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iPad Pro The best product Apple has ever made.
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I share your view.
The iPad Pro looks a lovely piece of kit, and I would certainly love one in principal, but at the moment, it is just too big because of the huge bezels. There is no need for the home button on the iPad; gestures take care of quitting to the Home screen and moving around.
I hope that they significantly reduce or eliminate the bezels for the Pro 2. If they do that, which will make it lighter and less cumbersome, and create iPadOS, I will regard it as a true next-generation iPad. iOS is still far too restricted in numerous ways.
When drawing, I actually find the bezels a bit at the thin end (also being used to the wider ones on my Wacom, I guess). If they were any smaller, I wouldn't be able to draw on the entire screen, since my wrists would fall out into the air on the right side.
(If I was just looking for an iPad for non-drawing stuff, like watching Netflix, I wouldn't go for a Pro anyway regardless of bezels, unnecessarily big and cumbersome. It's actually so big that I have to mess about a bit to clear a space every time i need to put it down, just like a laptop.)
I think you've made a very good point, and that is a problem for its development.
Does Apple accept that it must cater to the artists with this device and keep the bezels, at the expense of extra weight, size and burden, or does it make it smaller, lighter and easier to use for media consumption by reducing the bezels, at the expense of artists?
I hope for the latter, you for the former. Perhaps Apple will need to keep both around so they can expand the market.
Ipp looks like a nice device and all. I have a regular iPad though and it's just never caught on for me as anything more than an occasional casual device. biggest issue is that I have no desire to be constantly gorilla arming around a screen to tap interface widgets. iPhone is the right type of touch device in my mind and even that is getting dangerously large these days.
But! If it works for you that's what counts! Enjoy!
But! If it works for you that's what counts! Enjoy!
Hi thinayr, I respect your thoughts but I will explain why I disagree with them.
This isn't good for your back/neck if you do it for extended periods of time, but supposing you have fantastic distance vision and can read everything on your iPad Pro without looking down at it, well, awesome.
Yeah, my first interactions with computers were either the 286s at my dad's office, or the Apple IIes we had at school. Both involved starting it up with a specific floppy disk in the drive, and they were far from perfect. You could overwrite floppy disks, and make your own programs, and take things from one computer to another via a floppy disk.
The iPad is a sterile tablet that has prescribed programs on it with very little in terms of tinkering around allowed. There isn't any motivation for kids to goof off and break it, and then learn how to fix it. No messing with OSes or trying out system tools because they don't exist.
You're using what MS called task-based multitasking in the 90s. At some point MS decided that everything should always be fully maximized and you use the task bar to switch between tasks. Most people I know that grew up using Windows always have everything maximized in the one-task-at-a-time style.
You might want to try Windows hehe. It still works that way. Apple's UI designers tried hard to keep people from doing that. (remember when the green + button only partially maximized a window?)
Yeah, I agree. At that point, hardware is rapidly outpacing software. We've got smartwatches and smartphones and great tablets, and we're still making mostly fart apps and $0.99 things that only do 1 thing lol.
At that point I understand why MS just put the full version of windows on their tablets. The experience is janky, at best, but you can use everything. There's 20+ years of stuff out there that you can run on a surface, even if it's not going to look great or be magical.
The iPad Pro would make a fantastic DJ console hehe.
This isn't good for your back/neck if you do it for extended periods of time, but supposing you have fantastic distance vision and can read everything on your iPad Pro without looking down at it, well, awesome.
Yeah, my first interactions with computers were either the 286s at my dad's office, or the Apple IIes we had at school. Both involved starting it up with a specific floppy disk in the drive, and they were far from perfect. You could overwrite floppy disks, and make your own programs, and take things from one computer to another via a floppy disk.
The iPad is a sterile tablet that has prescribed programs on it with very little in terms of tinkering around allowed. There isn't any motivation for kids to goof off and break it, and then learn how to fix it. No messing with OSes or trying out system tools because they don't exist.
You're using what MS called task-based multitasking in the 90s. At some point MS decided that everything should always be fully maximized and you use the task bar to switch between tasks. Most people I know that grew up using Windows always have everything maximized in the one-task-at-a-time style.
You might want to try Windows hehe. It still works that way. Apple's UI designers tried hard to keep people from doing that. (remember when the green + button only partially maximized a window?)
Yeah, I agree. At that point, hardware is rapidly outpacing software. We've got smartwatches and smartphones and great tablets, and we're still making mostly fart apps and $0.99 things that only do 1 thing lol.
At that point I understand why MS just put the full version of windows on their tablets. The experience is janky, at best, but you can use everything. There's 20+ years of stuff out there that you can run on a surface, even if it's not going to look great or be magical.
The iPad Pro would make a fantastic DJ console hehe.
Hi thinayr, I respect your thoughts but I will explain why I disagree with them.
This isn't good for your back/neck if you do it for extended periods of time, but supposing you have fantastic distance vision and can read everything on your iPad Pro without looking down at it, well, awesome.
Yeah, my first interactions with computers were either the 286s at my dad's office, or the Apple IIes we had at school. Both involved starting it up with a specific floppy disk in the drive, and they were far from perfect. You could overwrite floppy disks, and make your own programs, and take things from one computer to another via a floppy disk.
The iPad is a sterile tablet that has prescribed programs on it with very little in terms of tinkering around allowed. There isn't any motivation for kids to goof off and break it, and then learn how to fix it. No messing with OSes or trying out system tools because they don't exist.
You're using what MS called task-based multitasking in the 90s. At some point MS decided that everything should always be fully maximized and you use the task bar to switch between tasks. Most people I know that grew up using Windows always have everything maximized in the one-task-at-a-time style.
You might want to try Windows hehe. It still works that way. Apple's UI designers tried hard to keep people from doing that. (remember when the green + button only partially maximized a window?)
Yeah, I agree. At that point, hardware is rapidly outpacing software. We've got smartwatches and smartphones and great tablets, and we're still making mostly fart apps and $0.99 things that only do 1 thing lol.
At that point I understand why MS just put the full version of windows on their tablets. The experience is janky, at best, but you can use everything. There's 20+ years of stuff out there that you can run on a surface, even if it's not going to look great or be magical.
The iPad Pro would make a fantastic DJ console hehe.
I'm with you about most of these things. For me mobile computing is best when viewed as a collection of utilities. It can be a very expansive set of lightweight tools for doing a variety of things that save you from sitting down and firing up a complete computer.
The fact that from pretty much anywhere and at a moments notice I can look up information, contact people in a variety of ways, and entertain myself with games and content is awesome. And for a lot of people, that is the majority of what they need from a computer anyway. So I get the sentiment that for a lot of people it's the best and only device they need.
But there's a lot of us who's work or activities on a computer can't be boiled down into simple utilities, and when you try to, you actually make a less capable tool. I know we certainly aren't everyone. But it's equally narrow minded to say "forget everything else lol my iPad can do Netflix and a notepad side by side!"
I'm with you about most of these things. For me mobile computing is best when viewed as a collection of utilities. It can be a very expansive set of lightweight tools for doing a variety of things that save you from sitting down and firing up a complete computer.
The fact that from pretty much anywhere and at a moments notice I can look up information, contact people in a variety of ways, and entertain myself with games and content is awesome. And for a lot of people, that is the majority of what they need from a computer anyway. So I get the sentiment that for a lot of people it's the best and only device they need.
But there's a lot of us who's work or activities on a computer can't be boiled down into simple utilities, and when you try to, you actually make a less capable tool. I know we certainly aren't everyone. But it's equally narrow minded to say "forget everything else lol my iPad can do Netflix and a notepad side by side!"
With SSDs becoming standard in laptops and Desktops, a computer starts up in 5-10 seconds. Still not the same as an ipad, but it's not the laborious process it once was. And a lot of people don't turn their Macs off.
Yeah, that's the magic of the ipad.
I think that a lot of people just don't want to know what they CAN do with a computer. People are stubborn and lazy.
I'd add - frustratingly less capable tool!
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In saying that, I love my ipad (well, I've got an air 1, so make that like). I've got certain uses for it and it does those extremely well for the most part. I just don't like surfing the web on it or content creation.
I liked my iPad 3 as a light browsing and video watching tool. If it ran the way it did on ios6, I'd have zero complaints, but zero desire to ever upgrade either. i still have no upgrade interests (unless there was a less expensive option for getting pencil functionality), but now it's compounded by the wariness of how fast updates render the devices unpleasant to use even for what they were originally good at, and no way to roll back.
I have to say.... I like it. I may even get one if I can get over it's price! But I had a play with it in the Apple store the other weekend and it truly really honestly surprised me.
I've been thinking how it could fit in with my other gadgets and lifestyle but reckon I could make it work. It would be for leisure use but has great speakers, the big screen really brings iOS to life on a tablet, the ease with scrolling in from the sides to get the split view was excellent. The keyboard I thought was good too. Yeah a white 128GB WiFi with the keyboard I think.
I think it's one of the best iOS devices they've ever made, it was like the iPhone 4 of tablets for me.
For me it would replace my lounging with my 2010 15" MacBook Pro, and maybe other tasks too, I could maybe get an iMac then.
I've been thinking how it could fit in with my other gadgets and lifestyle but reckon I could make it work. It would be for leisure use but has great speakers, the big screen really brings iOS to life on a tablet, the ease with scrolling in from the sides to get the split view was excellent. The keyboard I thought was good too. Yeah a white 128GB WiFi with the keyboard I think.
I think it's one of the best iOS devices they've ever made, it was like the iPhone 4 of tablets for me.
For me it would replace my lounging with my 2010 15" MacBook Pro, and maybe other tasks too, I could maybe get an iMac then.
Technically the iPad Pro is from Marty McFly's time in "The Future". They travelled to October 21, 2015.
I've been blown away as well and wholeheartedly agree with you about how preoccupations with keyboards, cursors and trackpads are only a problem to those who grew up with those legacy input devices and are unable to change their perspective. That will soon go away as newer generations take over just as command line purists disappeared into the ether with the introduction of the GUI and its keyboard/mouse configuration. Its time has now also come to go.
I'm a photographer and I'm excited to change the way I work. The status quo involved being hunched over a desk controlling a mouse while sorting through thousands of photos and indirectly manipulating each one. I'm blowing that all up and building a workflow using tools of the future.
This week, along with the iPad Pro, I purchased a 55" 4K tv and a comfortable sit back chair. Instead of sitting at my desk, I'll sit back in this chair with my legs crossed or up on an ottoman and touch my photos directly while having them displayed in full size, pixel for pixel on the big screen ahead.
The future is here. Many will cling to the past but they'll inevitably slip away.
I'm a photographer and I'm excited to change the way I work. The status quo involved being hunched over a desk controlling a mouse while sorting through thousands of photos and indirectly manipulating each one. I'm blowing that all up and building a workflow using tools of the future.
This week, along with the iPad Pro, I purchased a 55" 4K tv and a comfortable sit back chair. Instead of sitting at my desk, I'll sit back in this chair with my legs crossed or up on an ottoman and touch my photos directly while having them displayed in full size, pixel for pixel on the big screen ahead.
The future is here. Many will cling to the past but they'll inevitably slip away.
it might be perfectly suited for your usage case, but that doesn't equate to everyone. i use iPads and i get arm fatigue having to tap around the screen, and thats just for casual use. other input devices still have the benefit of remapping smaller hand/arm movements to navigate a screen.
there is no way i would use a touch screen for doing the 3d modelling and motion graphics work i do. (especially for 8+ hr workdays)
and even for office suite type apps, i would get annoyed super quickly having to go between a keyboard accessory and reaching up to press the screen for any toolbar/menu options. just because touch screens feel magical and futuristic, doesn't mean they are the most practical device for every task.
I received mine today. The speakers are really great (with the exception that they're still pointing to the people around me instead of to myself, the user), but apart from that my biggest reaction so far is that it's big and harder to hold than a regular iPad Air. What are some apps to play around with to convince me that this is a qualitatively new device I need?
Disclaimer: I mostly bought it for the PDF note-taking and image viewing/editing capabilities. I'm sure I'll like those things once I get the pen (tomorrow) and figure out how to sync my Lightroom workflow over.
Disclaimer: I mostly bought it for the PDF note-taking and image viewing/editing capabilities. I'm sure I'll like those things once I get the pen (tomorrow) and figure out how to sync my Lightroom workflow over.
Where is the best place to learn all the new shortcuts? I knew about two finger trackpad but the other ones I haven't seen yet.
iBooks has the new IOS 9.2 IPad user guide/manual (free by the way) and it contains everything we need to know and/or learn
iPad User Guide for iOS 9.2 by Apple Inc.
https://itun.es/us/U4OT9.l
iPad User Guide for iOS 9.2 by Apple Inc.
https://itun.es/us/U4OT9.l
Exactly my thoughts, we have all this power within our hands and yet our software is the limiting factor. I miss when it was the other way around..... When you were excited to get a new game or develop a program because it would be that much better NOW our macs cannot even play games but we spend 3k so we can......................... make our home movies better.
Which is why the software keyboard is the progression forward. Rather than transitioning between old and new methods of text input, newer generations will prefer manipulating everything on screen. The transition from onscreen keyboard to gestures for selecting text is a natural one.
You may prefer the concept of a physical keyboard because that's what you've become used to but I've never seen the kids in my family go look for a hardware keyboard to type on. They've never owned a laptop, only a piece of glass that they do everything on. They use the iPad on a slope on a table and type directly on the on screen keyboard — and they do it very quickly and effectively without looking at their fingers. Can you imagine the GUI generation being asked to use the mouse for some tasks but have to input terminal commands in between for others?
As with everything else, you have to adjust your thinking for generational habits. The next generations won't have the same habits as ours, just as we didn't have the same as the ones before us. That's how the world changes. You can either cling to how things were done in the past or adopt new methods and stay current.
I personally have found that completely blowing up everything I knew about photo editing has had an awesome payoff. It's unchained me from a desk and I've become far more productive looking at a glowing print quality photo in my hands and manipulating it directly with my fingers and a Pencil. My old school photography colleagues go cross eyed watching me zoom through hundreds of photos an hour using the full range of gestures available. Some of them came from the film era and were just now finally adjusting to digital so they're a world apart from what's coming and it can be intimidating. I started with digital and am incredibly excited with what the iPad Pro will bring to my industry and many others.
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Sorry I missed this, there are tons of forums on this subject, I just followed this one, http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/292645-guide-surfacepro-1-2-osx-android-windows-multiboot/. It doesn't matter if the instructions are for Surface Pro 2 or 3, same install process. I haven't gotten touch to work, mostly because I Only use OSX when the Surface is docked but there are a few who have. Just look around, you'll find the answer.
There is also an option two, just install OSX into a VirtualBox, if you have the i7 version of the Surface Pro with virtualization, it screams and you'll also have full support for the touchscreen and pen.
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[doublepost=1453175705][/doublepost]Don't know why you are getting so excited. This tablet (in android form) was available over a year ago -- the Samsung Note Pro 12.2. It's actually superior to the IPP, ad even has a built in wacom stylo (and its free.) Check it out. Some interesting IPP vs. Note Pro 12.2 on You Tube.
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I have the Samsung Note Pro 12.2 first edition, and it is in many many ways far superior to the IPP. Check out the IPP vs Note Pro 12.2 on You Tube.
I agree.
I've said it before but, my niece has grown up tapping away on an iPad while texting on her smart phone since grade school. She looks at me typing away on my laptop like I'm an outdated 'square". She, and her girlfriends won't have anything to do with 'old school' laptops. When I purchased an iPad to try it out she told me it was about time I "finally stepped into the 21st century". Any questions I had about using it she knew without hesitation. Even at her young age she is more computer/tech savvy than I've ever been.
This generation is all about mobility and living within an iOS environment. The rest of us might have to adjust for what's coming or get left behind.
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iPad Pro is great, but I'll wait for it to mature a bit and the app market to be better. I want it to get thinner. Much thinner. Imagine how amazing it would be if it was 1 pound flat? Ditch the camera if you must, it's pointless anyways. It would also be nice if they gave you more leeway in configuring it. I would prefer 8GB of RAM. Also, 64GB should be the base storage at least.
The headline is a bit hyberbolic, but I do agree that the iPad Pro is a great device. I absolutely love it.
You can actually comfortably write shorter texts on this one, the screen keyboard is nicely improved (don't underestimate the dictation function, it works very well). Still, the laptop is my go-to device, when creating content. Browsing the Internet and news sites is much better than the normal iPad. Sheet music = perfect.
You can actually comfortably write shorter texts on this one, the screen keyboard is nicely improved (don't underestimate the dictation function, it works very well). Still, the laptop is my go-to device, when creating content. Browsing the Internet and news sites is much better than the normal iPad. Sheet music = perfect.
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Not only have I not found the transition difficult, it happened without me noticing. If I were going to type a lot, I'd go sit at my iMac. But I've noticed that I've begun using the iPad Pro like a laptop, propped up in its case at an angle, typing away at a rate similar to a physical keyboard.
Another thing is that I thought that the iPadPro would stay at my desk because it's just so big. But having used it for a while now, it's become my "laptop" of choice. It has a laptop size screen but is lighter and thinner than one. Now, it goes everywhere I'd take a laptop to.