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The iPad Pro is a nice product but with how force touch works on the 6s I am waiting until gen 2. I see that it is a good device for what most people need (since it can accomplish the work that most people do). I can see it being a very valuable tool for professions like law where writing and research accounts for a large portion of the work if a file system is added in the next version of iOS. Adding some sort of touch sensitive area on the keyboard would also help to increase it's usefulness in terms of ease of use (being able to move a cursor in something like Word without touching the screen would really help). For a consumption device it is brilliant and I see many personal use reasons to own one.
 
At first, I purchased the iPad Pro for  pencil... I love pencil so much that I get myself an iPad Pro...
However, after getting the device, it totally changed my mind. First of all, SIZE DO MATTER, and matter much much more than you expected!!!! iPad Pro brings a revolutionary different experience.

Now I normally just don't bring my Mac out. Even at home, I am using the iPad Pro for the most time.
The sound effect is astonishing... I enjoy it even more than my Bose soundlink mini, which is known as the best bluetooth speaker.

With the pencil that I finally got last weekend, it just turned into something I MUST HAVE/CANNOT LEAVE.

It's the first time that I am so satisfied with the 1st generation device of Apple's products.

PS. Don't get any fully covered case / keyboard, they are too heavy and will ruin your experience. Smart Cover is my choice, for both the weight and the convenience to remove.
 
The iPad Pro is a nice product but with how force touch works on the 6s I am waiting until gen 2. I see that it is a good device for what most people need (since it can accomplish the work that most people do). I can see it being a very valuable tool for professions like law where writing and research accounts for a large portion of the work if a file system is added in the next version of iOS. Adding some sort of touch sensitive area on the keyboard would also help to increase it's usefulness in terms of ease of use (being able to move a cursor in something like Word without touching the screen would really help). For a consumption device it is brilliant and I see many personal use reasons to own one.
Isn't force touch on a large size device kind of weird? Especially when you hold it instead of laying it on the desk
 
Really cool. I disagree. Using an external keyboard is simple and intuitive. In fact it is great browsing. I don't even need to touch the screen. If I want to search for something new I use command tab and get a new tab and type what I'm looking for. If I want to switch apps command tab.

Glad you enjoy the surface pro 4 and all that setting up and managing things. I enjoy just grabbing the iPad pro and having it be on ready to go. No setup. No emulation, no managing 16gb of ram. No moving files around. No plugging in external displays. No worrying about syncing my other twenty devices on seperate Operating systems. Simplicity. I love it.


Uhhh you don't have to "manage" ram or do anything he noted. The difference is you have a choice to do those things. One can grab a surface pro 4 and jut simply use it out of the box just as easily as an iPad.
 
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Uhhh you don't have to "manage" ram or do anything he noted. The difference is you have a choice to do those things. One can grab a surface pro 4 and jut simply use it out of the box just as easily as an iPad.

No you don't have to manage ram (you have to manage all the programs you would use to fill up that ram, especially if you need to justify having a 16gb ram model when all you are going to do is facebook and netflix). I do not think it is as simple as using an iPad. It is not complex (depending upon what you are doing) but I would not say it is as simple as using an iPad. This is considering the use case of the machine as a tablet.

The post was actually in response to someone who was doing twenty things at once on the Surface Pro 4 and using that as a selling point. I was merely pointing out I do not even want the option to do that. I don't get excited from moving a bunch of windows around and watching two tv shows with a live sports feed all at the same time whilst browsing the net and emulating OSX. Not that it is bad if you do. I just think the comparison is useless.
 
No you don't have to manage ram (you have to manage all the programs you would use to fill up that ram, especially if you need to justify having a 16gb ram model when all you are going to do is facebook and netflix). I do not think it is as simple as using an iPad. It is not complex (depending upon what you are doing) but I would not say it is as simple as using an iPad. This is considering the use case of the machine as a tablet.

The post was actually in response to someone who was doing twenty things at once on the Surface Pro 4 and using that as a selling point. I was merely pointing out I do not even want the option to do that. I don't get excited from moving a bunch of windows around and watching two tv shows with a live sports feed all at the same time whilst browsing the net and emulating OSX. Not that it is bad if you do. I just think the comparison is useless.

That is total BS. I have an old Samsung Series 7 tablet with an i5 cpu and "only" 4GB of RAM and never have to manage any programs. They all just work. I run full Photoshop with pen editing and never had any ram management issues. It is ABSOLUTELY as simple as an iPad if you want it to be and 16GB is not a requirement. That is like saying the iPad pro is a failing because it has more RAM than the iPad Air which is a silly argument. If you want to do more advanced things, you can and that is the advantage - flexibility. I understand you say you don't want to do those advanced things, but a windows 10 tablet with 1GB of RAM can run tablet apps just fine so I have no clue where you are coming from relating Netflix and 16GB of RAM.
 
That is total BS. I have an old Samsung Series 7 tablet with an i5 cpu and "only" 4GB of RAM and never have to manage any programs. They all just work. I run full Photoshop with pen editing and never had any ram management issues. It is ABSOLUTELY as simple as an iPad if you want it to be and 16GB is not a requirement. That is like saying the iPad pro is a failing because it has more RAM than the iPad Air which is a silly argument. If you want to do more advanced things, you can and that is the advantage - flexibility. I understand you say you don't want to do those advanced things, but a windows 10 tablet with 1GB of RAM can run tablet apps just fine so I have no clue where you are coming from relating Netflix and 16GB of RAM.

Indeed you have no clue. I am not talking about going into the computer and managing the ram, im talking about people overbuying things then having to find a use case to justify spending the money (as you said you don't have a clue). Just to fill you in a little more here. Im talking about having the ability to fill up the ram that is the problem with management. I don't even want that ability. That is a specific use case and that is what the person was doing when I responded about the simplicity of using the ipad pro.

In regards to the other topic. I disagree. I had a surface pro 3 when it was first released. A nice device. Not as simple to use as an iPad for tablet things. Maybe im wrong. Start a poll and see what the responses say? I can only give a subjective account. I have used a bunch of windows tablets with only 1gb ram and i agree they are neat. They can do cool things. I had a $35 winbook running a 1080p display with office snapped to one side while playing a video on the other and downloading things in the background. A neat experiment. Not my ideal computing solution though.
 
Indeed you have no clue. I am not talking about going into the computer and managing the ram, im talking about people overbuying things then having to find a use case to justify spending the money (as you said you don't have a clue). Just to fill you in a little more here. Im talking about having the ability to fill up the ram that is the problem with management. I don't even want that ability. That is a specific use case and that is what the person was doing when I responded about the simplicity of using the ipad pro.

In regards to the other topic. I disagree. I had a surface pro 3 when it was first released. A nice device. Not as simple to use as an iPad for tablet things. Maybe im wrong. Start a poll and see what the responses say? I can only give a subjective account. I have used a bunch of windows tablets with only 1gb ram and i agree they are neat. They can do cool things. I had a $35 winbook running a 1080p display with office snapped to one side while playing a video on the other and downloading things in the background. A neat experiment. Not my ideal computing solution though.

Wow what a burden you have determining who over buys and who doesn't for everyone. The exact same silly argument could be made about the iPad Pro. Perhaps people that buy high end iPad Pro and Surface Pro devices are enthusiasts, plan on keeping them and want to future proof as much as possible. Your argument applies equally to both devices and is simply without any merit.

I agree the netbook or 1GB tablets aren't my cup of tea either. But where I take issue is issuing declarations of fact when is simply a matter of your preference. You prefer iPP and that is fine. But there is nothing different between it an a surface with respect to RAM or management thereof. Both devices are extremely simple to boot up, agree to some terms of service, add your account and start downloading apps from the store and start using. I love my iPad Air, but it isnt any easier. The Surface only becomes less easy when one starts doing things the iPad can't even do. So from that angle yes, restrictions prevent one from getting into trouble. It prevents ones from doing more with the device as well.
 
Ok. Cool. I'm not determining for everyone anything as I said it's purely subjective just as your statement is. Using Windows is not as simple for someone who has never done it. Do we need some off the wall analogy here to understand this? Perhaps a car one? The whole idea of future proofing as well, here we have another loaded term. I don't care about either to be honest.
As I said the old comment was in response to one suggesting that the ability to watch five videos at one time (like it's even possible) and do other work at the "the same time" was a selling point to the surface. I was just sharing why I liked the iPad pro.
I just come here to report my subjective experience and enjoy others. That's it. I don't care about how simple the surface is, for me it's not as simple as an iPad and that's that.
 
I was taking notes in a meeting yesterday with my iPP and Pencil. I snapped a picture of a handout and embedded it into my written notes, marking up the handout as needed and making notes in the margins and stuff. One of my coworkers pointed out that I could have done that with a pen and paper, until I pointed out to him that I was leaving without any papers to file or throw away. I also was able to erase and make changes to some of my notes as we went along (it was a planning meeting so somethings were changing as we talked), and my notes would be searchable at the end so it would be easier for me to find keywords later. I don't know how valuable that is to anyone else, but it's damned cool to me as an avid note taker. I've also worked on a couple PowerPoint presentations, Word documents, a spreadsheet, etc.

On this same device, I watched most of Jessica Jones on Netflix this weekend and made it to about halfway through A Dance with Dragons last night. It truly is an all-in-one device for me, with the battery life to make it all day. I get that it might not cut it for others, but I'll be damned if it isn't one of the coolest and most useful devices I've owned. It's amazing how much of a difference a bigger screen could make in changing my perception of the iPad as a productivity device.

May I ask the app you were using to do this? As well as the search?

I played with Evernote but marking up photos in skitch is not good. I like the notebook organization and all. There are many times I would like to snap a pic of a handout and write on it and export to a pdf for someone else.

I would go through a notepad of paper in two weeks. I started note takin on the ipp and love it. No mess, no waste.
 
May I ask the app you were using to do this? As well as the search?

I played with Evernote but marking up photos in skitch is not good. I like the notebook organization and all. There are many times I would like to snap a pic of a handout and write on it and export to a pdf for someone else.

I would go through a notepad of paper in two weeks. I started note takin on the ipp and love it. No mess, no waste.
OneNote. I found it to be the best of the note taking apps for me; my handwriting looked more natural on it and my notes were searchable as long as I was syncing my notebook with OneDrive. The only issue with taking pictures of documents and then uploading them in OneNote is that you can't really manipulate the image (rotate, etc.) once you've uploaded it, which is kind of a weird limitation of the OneNote mobile app (in Windows as well, I discovered).

Even still, it gets my vote after trying several note-taking apps.
 
At first, I purchased the iPad Pro for  pencil... I love pencil so much that I get myself an iPad Pro...
However, after getting the device, it totally changed my mind. First of all, SIZE DO MATTER, and matter much much more than you expected!!!! iPad Pro brings a revolutionary different experience.

Now I normally just don't bring my Mac out. Even at home, I am using the iPad Pro for the most time.
The sound effect is astonishing... I enjoy it even more than my Bose soundlink mini, which is known as the best bluetooth speaker.

With the pencil that I finally got last weekend, it just turned into something I MUST HAVE/CANNOT LEAVE.

It's the first time that I am so satisfied with the 1st generation device of Apple's products.

PS. Don't get any fully covered case / keyboard, they are too heavy and will ruin your experience. Smart Cover is my choice, for both the weight and the convenience to remove.

I can relate to your enthusiasm. I didn't take it to work today and I actually *missed* it. I don't think I've ever felt that way about the iPad before. Really an awesome companion device for so many reasons.
 
After reading this thread. I sincerely believe the iPad pro 2 will be the better buy since there will be some added features and some actual app support for this device by then. Currently, it's a giant iPad with stylus support. If the iPad Air 3 gets stylus support, I may never buy the iPad pro and just use the apple pencil with the iPad Air 3 since it's cheaper and performs the exact same tasks. I also wonder what Samsung will come out with next year to compete with the iPad pro. Since Samsung knows the ins and outs of multitasking, I'm wondering if a Note Pro 2 13 inch is in store for next year. Now, that Google has their pixel out, app development for pro-like devices will be in store for android as well.
 
While I love my iPad Pro, I have to disagree, for me the best Apple product to date would be the rMBP/MBP.
 
I have been testing it out for a few weeks, and never thought I would really like the larger size...I will be selling my iPad Air. But I have to say it has completely won me over. It is simply an amazing device.

Size of the screen and speakers are amazing. This changes the experience of an iPad.

I can't wait to see what they do with iOS10 because there are defiantly some limitations.

To summerize....I am a Mac guy...this is the first device that makes me not want to use my Mac. I can't get rid of my Mac at all yet, but I never thought I would feel that way.
 
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I didn't think I'd like the iPP Pro so much, but it is undoubtedly the best iDevice I've ever used... Who am I kidding, I think it's my favorite Apple device to date. I have not found a single flaw with it, I use it for everything, it has become my main computer. I still want a MacBook though, lol. I hope when I am able to purchase a 12" or the rumored 14" MacBook it will maybe become my other favorite device. Apple has had many mis-steps the past couple years IMO, but the iPP and rMB are quite nice.

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I have been testing it out for a few weeks, and never thought I would really like the larger size...I will be selling my iPad Air. But I have to say it has completely won me over. It is simply an amazing device.

Size of the screen and speakers are amazing. This changes the experience of an iPad.

I can't wait to see what they do with iOS10 because there are defiantly some limitations.

To summerize....I am a Mac guy...this is the first device that makes me not want to use my Mac. I can't get rid of my Mac at all yet, but I never thought I would feel that way.

Interesting, I just don't see how adding just a bigger screen and stylus support can make a device "amazing". I would ask myself and I'm truly doing anything different that I could not do on the smaller iPads. You can take notes with the stylus but this is the digital age where typing out notes etc is just more convenient. At one point many Apple supporters or fans criticized the Samsung note series for having stylus support, but now that Apple does it they act like its the second coming of Christ.
 
Interesting, I just don't see how adding just a bigger screen and stylus support can make a device "amazing". I would ask myself and I'm truly doing anything different that I could not do on the smaller iPads. You can take notes with the stylus but this is the digital age where typing out notes etc is just more convenient. At one point many Apple supporters or fans criticized the Samsung note series for having stylus support, but now that Apple does it they act like its the second coming of Christ.

For what its worth I do not have the Apple Pencil. Trust me, I am a HUGE Mac person. I love OS X. If I had to keep only one Apple product it would be my Mac. I need my Mac still for work....and I usually don't want to take both devices around my building with me, so I grab whichever one I need.

And I want to only use the iPad Pro but just can't yet. But whenever I can, I now choose to use the iPad Pro over my Macbook every time I can.

Never thought that was going to be case.
 
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