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The Bendguy Cheated You Again.
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So funny how people think that it doesn't bend, when in reality it does. Wow some of these (cough sheep) lol.
I was going to make the point about speed and duration, which has a significant role in this. Just the sitting motion alone can cause the force exerted on the phone to blow past 100 lbs. Sure it's likely only for a brief second, but for an aluminum-framed phone, that's all the time needed.
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. There is a weak spot on the phone where the titanium reinforcement ends. It's near the volume buttons. Even Consumer Reports admits that they did not place pressure on the same part of the phone that Unbox Therapy did. UT was pressing against aluminum; CR was pressing against titanium.
Apple made a mistake. It happens. If (when) your phone bends, go get it replaced. Stop trying to defame and skewer anyone armed with the incredibly obvious fact that aluminum is pliable.
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I haven't denied that it's pliable. Maybe try rebutting points I've actually made instead of ones you imagined I made.
Wow, you are totally missing the point. No one is saying the phone cannot bend at all. The point is, under normal usage the phone will not bend.
Yes, 70lbs of force will cause damage but the key is 70lbs of focused pressure will bend it.
It's seriously laughable when some here are saying 70lbs of force is nothing. I'm 165lb and sat on my phone in the car today. OMG, my phone withstood over twice as much as what was tested, I got a freak iphone!!!
People should understand and know what they're talking about before posting because there are some foolish posts in this thread.
You're missing the point. The CR test that said it takes 70lbs of force was pressing in a spot on the phone that is reinforced by titanium. It takes far less - so little that it can be done by hand, as shown in multiple videos - if the pressure is applied in the right (wrong) place where there are no titanium reinforcements.
This is bound to happen hundreds of thousands of times per year with a phone that will sell as many as the Plus will. Let's remember that most of the people that want the Plus don't yet have it. As deliveries occur, and these people get unlucky by putting the phone in the wrong position in the wrong pair of pants on the wrong day, those phones will bend under very light, normal use, and have to be replaced.
The weak spot is just below the volume buttons. Try it
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You're missing the point. The CR test that said 70lbs of force is required was pressing in a spot on the phone that is reinforced by titanium. It takes far less - enough that it can be done by hand as shown in multiple videos - if you press in the right (wrong) place where there are no titanium reinforcements. It's just below the volume buttons. Try it
Of course I know that. I know that there's a weak spot in the frame so I don't press there because why? It will bend!
Under normal usage, when is there going to be a focused impact at that exact spot? Sure, there may be true cases out there where an accident like that happens.
There's a weak spot in almost any physical object out in the world. It's the engineers and designers job to minimize that and I'm sure the guys at Apple knew this.
The point of my earlier post is calling out the ones that say 70lb of pressure is nothing. Not true at all.
You're missing the point. The CR test that said it takes 70lbs of force was pressing in a spot on the phone that is reinforced by titanium. It takes far less - enough that it can be done by hand, as shown in multiple videos - if the pressure is applied in the right (wrong) place where there are no titanium reinforcements.
This is bound to happen hundreds of thousands of times per year with a phone that will sell as many as the Plus will. Let's remember that most of the people that want the Plus don't yet have it. As deliveries occur, and these people get unlucky by putting the phone in the wrong position in the wrong pair of pants, those phones will bend and have to be replaced.
The weak spot is just below the volume buttons. Try it
I agree with you 100 percent! In all of the iPhone bend tests, they have ALL bent by the volume buttons! That seems to be a weak point for the iPhone. That could also be why the LG G3 could take more force, because its buttons are on the back. I just think that Apple could reinforce the area around the buttons, then it would be perfect!
I agree that it really has alot to do with WHERE you put the pressure. I think we ALL can agree that the volume buttons are a weak spot in the construction/design of the phone. The same goes for the 5 and 5s, they bend at the buttons as well.
Someone should get Ikea to put a pair of jeans on the mechanical ass that tests their Poang chairs. Stuff the jeans with an iPhone 6+ and let the ass sit on the iPhone a couple million times. That should take about 3 weeks.
Then turn off the mechanical ass and see if the phone is bent.
Then turn off the mechanical ass and see if the phone is bent.
Again, am I saying something other than that? We've got 10 days and well north of 10 million phones in the wild at this point. I'd expect to see a lot more reports even by now, but time will indeed tell. Remember, many people have the impression that these things bend EASILY, which is clearly not supported by the number of bend reports so far.
Apple. Multi-national, multi-billion dollar company. iPhone 6 line. Apple's flagship product.
I imagine, and it's not much of a stretch, that Apple tests these devices in some similar way. Somehow I doubt that they produce 10 million of these and gamble the future of their company on it without ever figuring out how it holds up in an average pocket under average stress.
And yes, before you get offended, I know your post was a joke.
You put 70 lbs-ft of torque (hopefully much more in most cars) into rotational tightening of the nuts. The force exerted onto the wheel is much greater due to the multiplication effects of the inclined plane that is the threads.
Also, cars are a stupid analogy for describing the mechanical engineering properties of cell phones.
The bending aka bendgate issue is definately real, even in the front pocket, especially when you wear dress jeans or more fitted non loose jean or pants.
Most folks are in denial on the board about the issue but they will all experience it at some point.....
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Most folks are in denial on the board about the issue but they will all experience it at some point.....
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If by "real" you mean "a person can bend it if they're fool enough to apply that much force to it" then yes, you're right.
The CR test found that 90 lbf was required to permanently deform the iPhone+, not 70 lbf. As stated before by me, that generates the same moment as 67.5 lbf applied just below the volume button, if it is supported only at both ends. This is trivial to calculate using simple beam analysis, ie. high school level engineering.
That is still a lot of force, around half your average person's entire bodyweight. Real-world situations would involve distributed loads, which would greatly increase the required force.
Shear force and bending moments get transferred through an entire device. They are not only present at the point of force application. Supporting the phone at both ends is the worst case realistic scenario, and applying force at the centre of the phone gives the largest maximum bending moment. Any other reasonable loading configuration can be extrapolated from that data, as I have done.
most alloy rims spec about ~75 ft/lb per lug nut, if you go higher you will end up stripping the threading.
Hilarious.
First he cheated because the phone was pre bent.
Then he cheated because the phone was potentially sabotaged.
Now we are throwing that out the window and basically saying "ok it bends BUT he didn't try to bend the moto x as hard so although that's irrelevant.....he cheated!!"
Who looks more ridiculous? Those that believe the Internet video or those grasping at every little thing humanly possible, analyzing the video and drawing little arrows all over it, some proposing the iphone was sabotaged with a weaker frame then eventually admitting it bends but pointing out something else in the video.
Gimme a break already. Surprised you guys haven't corrected his grammar somewhere.
According to CR the iPhone 6 bent at less pressure then a phone that already had reported incidents of bending, the iPhone 5.
Get over it already.
First he cheated because the phone was pre bent.
Then he cheated because the phone was potentially sabotaged.
Now we are throwing that out the window and basically saying "ok it bends BUT he didn't try to bend the moto x as hard so although that's irrelevant.....he cheated!!"
Who looks more ridiculous? Those that believe the Internet video or those grasping at every little thing humanly possible, analyzing the video and drawing little arrows all over it, some proposing the iphone was sabotaged with a weaker frame then eventually admitting it bends but pointing out something else in the video.
Gimme a break already. Surprised you guys haven't corrected his grammar somewhere.
According to CR the iPhone 6 bent at less pressure then a phone that already had reported incidents of bending, the iPhone 5.
Get over it already.
This is true people I returned my 6 today because it was curved.
I am hoping it was an anomaly and just a defective unit but I mentioned in another post that it's in my front pocket 10% of the time at most, if even that much.
Oh my. This illustrates the danger of knowing enough to be dangerous. So many internet experts.
Torque is a rotational force that is described by radius to which the force is applied and the force at that radius. So if you are applying 75lbs of force at one foot the equation would be 75lbs X 1 ft = 75 lbs·ft. Because no units cancel each other out, they have to come across, as lbs·ft. So it's not 75 pounds per foot (75 ft/lb), it's 75 pound feet (75 lbs·ft).
Second, you probably were using a torque wrench that was longer than 12 inches and calibrated accordingly. Meaning the force you exerted was much less.
Third, most wheel studs on modern cars are SAE grade 8 or ISO 10.9 studs, meaning they are carbon alloy steel and have a tensile strength of 150,000 pounds. You are not going to strip or break one that's in good shape without WAY overshooting the torque specs.
Ironically, why alloy wheels have a lower torque spec is actually related to the topic at hand. By alloy wheels they mean an aluminum alloy. So the wheels are much softer than steel wheels, and therefore cannot be torqued as tightly without damaging the wheels.
Well, it depends on the design too (also related to the topic!). Different alloys and mechanical design also affect the torque spec. My truck has aluminum alloy rims and torques at 150 lbs·ft. I'm not sure what the specific alloy is, but suffice it to say it's not as soft as some others. Also, it is a hub-centric wheel, so the lug nuts are flat, not tapered. This allows the wheel to accept more torque as well.
I wouldn't have picked on you, except that you used your marginal knowledge of another subject to try and ridicule those that are concerned about the potential (not sure I am convinced yet) of the iPhone 6(+) to bend, by the absurd claim that the force to bend an iPhone was the same that holds your tires on.
Back to our regularly scheduled program of iPhones can't bend because people don't kick cars intentionally or something...
1. If you are scared the phones will bend:
A.) Don't buy.
B.) Don't keep in your pocket.
C.) Don't enjoy the phones and be scared of its shadow.
2. If you are not scared the phones will bend:
A.) Enjoy the latest, greatest from Apple and ignore the negative hype.
B.) See 2:A
A.) Don't buy.
B.) Don't keep in your pocket.
C.) Don't enjoy the phones and be scared of its shadow.
2. If you are not scared the phones will bend:
A.) Enjoy the latest, greatest from Apple and ignore the negative hype.
B.) See 2:A
Nope.
Have had my Plus coming now to 2 weeks. Normal usage, phone calls Internet browsing, social media, etc etc
Front pocket in and out.
No bending...
Explain!?
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Photo?
Video?
Calling it BS!