However, the Beastie Boys were the first group to open for Madonna on her tour in the 80's... and whomever called Madonna a sellout hag, she happens to be the most successful pop-artist to date, with record breaking concert sales for the past three of her world tours. Love her or hate her, she's a force to be reckoned with in the music business.
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The Beat Goes On: Nano, Touch, Beatles, Wireless?
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However, the Beastie Boys were the first group to open for Madonna on her tour in the 80's... and whomever called Madonna a sellout hag, she happens to be the most successful pop-artist to date, with record breaking concert sales for the past three of her world tours. Love her or hate her, she's a force to be reckoned with in the music business.
Same logic can be applied to everything on iTunes.
The only thing I can say is that ripping from a CD is not economical
if you only want one track. I would not be surprised if there are more
causal Beatles fans who would buy one or two tracks than people who would buy the entire catalog. The "casual fan market" is quite large.
Palm TX
Does any one think that this new ipod could be to the iphone as the palm TX is to the palm treo (essentially a wifi version of a cellphone or at least thats how i see it). i personally would love to see the keyboard from the iphone on this new ipod. i think the notes/calender/contacts on the ipod is practically useless with out being able to edit on the go.
Does any one think that this new ipod could be to the iphone as the palm TX is to the palm treo (essentially a wifi version of a cellphone or at least thats how i see it). i personally would love to see the keyboard from the iphone on this new ipod. i think the notes/calender/contacts on the ipod is practically useless with out being able to edit on the go.
"Wow, this touchscreen and coverflow is so much cooler than my iPod. I think I am going to get it. Aw shucks, it has this phone attached. Well I guess I could use it too."
Thats what a lot of you are saying. People wouldnt buy an iphone because an ipod could do all they wanted. Which begs the question, why were they looking at an iPhone in the first place. A nano with wifi? "Adding full wifi would be the end all for the iPhone." Nevermind that its, you know, a phone, and well, the ipod isnt. (there are a lot of commas, but if you sound it out its right).
I know that there would be a hit on iPhone sales. But Apple has to be thinking something other than just iPhone sales as they tethered the thing to AT&T. If they wanted to do nothing but sell phones why not make them open. Prolly cause of the agreement with AT&T which in the end means somehow Apple is better off teaming with AT&T and not maxing iPhone sales.
Apple knows more about the market than we do. Everyone on this forum is a Mac "elitist" (in the sense of a political elite, not that you are cool
) and we may have a skewed idea of things. I could see it going both ways, but I am sure that if Apple doesnt put wifi into this ipod it wont be because of the iphone, but because the ipod is nothing more than a simple MP3 player. With a touch screen. And 120gig. So not so simple.
Thats what a lot of you are saying. People wouldnt buy an iphone because an ipod could do all they wanted. Which begs the question, why were they looking at an iPhone in the first place. A nano with wifi? "Adding full wifi would be the end all for the iPhone." Nevermind that its, you know, a phone, and well, the ipod isnt. (there are a lot of commas, but if you sound it out its right).
I know that there would be a hit on iPhone sales. But Apple has to be thinking something other than just iPhone sales as they tethered the thing to AT&T. If they wanted to do nothing but sell phones why not make them open. Prolly cause of the agreement with AT&T which in the end means somehow Apple is better off teaming with AT&T and not maxing iPhone sales.
Apple knows more about the market than we do. Everyone on this forum is a Mac "elitist" (in the sense of a political elite, not that you are cool
) and we may have a skewed idea of things. I could see it going both ways, but I am sure that if Apple doesnt put wifi into this ipod it wont be because of the iphone, but because the ipod is nothing more than a simple MP3 player. With a touch screen. And 120gig. So not so simple.
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
Nomenclature is unimportant. I personally hate "iPod Touch" but you all knew what I meant, so using that name served the purpose.
I hearby announce the end of the nit-picking.
-Clive
And I am with all the people that is tired of hearing about the Beatles.
Go out and buy they "Beatles: One" cd. 25 or so songs that were all number 1 at one point. Its good. Its not like this music has never been available before. And the people that seem to be upset about Beatles not being online arent the people that have never owned their stuff. They are Beatles fans and most likely have their music. If you dont have Beatles music at this point that I doubt you really care.
Big whoop, lets argue about the iPod more.
Go out and buy they "Beatles: One" cd. 25 or so songs that were all number 1 at one point. Its good. Its not like this music has never been available before. And the people that seem to be upset about Beatles not being online arent the people that have never owned their stuff. They are Beatles fans and most likely have their music. If you dont have Beatles music at this point that I doubt you really care.
Big whoop, lets argue about the iPod more.
it is simple, el cid, es bien sencillo:
if the numbers add up, and apple decides having wifi on the ipod will make them more money then it will have wifi.
part of that magical "equation" HAS to account for people like me, who won't buy an iPhone if the new iPod has wifi. Even if there aren't enough of us to skew the equation one way or another, it still has an effect. You have no idea which of the multitude of financial pros and cons to including wifi on the new ipod will cause steve to decide which way to go. and neither do i. I am just pretty damn sure Apple has thought about what most people here are dismissing, with no real evidence to back up their claims.
And we do know this, less iPhone sales is bad for ATT. Apple has a partnership with ATT that is mutually beneficial. If Apple makes a move that will hurt ATT, it will be considered bad business practice. Not that this sort of thing hasn't happened before....
You're probably right. I've feared how a WiFi-enabled iPod could hurt iPhone sales once the hackers get VOIP on it, but I expect that if Apple has decided to put WiFi on the iPod, they know what they're doing - as well as what to expect the hackers will try and do.
WiFi would seriously improve the value of an iPod (just as it does my iPhone), and I certainly don't want to begrudge the iPod owners those advantages - especially since I'll likely be one of them, too (iPod Touch 120GB, please!).
There is one good reason why Led Zeppelin is a hold out for the online download business: they don't want most of their revenue to be limited to the song "Stairway to Heaven," which would end up being a huge bestseller on an online download. Besides, album sales are still very profitable for the former members of that group.
I still reiterate what I think the new iPod lineup will look like:
iPod shuffle
New, slightly larger model with small display that shows track name, track time and battery life. Will use a slightly larger version of the current shuffle dock.
1 GB (ten different color cases)--US$70
2 GB (ten different color cases)--US$100
iPod nano
Two possible options:
Keep current case design--2 GB model dropped, 4 GB becomes low end model, 8 GB becomes mainstream model, 16 GB new model
4 GB (silver case only)--US$150
8 GB (ten different color cases)--US$200
16 GB (black and Product Red red case)--US$250
New case with same width and thickness but about 5/8" lower height
4 GB (five different color cases)--US$150
8 GB (five different color cases)--US$200
iPod mini
New model that looks like a 2G nano writ large with same height as current nano, 1 mm more thickness, and around 60% more width with rounded edges on case. Will accommodate nano-sized Click Wheel and display about the same size as current 5.5G iPod video display. Will be able to play videos currently formatted to play on 5.5G iPod video. All data are stored in flash memory.
8 GB (five different color cases)--US$250
16 GB (five different color cases)--US$300
32 GB (black and Product Red red cases)--US$350, arriving early 2008
6G iPod video
New model in almost the same case as 5.5G 80 GB iPod (to maintain compatibility with current iPod docks) but with full-screen display with your choice of iPhone style or emulated Click Wheel functionality via touchscreen operation. It will lack Wi-Fi, but will include some sort of wireless access to transmit data from player to either wireless headphone or car stereo (Bluetooth possible). All data are stored on 1.8" hard drive.
80 GB (five different color metallic cases)--US$350
120 GB (five different color metallic cases)--US$400
160 GB (black and Product Red red cases)--US$450, arriving early 2008
Engadget:
Wild rumoring is of course inevitable with an Apple event on the horizon, and MacDailyNews is doing its part with this latest wireless iTunes doozy. Apparently alongside the oft-rumored wireless iPods, Wednesday will also bring "wireless iTunes Store sales" to the iPhone and said iPods. MacDaily's source also claims that the iPods will indeed be Mac OS X-based, and that we should "Prepare to be stunned [with] iPod's new capabilities." Of course, a wireless iPod is perfectly plausible, and a wireless iTunes store seems like something Apple's going to have to break down and build sooner or later, but there's really no telling that the cited source has any inside line on such a thing, so we're going to remain firmly skeptical on this one until we get a few hard facts -- like a wireless iTunes Store, for instance.
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Wild rumoring is of course inevitable with an Apple event on the horizon, and MacDailyNews is doing its part with this latest wireless iTunes doozy. Apparently alongside the oft-rumored wireless iPods, Wednesday will also bring "wireless iTunes Store sales" to the iPhone and said iPods. MacDaily's source also claims that the iPods will indeed be Mac OS X-based, and that we should "Prepare to be stunned [with] iPod's new capabilities." Of course, a wireless iPod is perfectly plausible, and a wireless iTunes store seems like something Apple's going to have to break down and build sooner or later, but there's really no telling that the cited source has any inside line on such a thing, so we're going to remain firmly skeptical on this one until we get a few hard facts -- like a wireless iTunes Store, for instance.
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yeah i hit 'edit' all the time. what the hell is your problem? you worried about the couple KB ive wasted putting that comment on a new post? why don't you complain to the monitor about it?
Omg, no one has thought of this yet? Integration with the AppleTv
All lines of the new ipod generations will have video, audio and picture viewability. Wifi/bluetooth to talk with each other and share libraries of media while you are in range (kinda like when ur little brother's library is sharable until he turns his computer off, its not on ur itunes/computer but u can listen to it while hes on)
Also they all cost <200$ cause im broke (not cheap
) i got it all figured out
I don't see it being only metallic colours personally but you never know.
And to add to other people it is well known that apple would have to go through the FCC if they put wifi or bluetooth in it and with that being said we would have probably heard about it by now.
I'm pretty sure that applies to any signal being admitted from the ipod so wireless headphones are not likely in my opinion.
Actually, I am. .1% of a potential market is still .1%. Also, and this is just the reality of most business relationships, why does Apple care how much money AT&T makes? They don't. AT&T's well-being is their own problem, not Apple's. Apple is in the game to make money. From the sound of it, Apple didn't pick AT&T for their wonderful network or because they share similar business goals (other than making money). They picked AT&T because they were willing to bend over more than any other carrier.
You're right. This little fish pond of a forum is nothing in the overall market Apple caters to. We're the die hards. And a lot of those people aren't going to care about wifi or anything. They're going to be sold on the marketing Apple puts out and the media hype surrounding the product.
Once again, why is that Apple's problem? They get a cut of the monthly subscription fees but if someone passes on the iPhone and buys the iPod instead, Apple is still making money.
I fixed that for you.
I'm sure Apple has people much better at this than any of us determining the effect of a new iPod with X features and it's impact on iPhone's sales.
But wifi or no, if you're wanting an Apple branded phone, there is only one: the iPhone!
If you want a touch screen PDA, then it's a different story.
I would guess it could be possible for some groups like Led Zep or the Beatles to allow Album only sales for albums that (in my opinion) should be album only sales-sort of divinitive ones. Yes Led Zep 4. Psyic Graf., Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road, White, Revolver and so on. Beatles 1 could be album only or individual singles only since that is exactly what that album is all about. Let the artist decide if they want some albums sold intact.
I always loved how you Brits spell colour with a U. It looks so cool! I wish we could do that in the states.
My intent from the beginning was to simply point what you say here.
apple will run the numbers, and if it makes sense then they will do it. if it doesn't they won't. They have a very good track record when it comes to making money off of iPods.
However, I just don't get what part of this you don't understand:
1) I won't buy an iPhone if the new iPod has wifi.
2) I am not the only one.
3) Even if we "on the fencers" represent a very small part of the market, a good business (of which apple is) will take all factors into account. If it's not enough to put a big of enough damper in iPhone sales, then it doesn't matter. But you, nor I know what Apple's numbers are on this.
However, it's just silly to say a wifi-ipod won't hurt iPhone sales because, for the tenth time, I won't buy an iPhone if the iPod has wifi. I am not the only one. That's at the very least, one less iPhone sold by Apple in exchange for the iPod with Wifi. But, if the iPod with Wifi costs as much or more than the iPhone, then they won't be losing money on that, now would they? So it's a complicated issue, yes...
i rest my case, and hope you aren't too disappointed come Sept. 5th...
I think wifi in an iphone needs to be defined a little better.
Which one would you say you are:
a) Wifi for streaming audio and accessing your mac remotely for itunes
b) wifi with a safari client in the ipod for web surfing.
?
It will be interesting to see whichh one apple releases.
My intent from the beginning was to simply point what you say here.
apple will run the numbers, and if it makes sense then they will do it. if it doesn't they won't. They have a very good track record when it comes to making money off of iPods.
However, I just don't get what part of this you don't understand:
1) I won't buy an iPhone if the new iPod has wifi.
2) I am not the only one.
3) Even if we "on the fencers" represent a very small part of the market, a good business (of which apple is) will take all factors into account. If it's not enough to put a big of enough damper in iPhone sales, then it doesn't matter. But you, nor I know what Apple's numbers are on this.
However, it's just silly to say a wifi-ipod won't hurt iPhone sales because, for the tenth time, I won't buy an iPhone if the iPod has wifi. I am not the only one. That's at the very least, one less iPhone sold by Apple in exchange for the iPod with Wifi. But, if the iPod with Wifi costs as much or more than the iPhone, then they won't be losing money on that, now would they? So it's a complicated issue, yes...
i rest my case, and hope you aren't too disappointed come Sept. 5th...
except for the fact that they make a portion of your monthly AT&T bill, which adds up after 2 years
Amen. I can't believe people are expecting Apple to build a crackly old FM radio into the thing
What's next, wishing for a floppy drive in the new iMac?
If they were to put any kind of radio in it, it should at least be DAB. In fact it's about time someone such as Apple came along and gave DAB the kick-start it needs. I think they'd rather go for internet radio though, as that's where it's at in the long run (DAB seems sortof like the Minidisc)
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