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Having fun, eh? Nice looking pet (your yellow "Tiger"). 🙂
Porsche 917-043, the Martini International Racing team long-tail (Langheck), the "story" continues:
This auction listing details some of the background:
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-1145925
Note that they are being cautious with their wording.
You can read a bit more here (see reply #12):
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/106432-porsches-in-la/
Vasek Polak is involved here, since he owned a chassis 917-044 for a while, then it seems he had the car fully built up from his extensive collection of parts, and sometime later it became a Martini liveried machine. 044 was listed as a spare chassis by Porsche.
I won't say which one is which. But it's an interesting close up look at this vintage of "state-of-the-art" race car of the time.
These Longtail models were the push to get the outright Le Mans victory through the theory that the absolute highest top speed would net the victory. And if Le Mans 1970 had been dry, this probably would have occurred.
At 37:05, you can see 917-043 at the Teloché workshop where Porsche based themselves to prepare for Le Mans. In the photo are, from left:
Anatole "Tony" Lapine (stylist)
Freiherr (Baron) Fritz Huschke von Hanstein
Frau Ursula von Hanstein (talking to Peter Falk)
Dr Ferry Porsche (wearing the hat)
Peter Falk (with the glasses) talking to Frau von Hanstein.
Also in the background is the engine cover for the actual Le Mans winner, 917-023. By this time, Ferdinand Piech had started to take over the racing operations but it should be noted the Baron with his great diplomatic skills and connections managed to steer the team through various tricky situations. He was very influential.
This auction listing details some of the background:
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-1145925
Note that they are being cautious with their wording.
You can read a bit more here (see reply #12):
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/106432-porsches-in-la/
Vasek Polak is involved here, since he owned a chassis 917-044 for a while, then it seems he had the car fully built up from his extensive collection of parts, and sometime later it became a Martini liveried machine. 044 was listed as a spare chassis by Porsche.
I won't say which one is which. But it's an interesting close up look at this vintage of "state-of-the-art" race car of the time.
These Longtail models were the push to get the outright Le Mans victory through the theory that the absolute highest top speed would net the victory. And if Le Mans 1970 had been dry, this probably would have occurred.
At 37:05, you can see 917-043 at the Teloché workshop where Porsche based themselves to prepare for Le Mans. In the photo are, from left:
Anatole "Tony" Lapine (stylist)
Freiherr (Baron) Fritz Huschke von Hanstein
Frau Ursula von Hanstein (talking to Peter Falk)
Dr Ferry Porsche (wearing the hat)
Peter Falk (with the glasses) talking to Frau von Hanstein.
Also in the background is the engine cover for the actual Le Mans winner, 917-023. By this time, Ferdinand Piech had started to take over the racing operations but it should be noted the Baron with his great diplomatic skills and connections managed to steer the team through various tricky situations. He was very influential.
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I would take the normally aspirate one of these two American cars as long as it is black color, and only if I could afford it:
diamond.g
macrumors G5
I would like to see comparison tests of those done by someone like SportAuto and see how those compare with other times.
Sub 2 second times are very difficult to achieve.
You are in the realm of mega-power electric cars with 4WD acceleration, those are a given, we know what they can do - they just go like bullets with no fuss (aside from the humans inside).
Then slightly slower are the mega top speed machines like Chiron Supersport which is very consistent from 0-100km/h and 0-200km/h, lots of people have done acceleration tests from those in various locations.
Sub 2 second times are very difficult to achieve.
You are in the realm of mega-power electric cars with 4WD acceleration, those are a given, we know what they can do - they just go like bullets with no fuss (aside from the humans inside).
Then slightly slower are the mega top speed machines like Chiron Supersport which is very consistent from 0-100km/h and 0-200km/h, lots of people have done acceleration tests from those in various locations.
diamond.g
macrumors G5
I don't know thew details about each engine except that one of the two uses hybrid power or torque, while the other is a normally aspirated engine.
I don't know much about the different powertrains used in F1 and FE race cars, but here are some of the details about both:
Which one is faster, FE or F1?
The the 6-cylinder engines used in F1 quite powerful and lightweight, and the batteries used for storing the electricity are relatively small. In this case this battery power is used only for a short period of time (a few short seconds per lap). In my view, a hybrid engine like the one used in F1, and also the Corvette above makes more sense than a fully electric race car, but this is my opinion based on what I prefer. That said, a car or truck that has a normally aspirated engine is the one I "prefer" over all others, and a hybrid engine second.
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diamond.g
macrumors G5
Weird, I was fairly certain both the ZR1 and ZR1X are turbocharged. The only difference is the ZR1X uses hybrid for AWD.
I think you are thinking of the Stingray (base model) and E-Ray (hybrid). Those use naturally aspirated engines. I think the Z06 is also NA, but I believe it uses a different engine.
Reverend Benny
macrumors 68000
Massive Seat fanboi here. I think that the 3rd gen is prob one of the best looking of them all, especially the interior.
Have owned 4 of them all from the regular hatchback to the ST. Still considering to get an old 2019 or 2020 Cupra but the prices of old petrol cars are mad where I live.
Will be interesting to see what the new Cupra Raval is like.
TumbleDryer
macrumors 603
I had a Mk1 Red Cupra R, Then a Mk2 FR+ and now the Mk3 Cupra 300. Not really a fan of Mk4 stuff. Today's modern cars just don't appeal to me. They all look the same and are pretty ugly for the most part. This Cupra mk3 and a couple of the Golf Rs look nice but other than that nothing stands out. I always liked the RS3 but even they too look ugly now.
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Reverend Benny
macrumors 68000
Flippin gorgeous. Only downside with the Cupra was that you can't get a factory towbar installed on it. Was possible on the rare 190HP 2.0TSI version tho. The last one I had was a 1.0TSI 115HP FR, but even with that little engine it was pretty fun to drive as cheap as chips to run in terms of fuel consumption.
I have been looking out for Ibiza Cupra with the 1.8 TSI engine (2015 or later) and manual gearbox that's not destroyed or pimped to death, but they are hard to find.
And I agree on the Audi and their smaller cars, used to love them but not sure what's going on there, last car that they built that attracted me was the A3 versions built on the same platform as the MK3 Leon up till 2020. Loved the interior on the A3 with the round vents.
TumbleDryer
macrumors 603
I think a lot of Seat Cupra's tend to be modded. I've added the Maxton Splitter and side skirts to finish the car off as without it looks quite plain and I do intend to upgrade the exhaust at some point as even though this is a pregpf model its still pretty quiet. I want more of a nice little burble out the back, nothing crazy though just a deeper rumble.
Regarding the tow bar on the Cupra... it's not possible I imagine because of the massive muffler across the back. I think with the estate you can have tow bar because it has separate mufflers on each pipe.
Im putting in a higher flow air filter today. K&N. It simply replaces the stock 'paper' filter in the OEM box but allows more air through and instead of replacing it at each service you just clean it and reuse it for over 100000 miles. So slight boost in power and save money in the long run. With the addition of the exhaust as well it could be pushing close to 340bhp.
Shape wise the Raval doesn't impress me. It's like the Cupra Born. If that was as wide as a Leon its stretched out looks would probably make it look stunning but it seems to be very thin and top heavy looking. The Raval looks like it's going to be the same. Weird.
CUPRA Raval Pre-Series test drive - CUPRA's Electric Urban car - SEATCUPRA.NET
Ahead of its launch in 2026, the CUPRA Raval took the road in pre-series form, revealing a glimpse of the brand’s next electric urban car.
www.seatcupra.net
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Hey all, so I’m pretty new to cars and kinda got roped into them when my brother bought a turbocharged MK5 VW GTI Golf (which is pretty cool imo). I’ve been doing research and am looking into getting a turbocharged Honda Civic or Accord. Here’s what I know so far if someone can kinda fact check me:
- The K series civics have the best internals (K20 or K24) or J-series Accord
- Both cars would likely need upgraded tires and suspension to handle the boosted HP
- Both need tuned
- Both need upgraded intercooler
- What is it with upgrading the fuel system or not?
- Do axles need upgraded?
- Would the clutch need upgraded in the Accord or just the Civic?
Reverend Benny
macrumors 68000
Half American, half Canadian: Take a ride in a car with two front ends
The owner of this quirky vehicle says it gets a "lot of smiles per gallon" on the streets of Detroit.
www.bbc.com
There is a fairly new Lamborghini Ultimae around my area now. Now I like the sound of Lamborghini V12 engines like in 400GT, Miura, Espada, Countach, etc.
I have to ask, how did they manage to lose that appeal so badly? The Ultimae sounds about as well tuned as Onslow’s old Ford Cortina in Keeping Up Appearances. All it needs is the smoke cloud to go with the explosions. 🙄
It is the most irritating noise, like a swarm of bees buzzing angrily and then explosions. Oh Lamborghini please go back to proper engine notes, real internal combustion music of those old Weber carburettor equipped engines.
I have to ask, how did they manage to lose that appeal so badly? The Ultimae sounds about as well tuned as Onslow’s old Ford Cortina in Keeping Up Appearances. All it needs is the smoke cloud to go with the explosions. 🙄
It is the most irritating noise, like a swarm of bees buzzing angrily and then explosions. Oh Lamborghini please go back to proper engine notes, real internal combustion music of those old Weber carburettor equipped engines.
There is a one off special Bugatti Veyron "FKP Hommage" that has been unveiled:
The "FKP" for Ferdinand Karl Piech who had the idea for this machine.
Custom bodywork, very cleaned up but still a Veyron, while the engine is the ultimate 8.0L W16 1600hp engine from the Bugatti Mistral. I think this looks stunning, really graceful. That alluminium for the centre console is one piece, machine from a single block!
The clock is an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Tourbillon! The section that holds it in place is a watch winder that will keep the clock powered up. 😯 It does that at regular intervals, but will hide the watch away when the car is switched off. The whole interior is just beautiful.
It is a special commission.
The original Veyron must have been one of the most difficult engineering projects. Ferdinand Piech gave them a tough target to achieve.
The "FKP" for Ferdinand Karl Piech who had the idea for this machine.
Custom bodywork, very cleaned up but still a Veyron, while the engine is the ultimate 8.0L W16 1600hp engine from the Bugatti Mistral. I think this looks stunning, really graceful. That alluminium for the centre console is one piece, machine from a single block!
The clock is an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Tourbillon! The section that holds it in place is a watch winder that will keep the clock powered up. 😯 It does that at regular intervals, but will hide the watch away when the car is switched off. The whole interior is just beautiful.
It is a special commission.
The original Veyron must have been one of the most difficult engineering projects. Ferdinand Piech gave them a tough target to achieve.
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macsixtyforty
macrumors member
I found this really interesting, the unique one-off BMW E39 M5 mule car with the VW 5.0L W10 prototype engine:
This was a mule car that Dr Ferdinand Piëch used himself for quite a while. That's the mythical machine that was rumoured, now we see it actually running. The engine is 480hp and 590Nm torque, inside it has Stack instrumentation in place of the normal BMW E39 stuff, also a lot of extra instruments on the centre console and the very obvious stop button in case something goes seriously wrong.
You have to give Dr Piëch credit, he brought about some really innovative stuff.
Also interesting seeing that W12 race engine, it is not the W12 Nardo supercar engine either, seems to be something else again.
A Diablo was used as a mule car for the big W16 engine.
Next thing we need to see is the BMW M5 wagon mule car with the S70/2 McLaren engine in it. Rumours suggest it still exists.
This was a mule car that Dr Ferdinand Piëch used himself for quite a while. That's the mythical machine that was rumoured, now we see it actually running. The engine is 480hp and 590Nm torque, inside it has Stack instrumentation in place of the normal BMW E39 stuff, also a lot of extra instruments on the centre console and the very obvious stop button in case something goes seriously wrong.
You have to give Dr Piëch credit, he brought about some really innovative stuff.
Also interesting seeing that W12 race engine, it is not the W12 Nardo supercar engine either, seems to be something else again.
A Diablo was used as a mule car for the big W16 engine.
Next thing we need to see is the BMW M5 wagon mule car with the S70/2 McLaren engine in it. Rumours suggest it still exists.
keksikuningas
macrumors regular
Can't get the thought of buying a Mk7 / Mk7.5 manual Golf R out of my head. I am trying to find one near me to book a test drive for, really scared that rev hang will be a dealbreaker and make me go with DSG, hopefully rev hang is not as bad as I've heard.
TumbleDryer
macrumors 603
Rev hang is tuned into some cars for emissions. It stops you from getting a rich mixture when coming off throttle which can cause higher emissions.
I have a Cupra 300 Manual (exact same EA888 engine as Golf R) and it's the best driving car I've ever had (once I fitted a stronger dog bone mount). I'd personally never buy a car I hadn't test driven so if you drive one that you think hangs don't buy it.
Also try and get a PreGPF model like mine as you get a bit better sound out the back. Probably more likely to not hang either as obviously the later GPF models were about reducing emissions.
I like the Golfs but with the Seat you get way more kit for less and its quicker round a track because it weighs quite a bit less despite the Golfs better stats. (not that most people track their cars lol). The Golf is a bit dull to drive but the Seat is much more involved and exciting when you proper spank it.
I have a Cupra 300 Manual (exact same EA888 engine as Golf R) and it's the best driving car I've ever had (once I fitted a stronger dog bone mount). I'd personally never buy a car I hadn't test driven so if you drive one that you think hangs don't buy it.
Also try and get a PreGPF model like mine as you get a bit better sound out the back. Probably more likely to not hang either as obviously the later GPF models were about reducing emissions.
I like the Golfs but with the Seat you get way more kit for less and its quicker round a track because it weighs quite a bit less despite the Golfs better stats. (not that most people track their cars lol). The Golf is a bit dull to drive but the Seat is much more involved and exciting when you proper spank it.
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keksikuningas
macrumors regular
Thanks for the tip about GPF. I don't think your Cupra was sold where I live (Finland). I can only find 265 models (i guess GTI equivalent) and it seems it was only sold for 1 year cause all of the models for sale on the used market are 2014. For Golf R I see couple 2017 models at a price I can afford
I am aware why rev hang exists. I even drove a mk6 golf (work car) and it was miserable with the rev hang and the weird heavy clutch (like my diesel toyota), but I was less experienced of a driver and maybe it was just abused by other employees as well.
dannyyankou
macrumors P6
I bought my first car today! 2026 Toyota Camry XLE. I love it. I was previously using my parents’ old 2013 Honda CR-V, so this was quite a nice upgrade. I really like CarPlay.
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