If the LG is not offered in glossy, then it is a clear decision for the Kuycon G32P. All others 6K Displays are crap!
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Same...I already pre-ordered the Asus via B&H, but held out hope the LG would be available before the Asus shipped with a glossy screen, 120hz, and sub 2k. If those had been met, I'd cancel the preorder. Doesn't seem like it!
The Kuycon seems like the perfect alternative to the Asus, I just can't get over the risk of surprise tariffs (post Aug 29th when deminimus exception is potentially gone) or support headaches. Though no guarantees Asus support would be top notch I guess!
Why would LG use the same display as the Dell, when they manufacture their own screens? The Dell does not use an LG, does it?
EDIT: Okay, I see now LG does make the Dell display. Surprised it is the same panel if true since the Dell came out so long ago...
tftcentral.co.uk
EDIT: Okay, I see now LG does make the Dell display. Surprised it is the same panel if true since the Dell came out so long ago...
Dell UltraSharp U3224KB with 6K Resolution, IPS Black Panel and DisplayPort 2.1 - TFTCentral
Share this contentDell are today announcing the “World’s first 6K monitor” with their new 31.5″ UltraSharp U3224KB display with a massive 6144 x 3456 resolution. The screen also features IPS....[click link for more]
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Same here, pre-ordered just to secure a quick delivery but was hoping I'd cancel for the LG but now I don't see why I would.
Another point concerning support in favor of the Asus over Kuycon for Europeans customers: 2 years legal warranty, and if you buy from Amazon you're sure that for 2 years if you have any problem with it Amazon will take it back and refund you immediately without having to deal with Asus directly.
Seems like LG stopped selling their UltraFine monitors made for macOS after Studio Display or XDR was released so maybe they had some kind of deal with Apple that expired and now they can make their own LG branded monitors again?Why would LG use the same display as the Dell, when they manufacture their own screens? The Dell does not use an LG, does it?
EDIT: Okay, I see now LG does make the Dell display. Surprised it is the same panel if true since the Dell came out so long ago...
Dell UltraSharp U3224KB with 6K Resolution, IPS Black Panel and DisplayPort 2.1 - TFTCentral
Share this contentDell are today announcing the “World’s first 6K monitor” with their new 31.5″ UltraSharp U3224KB display with a massive 6144 x 3456 resolution. The screen also features IPS....[click link for more]
I’m looking for a 32-inch 6K monitor and would love to see a side-by-side comparison of the Asus, LG, and Kuycon G32P. From what I can tell, Asus seems like the best option so far—does that sound right?
after tax and shipping
Asus: ~$1,530
LG: unknown so far
Kuycon: $1,884
after tax and shipping
Asus: ~$1,530
LG: unknown so far
Kuycon: $1,884
If you want best display quality then Kuycon G32P ist on the 1st place.
The Kuycon is the same LG Display panel. I think probably they list it as “500 nits” because the glass is not matte like the others (“450 nits”).Why would LG use the same display as the Dell, when they manufacture their own screens? The Dell does not use an LG, does it?
EDIT: Okay, I see now LG does make the Dell display. Surprised it is the same panel if true since the Dell came out so long ago...
Dell UltraSharp U3224KB with 6K Resolution, IPS Black Panel and DisplayPort 2.1 - TFTCentral
Share this contentDell are today announcing the “World’s first 6K monitor” with their new 31.5″ UltraSharp U3224KB display with a massive 6144 x 3456 resolution. The screen also features IPS....[click link for more]
LG holds a majority stake in LG Display,* but they’re not the same entity.
This pattern is similar to 2014-2016, when Dell pioneered the first 5K display, using a true 10-bit LG Display panel, which was also used in the late 2014 and 2015 iMac(s) 5K. Then, in 2016, LG launched the UltraFine 5K with an improved (brighter) panel which was 8-bit + FRC, produced and marketed via a business partnership with Apple. Dell discontinued the original true 10-bit in 2016, and the 2017 iMac 5K adopted the improved (brighter, but 8-bit + FRC) panel, which continued on in iterations all to the way to the 2022 Studio Display.
So, again, Dell led the way in 2023, the first to use this LG Display IPS Black 6K panel. [Apple was again involved, but only tangentially, sourcing the original Retina 6K panel from LG Display in 2019.] Now, two years later, LG is launching the UltraFine 6K with apparently the same basic panel, even though they call it “Nano IPS Black” — although really we won’t know until LG releases the full specs. But it seems clear this is *not* IPS Black 2.0. So history isn’t quite repeating itself, but there are similarities.
* A side note to this history is Philips. LG Display began as a joint venture, LG Philips LCD, in 1999, between equal partners. Philips sold their stake to LG in 2008-2009. In 2014-2015, while Dell and HP used the 10-bit 5K panel from LG Display, Philips sourced their 10-bit 5K panel from Samsung Display. See the “discontinued” section at the bottom of the 27" 5K WikiPost.
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LG only stopped distributing the UltraFine 5K this year. The partnership with Apple ended when the Studio Display launched in 2022, but it was not discontinued until June or July this year.
There might have been some kind of exclusivity deal with Apple in 2019, but that must have ended by 2023 when the Dell 6K launched with a new panel sourced from LG Display. I’ve always wondered if the slight difference in resolution was forced somehow by the 2019 deal with Apple? Probably not, but maybe?
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@PaulD-UK or @DavidSchaub (or anyone else) — One notable aspect of this that I don’t understand is the lack of “HDR600” in both the Kuycon G27P and Geekon Design 32 specs/marketing. The Dell and the LG are both VESA-certified for DisplayHDR 600. Normally, Chinese manufacturers would just say “HDR600” but in this case they don’t. Why?
Is it because the video and I/O boards they’ve adapted have some limitation?
@tenthousandthings
The generic video boards in all the Chinese brands appear to be based on simple reference board designs by MediaTek or RealTek, who make the main video scaler chips.
The chipsets come with a SDK that comes with a set of simple reference firmware options.
This seems to include a basic 'HDR10' option, which allows the boards to function in 'HDR mode' despite the fact that the monitor panel's hardware limitations may not meet the requirements for 'HDR' performance.
HDR10 stems from a 2015 trade agreement, but HDR600 is one of the official VESA standards, and presumably to be certified 'HDR400/600/1000 requires some sort of official process of compliance with these standards.
That process of software development - to write compliant firmware and software drivers - is presumably what takes the (sometimes extended) time for the big brands to bring their final product to market.
I don't see any signs that the internal Chinese monitor market even bothers to attempt to go through this process, although I think Kuycon are a step above the generic 'Geekon' manufacturers.
Kuycon seems to be attempting to match the big global brands in tailoring their monitors with appropriate bespoke hardward/software development, for a better quality end product.
But I suspect that, for the Mac market, their regard for the necessity of HDR600 matches Apple's for the ASD...
That may change (for Apple) in 2026?
Quote: @tenthousandthings "Dell pioneered the first 5K display, using a true 10-bit LG Display panel, which was also used in the late 2014 and 2015 iMac(s) 5K."
The Dell UP2715K panel is described as 'true 10 bit 5K', but the 2014 iMacs LG LM270QQ1 SD(A1/2/3) panels are only 8 bit 16 million colours.
From late-2015 onwards the iMac panels (B1-F1), like the LG Ultrafine 5K, are 8 bits + FRC 1.07 billion colours.
The generic video boards in all the Chinese brands appear to be based on simple reference board designs by MediaTek or RealTek, who make the main video scaler chips.
The chipsets come with a SDK that comes with a set of simple reference firmware options.
This seems to include a basic 'HDR10' option, which allows the boards to function in 'HDR mode' despite the fact that the monitor panel's hardware limitations may not meet the requirements for 'HDR' performance.
HDR10 stems from a 2015 trade agreement, but HDR600 is one of the official VESA standards, and presumably to be certified 'HDR400/600/1000 requires some sort of official process of compliance with these standards.
That process of software development - to write compliant firmware and software drivers - is presumably what takes the (sometimes extended) time for the big brands to bring their final product to market.
I don't see any signs that the internal Chinese monitor market even bothers to attempt to go through this process, although I think Kuycon are a step above the generic 'Geekon' manufacturers.
Kuycon seems to be attempting to match the big global brands in tailoring their monitors with appropriate bespoke hardward/software development, for a better quality end product.
But I suspect that, for the Mac market, their regard for the necessity of HDR600 matches Apple's for the ASD...
That may change (for Apple) in 2026?
Quote: @tenthousandthings "Dell pioneered the first 5K display, using a true 10-bit LG Display panel, which was also used in the late 2014 and 2015 iMac(s) 5K."
The Dell UP2715K panel is described as 'true 10 bit 5K', but the 2014 iMacs LG LM270QQ1 SD(A1/2/3) panels are only 8 bit 16 million colours.
From late-2015 onwards the iMac panels (B1-F1), like the LG Ultrafine 5K, are 8 bits + FRC 1.07 billion colours.
HDR600 requires certification. I would not expect those two monitors to have good HDR support if they cannot get certified. For non-thunderbolt monitors, you'd probably have to connect using HDMI in order to get enough bandwidth to do 6K HDR.
No, that term is used to mean 600 nits peak in HDR mode. You see it used by Samsung, for example, and widely in China. “HDR600” and “HDR1000” are the most common. But they don’t require certification, because they are undefined — they aren’t shorthand for “DisplayHDR 600” and “DisplayHDR 1000” — see my post #91 below for more on this.
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I’m sitting on a beach, but I’m not sure you’re right about the early 5K iMacs. I’ll look it up later…
@tenthousandthings
Enjoy the beach…
“LM270QQ1-SDA2 Optical Details
Basic Info :
Display Mode IPS, Normally Black,
Transmissive Brightness 440 cd/m² (Typ.)
Contrast Ratio 1200:1
Color Performance :
Display Colors 16.7M (8-bit)…”
But they do say the full datasheet is behind a paywall.
www.panelook.com
Enjoy the beach…
“LM270QQ1-SDA2 Optical Details
Basic Info :
Display Mode IPS, Normally Black,
Transmissive Brightness 440 cd/m² (Typ.)
Contrast Ratio 1200:1
Color Performance :
Display Colors 16.7M (8-bit)…”
But they do say the full datasheet is behind a paywall.
104.219.172.33 - Please verify yourself to continue
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“DisplayHDR” is the VESA performance specification — the name is expressly intended to differentiate it from the undefined “HDR” — see here, from VESA itself:
What’s the difference between HDR10, HDR-1000, and DisplayHDR 1000?
“The next question, or confusion, that we often see is when people compare HDR-600 and DisplayHDR 600, or HDR-1000 and DisplayHDR 1000. Are these the same thing? The answer is no, […] HDR-600 and HDR-1000 are undefined specs. What does that actually mean?
One might assume that HDR-600 means that a display would be able to handle an HDR signal and some part of the screen would be able to achieve 600 cd/m2luminance levels. However, do you know how much of the screen? Do you know the test patterns? Do you know how long the display is required to display at this level before power or thermal regulation kicks in and reduces the luminance level? No, you don’t. No one does. HDR-600 and HDR-1000 are undefined specs. Nothing about the testing methodology is disclosed, and so it’s impossible to really know what they mean. Further, do they indicate the color gamut coverage, or the black level of the HDR dimming, the speed of response time for the HDR dimming, or the accuracy of the luminance and color output from the display? Again, the answer is no – there is no definition at all.”
The basic problem is that *both* the Dell UP2715K [See LCD Tech] and the 2014-mid 2015 iMacs use the LG Display LM270QQ1 SD(A1/2/3) panel.
So what gives? Maybe the answer is somewhere around here:
I’ve linked to the contemporary October 2015 MR post about it for fun, but it’s the Mac & I article in German from a reliable source that matters here. The key point for our purposes is the fact that the new color gamut was retroactive to the 2014 and mid-2015 iMacs. It was introduced in the late 2015 Retina iMacs (both 4K and 5K), but it was not exclusive to them — the earlier iterations of LM270QQ1 also supported it.
Unfortunately, this does not entirely answer the question, because both Dell and HP are quite clear about their 5K displays being “true 10-bit” as opposed to Apple’s later “8-bit + FRC” in the iMac(s).
I don’t know, but I imagine the answer is technical, and the panels are capable of doing both. LG Display pioneered AH-IPS (Advanced High Performance In-Plane Switching) in mobile phones, so, by 2014, when they began asking the question “Why Natural Color?” for desktop monitors, the tech was relatively mature.
Finally, we have one other item that can serve as a point of reference: Apple’s claim in 2017 that the new iMac 5K at 500 nits was “43% brighter” than the previous 5K iMacs. So that’s about 350 nits for them. What we know of the specs for the pre-2016 LM270QQ1 panels all cite 440 nits, but the Dell specs also give only 350 nits. So that lines up. The panel specs don’t seem to tell the whole story.
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I messaged Geekon about the Hero 32 monitor and they told me it would be shipping at the end of Sept. Hopefully then it will be possible to get more information about the monitor.
This article says LG's 6K Ultrafine is appearing at some European retailers for 1500 Euros. Also confirms matte screens, and uses a different panel than the Asus. (Note this webpage causes some kind of error that keeps refreshing it -- I had to switch to Reader view to read it.)
www.flatpanelshd.com
Asus and LG launch 6K LCD monitors with Thunderbolt 4 or 5
It is not the same panel
www.flatpanelshd.com
Check on displayspecifications.com or panelook.com, for example the Asus 6K is supposedly this one:
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Not counting the Pro Display XDR panel, there are three in production, all 31.5" visible:
~ LG Display (Korea) LM315STA (SS) (A1)* = Dell, Kuycon, Geekon Design 32, LG
~ AUO (Taiwan) M315WAN01.0 CELL = ASUS, Acer
~ BOE (China) = Geekon Hero 32
* The LG Display panel probably has more than one part number by now, if the 5K past is any guide. So the new LG display may be (A2) or even (A3) or (B1) at this point. But (as I understand it) it should be considered the same panel until the base part number "LM315STA" changes.
