Home Server placing Apple firmly at the centre of Home Entertainment
Nike Plus upgraded to include GPS tracking and Heart Rate tied into a watch as well.
My hopes:
A competitor to Windows Home Server placing Apple firmly at the centre of Home Entertainment
Nike Plus upgraded to include GPS tracking and Heart Rate tied into a watch as well.
I Agree.
I would also add in the fact that FM radio is not what it used to be, it's just AM radio at a higher frequency. Radio in general is total crap nowadays. Why would the market leader in media devices with an astounding reputation for high quality products include an FM radio?
No way in a million years!
For one thing the hardware would be too different, and for another it's no way to sell new iPods. Apple want to convince you to upgrade to the latest model every time if possible.
IF (and that's a very big if) they did do that, they'd at least charge ~half the iPod's price for it... there's no way they'd do it for free, and if they prove me wrong on that point I shall cheerfully dance naked and upload it to the internet
The rest of your predictions I agree with though, all seems pretty much spot-on.
Well, after thinking about it... you are right... Apple is too busy on new thing to concentrate on the old hardware plateform... Apple TV will be upgraded soon, as the iPhone... the next 6G iPod based on OS X will also be able to upgrade pretty easly though...
i hope we get actual widescreen ipods (640x360)... not 4:3 that you hold sideways like on the iphone.
i doubt we'll see it, but that would be nice.
i doubt we'll see it, but that would be nice.
If thats what the new iPods look like...count me out. I think they should look like...well...an ipod, not an iphone without all the features of one. Bring back the clickwheel!
Yes I understand that "its just speculation", but IT IS FOOLISH to even consider that The new ipod will have anything else besides a touch screen and coverflow. It would make the purchase of an iphone pointless, as i previously stated the vast majority of all iphone buyers had a cell phone before buying the iphone, common sense would lead us to assume that all future iphone buyers would also own a regular cell phone before purchasing the iphone. If apple were to incorporate all of this great technology into a new ipod, no one would want to buy the iphone. Normal Logic allows me to make such a "definitive statement" as I dont believe that Apple is run by a bunch of morons, so thank you very much 8bit, but i will decide what i choose and choose not to eat!!!
While a lot of people on this site may be lured into buying an iPhone because it has wifi, I doubt that's the deciding factor for most consumers. Most consumers bought the iPhone because it's a phone. The product isn't called iWifi, it's called iPhone. I'm never going to buy an iPhone because 1) too damn expensive and 2) I don't want to pay for a data plan. If you're in the market for a phone, you'll consider an iPhone, not an iPod.
Carrying two items in my pocket (a mobile phone and an iPod) doesn't bother me but some people, it does. Those people will spring for an iPhone (or some sort of phone + mp3 player).
I think the whole iPhone thing has distorted the market - traditionally most people bought 'regular' cellphones. Myself included. Most people will continue to buy regular cellphones. There's a market of people who need, for work reasons usually, to be able to get to their e-mail anywhere at anytime. The iPhone user base doesn't consist entirely of people who want to surf the net at any given time. Like I said before, the iPhone is an entry into the "smart phone" market, a market that has been often times dominated by business users, not personal.
I'm not saying wifi is a given either way. I'd like it but Apple has little concern for what I want. I just don't think sharing a few features between lines is going to kill the iPhone. We'll see what happens on the 5th.
I fell your pain. I remember buying albums, putting them on the turntable and listening to the music while looking at the album art. I would then have to turn the album over to listen to the other side. If we wanted a good seat at the concert we would have to go to the arena (Capital Centre, Baltimore Civic Center) at midnight, or later, to draw a lottery number that would be our place in line later that morning so we could have a better chance at getting seats where we wanted. Even better was albums only held 60 minutes, 8-10 songs, so the bands toured more frequently so we were almost guaranteed to see them in concert every 13 months. If they needed a break they put out a live album, best of, or previously unreleased music that they would not tour, but would play on their next tour.
Word of mouth and concert shirts were how we learned of new (to us) bands. Now, a band works on producing singles with sibling videos containing fancy visual effects. I am not even going to get started on ticket prices.
Am I the only one who´d like to have a wifi Ipod with option for internet radio?? THAT would be THE killer application for me...
I don´t need web browsing - just give me my favourite web radio stations when I do my dishes
I don´t need web browsing - just give me my favourite web radio stations when I do my dishes
I believe this was back when Apple decided to change their earning reports to be spread out over a year or two instead of when the hardware was originally sold. They adjusted their accounting procedures so that they could add value to an already purchased product without them having to charge for the update (not just updating security or bug fixes). This was when they decided to charge for the 802.11n update to some of the intel computers even though the hardware was there but wasn't sold with that specification. I don't have a link handy right at the moment, but I believe that was their rational - so they could add more functionality without charging for it.
Of course some accountants disagreed on if it was necessary or not, but that's what I think apple said. It remains to be seen if they will actually do this or it will be along the lines of "the year of the laptop" which didn't produce anything revolutionary in mobile computing or "very exciting things in the pipeline for PPC products" right after the intel announcement - which of course never happened
While a lot of people on this site may be lured into buying an iPhone because it has wifi, I doubt that's the deciding factor for most consumers. Most consumers bought the iPhone because it's a phone. The product isn't called iWifi, it's called iPhone. I'm never going to buy an iPhone because 1) too damn expensive and 2) I don't want to pay for a data plan. If you're in the market for a phone, you'll consider an iPhone, not an iPod.
Carrying two items in my pocket (a mobile phone and an iPod) doesn't bother me but some people, it does. Those people will spring for an iPhone (or some sort of phone + mp3 player).
I think the whole iPhone thing has distorted the market - traditionally most people bought 'regular' cellphones. Myself included. Most people will continue to buy regular cellphones. There's a market of people who need, for work reasons usually, to be able to get to their e-mail anywhere at anytime. The iPhone user base doesn't consist entirely of people who want to surf the net at any given time. Like I said before, the iPhone is an entry into the "smart phone" market, a market that has been often times dominated by business users, not personal.
I'm not saying wifi is a given either way. I'd like it but Apple has little concern for what I want. I just don't think sharing a few features between lines is going to kill the iPhone. We'll see what happens on the 5th.
agree to disagree, we'll just have to wait and see
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maybe im just a little pissy because I DID buy the ipone and id be kind upset if they offered everything else except the phone function to an ipod for half the price
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