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'The Beat Goes On' Rumor Wrapup: Winners
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That's what I'm struggling with too. I'd love the iPod touch, as it is essentially what I've been waiting for, but the 16GB capacity is just not quite what I'd need. 32GB would be great, so I may have to hold out until next year. The iPod classic has more than enough storage space for me (I'd just run Time Machine on it and back up my entire system!
) however it is still the old design, give or take, and I don't think I could justify buying it when I know that damn cool iPod touch is finally available. So, I'm waiting until next year. In the meantime I'll be treating myself to a new MacBook Pro, so it's all good.
If your bill is an even $60, I'll give you a cookie
The lowest plan I would be able to get is $80 after taxes and random fees, plus the $35 activation fee or whatever it is. It's way to much for me, considering I'm a part-time $7/hr. worker and a full time college student. I've also heard the edge network is almost unusable, which isn't good for me...wi-fi hotspots are pretty far from being everywhere (or at least where you need it the most, like when you're lost on a random highway).
Don't get me wrong...I want the iPhone BADLY, especially after the price drop, but it'd be cheaper in the long run to get a RZR or something similar and an iPod touch. If iPhone gets 3G soon, then I would think it'd be worth the $80..err...$60 (+taxes and hidden fees).
That's what I'm struggling with too. I'd love the iPod touch, as it is essentially what I've been waiting for, but the 16GB capacity is just not quite what I'd need. 32GB would be great, so I may have to hold out until next year. The iPod classic has more than enough storage space for me (I'd just run Time Machine on it and back up my entire system!
So, I'm waiting until next year. In the meantime I'll be treating myself to a new MacBook Pro, so it's all good.
That's the problem I ran into with the iPod touch. When I read that it would only come in 8gb and 16gb capacity I kind of let out a sigh. I have a hard time fitting my stuff on my 30gb ipod as it is. I have to constantly think, "Would I listen to this that much if I put it on there?" just because I have to conserve space.
That would assume that legal departments in general have credibility to start with...
Hey there now! ALL of us are not the greedy, money worshipping types.....
OK, at least, I know one: me!
Exactly, and for me, the other issue is that it wouldn't just be my music library. With the old iPod, I can't say the idea of looking at photos or videos on that small screen ever appealed to me. With an iPod touch, I would deifnitely want photos, TV shows and movies on the device, therefore requiring even more space in addition to my music library!
I really like them though so I think I'll bite when they go to 32GB. 30GB of formatted usable space is acceptable. Not ideal, but definitely acceptable and something I'd be able to work with.
The major rumors were true... there weren't a lot of rumors that were wrong. Nothing that was really on the radar leading into the event. Just the Beatles, and that was more expectation than rumor.
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It could have been better
Looking in hindsight at the big price drop that ruffled everyone's panties this week it would definitely have been better if Apple had started June 29th with the 8gig iPhone at $500 and then dropped the price only $100 dollars going into the Christmas season.
Looking at the iPod/iPhone family chart with the pricing on it, one quickly realizes that Apple did the right thing in pricing the 8gig iPhone at $499. It just logically fits there.
The $100 credit will, in the end, not cost Apple much at all. It's like when Microsoft lost a huge class action lawsuit and the settlement was simply a $75 credit to purchase another Microsoft product. Whoop dee doo! Anyone who thinks that the store credit is actually worth the value printed on it is mistaken.
I don't know how the idiot at UBS came up with a $100 million loss for Apple. They haven't sold 1 million iPhones yet. And no rebate/credit program ever has 100% redemption. And finally Apple's average profit margin is nearly 28%.
So if Apple has sold say 800 iPhones before Sept 5th, with maybe a 75% redemtion rate with a 28% profit margin you would be looking at a cost of around 43,000,000. (And that doesn't count the people who are going to put the $100 toward the purchase of a large ticket item!) For a company that gets an undisclosed amount of money from ATT for each iPhone sold, plus a cut of the monthly bill AND has 13 BILLION dollars in the bank, I don't think this will hurt Apple in any way.
Then there is the Upside that UBS totally ignored. iPhones are now a lot more affordable to a lot more people. All those who said it was too expensive are now going to reconsider an iPhone for Christmas. So guess what that's actually a boost to revenue, because iPhone sales will come in at a higher rate now that it cost a lot less. Basic supply demand, UBS!
Apple's profit over the life of the iPhone 2 year contract WAS somewhere in the neighborhood of $716 dollars an iPhone. With that figure dropping to $516 (with the new $400 price) and volume picking up do you really think Apple is worried? ($100 profit margin on the iPhone, $200 kickback from ATT, $9/month/iphone subscriber x 24 months). The deal Apple cut with ATT is shameless for how profitable it is to Apple. Why do you think Verizon said no?
No, the only thing Apple is worried about is where to hold the victory party next year when they pass Target and Walmart as the #1 seller of music in the U.S.
Look at it this way, with all the recalls on Chinese toys this Christmas, I'm guessing more people will be getting iPhones and iPods under the Christmas tree. Maybe even a Mac or two. Don't forget that's really where Apple makes it's money and Mac sales are powering ahead at a breakneck pace. And Leopard doesn't even arrive until next month. Or...had you forgotten about that???
Sorry, Steve Jobs can't fix the subprime mess, though. I'm pretty sure his house is paid for.
Looking in hindsight at the big price drop that ruffled everyone's panties this week it would definitely have been better if Apple had started June 29th with the 8gig iPhone at $500 and then dropped the price only $100 dollars going into the Christmas season.
Looking at the iPod/iPhone family chart with the pricing on it, one quickly realizes that Apple did the right thing in pricing the 8gig iPhone at $499. It just logically fits there.
The $100 credit will, in the end, not cost Apple much at all. It's like when Microsoft lost a huge class action lawsuit and the settlement was simply a $75 credit to purchase another Microsoft product. Whoop dee doo! Anyone who thinks that the store credit is actually worth the value printed on it is mistaken.
I don't know how the idiot at UBS came up with a $100 million loss for Apple. They haven't sold 1 million iPhones yet. And no rebate/credit program ever has 100% redemption. And finally Apple's average profit margin is nearly 28%.
So if Apple has sold say 800 iPhones before Sept 5th, with maybe a 75% redemtion rate with a 28% profit margin you would be looking at a cost of around 43,000,000. (And that doesn't count the people who are going to put the $100 toward the purchase of a large ticket item!) For a company that gets an undisclosed amount of money from ATT for each iPhone sold, plus a cut of the monthly bill AND has 13 BILLION dollars in the bank, I don't think this will hurt Apple in any way.
Then there is the Upside that UBS totally ignored. iPhones are now a lot more affordable to a lot more people. All those who said it was too expensive are now going to reconsider an iPhone for Christmas. So guess what that's actually a boost to revenue, because iPhone sales will come in at a higher rate now that it cost a lot less. Basic supply demand, UBS!
Apple's profit over the life of the iPhone 2 year contract WAS somewhere in the neighborhood of $716 dollars an iPhone. With that figure dropping to $516 (with the new $400 price) and volume picking up do you really think Apple is worried? ($100 profit margin on the iPhone, $200 kickback from ATT, $9/month/iphone subscriber x 24 months). The deal Apple cut with ATT is shameless for how profitable it is to Apple. Why do you think Verizon said no?
No, the only thing Apple is worried about is where to hold the victory party next year when they pass Target and Walmart as the #1 seller of music in the U.S.
Look at it this way, with all the recalls on Chinese toys this Christmas, I'm guessing more people will be getting iPhones and iPods under the Christmas tree. Maybe even a Mac or two. Don't forget that's really where Apple makes it's money and Mac sales are powering ahead at a breakneck pace. And Leopard doesn't even arrive until next month. Or...had you forgotten about that???
Sorry, Steve Jobs can't fix the subprime mess, though. I'm pretty sure his house is paid for.
Hey there now! ALL of us are not the greedy, money worshipping types.....
OK, at least, I know one: me!
Haha, couldn't resist, just having some fun.
IMHO the winner was the iPhone. The price drop makes very tempting to get the device. I like the iPod Touch, but since it is only 16gig, I might as well get the iPhone when it hits 16gig, that I think is right around the corner.
I need a cell phone anyway and the AT&T price plans are not bad. So iPhone here I come.
If the Touch was 160gig, then I would get it for sure. Too bad.
I need a cell phone anyway and the AT&T price plans are not bad. So iPhone here I come.
If the Touch was 160gig, then I would get it for sure. Too bad.
Haha, couldn't resist, just having some fun.
LOL--I know! If you know a lawyer joke I HAVEN'T heard yet, I'm all ears!
If the Touch was 160gig, then I would get it for sure. Too bad.
Don't hold your breath for that one, as I think 160GB flash chips are a little ways away from being released...
Hopefully it won't be long until 32GB, because thats when I plan to upgrade...Don't hold your breath for that one, as I think 160GB flash chips are a little ways away from being released...
i think it should be noted that nobody predicted the continuation of the original ipod, which turned into the ipod classic. i think everybody expected the ipod to become the ipod touch complete with hdd, which never panned out.
Don't hold your breath for that one, as I think 160GB flash chips are a little ways away from being released...
I am not, believe me. I wish the Touch was HD instead of flash.
160gig flash is at at least 3 years away.
I don't think it will be that long, as there are already prototypes of 128GB flash-based drives out there along with 64GB flash cards. Regardless, by the time they become feasible from a manufacturing and cost perspective, it will still probably be around 1.5-2 years I'm guessing.
I think I was one that said they were fake. But it could be a bad photoshop job, or 3d program moc up of the piece. I think a lot of companies release renders of their products before even making them.
I still stand by my original imo and say they are pretty ugly! And so are the colors. I don't think that apple poops out great design now, now I know they poop just like the rest of us.
I still don't really understand why the iPod touch wasn't hard drive based. With the iPhone, flash memory was a must because it's a damn phone. iPod is a different story though - we've been fine all these years with hard drive based media players, why can't we have one now in "the best iPod Apple has ever made"? I just think it's a tad soon to be switching the main-focus iPod to flash memory (which has been the whole point of the nano).
Maybe Steve just cares way to much about how thin the device is (anyone notice how many times he said "Just look at how thin this is! It's amazing" in the keynote?). Am I the only one that really doesn't care? My 5.5gen 30gb iPod is plenty thin and extremely portable. I really don't like sacrificing features for an extra 0.XXmm trimmed off the device.
Maybe Steve just cares way to much about how thin the device is (anyone notice how many times he said "Just look at how thin this is! It's amazing" in the keynote?). Am I the only one that really doesn't care? My 5.5gen 30gb iPod is plenty thin and extremely portable. I really don't like sacrificing features for an extra 0.XXmm trimmed off the device.
Sigh, I miss the good ol' days.. Digitimes used to be so inaccurate we'd bet against anything they'd report.