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Yes, most GPS navigation car solutions don't have a compass. Mind you, the accuracy of GPS (~5m or 16 feet) means that most moving vehicles can easily calculate their direction after travelling such a distance. In a car moving at 30mph, this takes 0.36 seconds. If a human being is walking at 3mph (~average human walking speed), this takes 1.14 seconds. Those are theoretical minimum times with a full gps signal and gps unit that is running at infinite operating speeds. If a human being is standing still trying to work out which direction they need to walk in to follow the map, it cannot calculate the direction at all. This is why the magnetometer is so important.

Picture this: You live in or visit a city and you get on a bus or tube and get off somewhere you've never been before. You need to get to somewhere within walking distance. You have the address, you put it into Google Maps and it calculates a route for you. Now. Assuming the sky is overcast and there are tall buildings around you so you cannot use the position of the Sun to determine North from South, which direction do you walk in? Without the magnetometer you have to take a guess and walk in any direction. After a few seconds you can usually work out if you're going in the right direction or not. This has happened to me loads although it usually takes about 10-20 seconds for my dot on the map to have moved enough for me to work out if I'm walking the wrong way or not.

As for the usefulness of the Compass App. Well its mainly a demo to show off the new feature. If you don't use or like it then move it to the last page of your apps. That's what I've already done with the Contacts and Stocks apps. Yes the functionality is largely built into Google Maps now but it still can have an emergency use. I've already got a third party app which tells me my gps location. This can now replace that. What good is it for? Well, imagine you get stuck in the middle of nowhere while on a climbing/walking/anything trip. You've either got no signal and only a two way radio or you've got minimal signal. You can't use Google Maps because it won't connect. How do you tell emergency services where you are? Now there's an app for that. I know the chances of this ever being used are insanely small but I for one like this added functionality. Yes, I'll probably move it to the end of my apps along with the other official ones I don't use but its still there just in case.
 
The benefit of the compass is that it's a step towards "augmented reality" style apps. This would be useful not only for practical navigation style apps in which you can see information popping up about a location by pointing the camera at it, it would also be useful for games.

I can imagine a laser tag style application in which weapons are superimposed on the display and powerups are enabled with the GPS. You see an opponent on screen and shoot him. Pattern matching would register a hit which would disable your opponents weapon- I mean iPhone app- telling him/her of their demise. Kind of like a real life version of Doom.

This sort of ability isn't far off and can only be helped along by the integration of the compass.
 
I have a Garmin Nuci in my VW. I plan on getting the TomTom cradle and app to replace my Garmin Nuvi. I think the compass is going to be a great feature, especially to support apps like TomTom.
 
MOST, in car GPS are removable and therefore have no such features. MOST are tomtoms, which don't have any kind of compass. Speed is simply calculated by distance over time and direction by which way you are moving, NOT which way you are facing. Seriously, get you tomtom out of the car, spin around, the map wont move. It will however face the correct way if you start to move. You can even try and trick it by facing the device away from you.

TomToms are not "in-car navs", they are portable navigation devices. Built-in navigation systems are much more advanced, with compasses, connection to the speedometer, and very accurate GPS. They can do this because cars cost a lot of money and there is plenty of room for the extra hardware. They give it these features so that the user has a better experience and so that the navigation works better.

Im sure SOME but VERY FEW GPS devices have a compass and EVEN LESS have speed sensors! Just not required. Why would you spend money on speed sensors connected to wheels when putting a simple speed calculation in the software is free. Not to mention that GPS speed is actually up to 10% more accurate than a cars speedometer (due to differening wheel sizes and trye pressures on the same car models, not to mention built in tollerences)

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Built-in car navigators don't have wheel sensors, they are connected to the speedometer. This may come as a surprise to you, but things like that are able to be calibrated. The engineers who design the cars and navigation systems know about varying wheels sizes, and they calibrate the speedometer for the varying sizes. Speedometers in late model cars are highly accurate.

Also, tire is spelled tire, not tyre.

You are correct, a compass is not 100% necessary to do turn-by-turn navigation, but it simply makes the user experience MUCH MUCH better.

On the route calculation, i know mine has no compass, but it also calculates routes when there is no signal. It does a best guess on you last location. It will also show you moving through tunnels, its simply guessing based on your route, last speed and last direction. Just clever software!

And with a compass and connection to the speedometer, it wouldn't need to guess. We're talking about built-in navigation that comes with the car. The navigation you'd find in BMWs, Mercedes, Lexus, Acuras, Toyotas, etc. You know, nice cars. Nice cars that are designed and built by people who know what they're doing. I'm not talking about American cars or Australian cars.

In conclusion,
YES, WE KNOW THAT A COMPASS ISN'T 100% NECESSARY FOR TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION, OR FOR FIGURING OUT WHICH DIRECTION IN WHCH YOU'RE GOING. A COMPASS IS A GOOD ADDITION TO A TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION DEVICE BECAUSE IT IMPROVES THE USER EXPERIENCE WITH MORE ACCURATE DIRECTION TRACKING AND MAP ROTATION. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE ARE STILL ARGUING ABOUT THIS.
 
im sorry but is this compass just a App or is there a actually hardware addition in the phone ? If not than why is this not included in 3.0 ?
 
im sorry but is this compass just a App or is there a actually hardware addition in the phone ? If not than why is this not included in 3.0 ?

There is a hardware compass built-in to the 3G S. It's not included in 3.0 because the 3G doesn't have a compass.
 
Agree. I wish Apple would ditch limited use apps like that and the Contacts app and put them on the AppStore for people to download if they choose. I hate not being able to remove the contacts app.

Just move it onto a later app screen that you never go to...?
 
In conclusion,
...E-RAGE...

This never even would have started if you had paid attention to the thread title, i.e. "Compass App". Let's review:

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Is it just me or does the Compass App seem kinda dumb.

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Orienting the map is a welcomed feature. A compass is pretty much a necessity for any turn-by-turn navigation applications.

WTF DOES THE COMPASS APP HAVE TO DO WITH TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION?!
 
This never even would have started if you had paid attention to the thread title, i.e. "Compass App"

WTF DOES THE COMPASS APP HAVE TO DO WITH TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION?!

Ease of use, now even if you arent moving, you the map can orient itself depending on the direction you are facing. Great for pedestrians.
 
Ease of use, now even if you arent moving, you the map can orient itself depending on the direction you are facing. Great for pedestrians.

There's a map in the compass app?

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I'd post a picture of the compass app, but apparently MR has been asked to take them down. I assure you, however, it has no maps, no capability for turn-by-turn directions. It's just a picture of a compass that turns.
 
I finally check in and to my surprise (not) the thread is still going :eek:

and going and going...:rolleyes:
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I never thought I'd see an argument about whether or not a compass is useful for navigation. But, that's why I love MR forums! :D
 
I finally check in and to my surprise (not) the thread is still going :eek:

and going and going...:rolleyes:
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I never thought I'd see an argument about whether or not a compass is useful for navigation. But, that's why I love MR forums! :D

except that was never the argument in the first place. i think we can all agree that a compass is useful for navigation and would improve turn-by-turn navigation.

the only reason this turned into a 4 page thread was because we got into an argument about whether or not a compass was "practically a necessity" for turn-by-turn.
 
(Where's that image The General used?)

What if they stopped along the way? Believe it or not, humans can get disoriented in almost any surrounding including: cities, country, desert, flat farmland, mountains that all look alike (yes, even from paved road), maritime and aviation environments - I think that covers, like, everywhere... The situation you describe is not hypothetical - it happens all the time (well not the abducted and dumped part).
I guess it's a miracle then that humanity has survived this long w/o the population having access to a digital compass + GPS in their pocket. :p

I never thought I'd see an argument about whether or not a compass is useful for navigation. But, that's why I love MR forums! :D
Never, ever underestimate the power of the internet. :D


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Ease of use, now even if you arent moving, you the map can orient itself depending on the direction you are facing. Great for pedestrians.

So are the street signs we've been using for ages! :rolleyes:

The desperate situations you people are coming up with to justify the "miracle" compass app.....hilarious. It's a compass people, get over yourselves.
 
The compass app takes advantage of the built in compass, so do other applications.

Ah, we are getting somewhere! The compass app, however, is useless for turn-by-turn directions. The "other applications" you talk about - GPS naviation, google maps, etc - do use the compass, not the compass app. We are talking about the compass app. Read the thread title.

I understand it may be difficult for most as it's probably like how people use "there" for "their" and "your" for "you're", but together we can get through this. Now, let's go back to what you said:
 
As hard as it is to believe, there have been several times where the compass app would have been useful for me outside of navigation.

Just off the top of my head, I can think of a couple:

1. aligning my satellite dish
2. setting up a telescope motorized mount

I'm sure there are a lot more. So, no, it's not "kind of dumb".
 
Ah, we are getting somewhere! The compass app, however, is useless for turn-by-turn directions. The "other applications" you talk about - GPS naviation, google maps, etc - do use the compass, not the compass app. We are talking about the compass app. Read the thread title.

But the thread then evolved to talking about compasses in general.
 
Also, tire is spelled tire, not tyre.

Not in the UK its not...tyre is correct

You don't need a compass for GPS... it would be handy for google maps on foot however as on the few occasions I've used google maps if I'm half way down a street with no road signs you have to walk about a minute to see which direction your going... not the end of the world but built in compass would help.
 
I just read over these 5 pages and cant believe people are complaining about the compass. Its going to help you on everything the general has been saying. If your not gonna use then dont but it doesn't hurt to have it in the phone.
 
And personally I don't understand why it is such a big deal to have one more app on your iphone. I have 6 pages of apps, what's one more?
 
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