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I've tried everything I could ever scrounge up; all the big name browsers, the lesser known but still-with-a-fanbase browsers, and even those one or two-off browsers some beginner coder made as a test project. In the past, I've been able to find a browser that worked well for all my needs; as time has passed, I've had to migrate to other browsers that are smaller, with less features and less compatibility. I've honestly reached the point where no single browser can adequately meet my expectations. Sure, I could use two or more taking advantage of each iterations strengths, but that is the point in which it has become more hassle than it is worth to deal with.

I have come to accept that this particular facet of my eMac's life is now, for the most part, over with. A hard thing to swallow, at least for me. But I understand that us PPC users have been left behind in nearly every way, and things aren't going to get any better. To try and deny that, web experience at the least, isn't growing harder to cope with would be foolish. I very much appreciate these few developers efforts to keep PPC a viable internet machine, but try as they might, they've never truly achieved making the PPC internet experience better; only slowed its decline.

For some upper-end PowerMac/PowerBook G4's and I would assume most if not all the G5's, I'm willing to bet that they still have the power to maintain a very usable and pleasant experience, and may continue to do so for quite some time. But, their day will come sooner or later. It's best to enioy these magnificent machines while we still can, in whatever ways we can. :)

May I just ask Cassie, what computer will you be leaving your emac for. I understand how hard it must be for you to swallow that you may soon need to leave your emac as your main do it all machine.
 
Powerpc- well can i only say that no matter what CPU is inside the box and no matter what speed that it runs at, if the machine does the job well that you originally purchased it for then why do you need to buy a new one.

Sometime we get obsessed with program updates and new versions that we do not really need as they have features that we never use or security fixes that we do need as the machine is an independent machine not connected to any network etc.

So if you purchased software for the computer that is still useful to you then use it, if not then give the machine another task that it can do.
 

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My old iMac G3 is the only 90s relic remaining, not sure why I still keep it around... maybe it just makes a spiffy hiding spot for my cat to sit on or it reminds me of the wasted hours playing Nanosaur, SimEarth, SimCity 2000 & Spaceward Ho :rolleyes:

I'm only sticking with G4 based systems for a handful of non-Universal applications or rare need for Classic(OS9) support, late generation G5 Macs suffered lots of quality control issues from leaking liquid cooling(PMG5) to bad capacitors of the iMac G5. Most pre-liquid cooled G5s typically have worse specs in my experience, often I only seem to find AGP models with GeForce 5200 or Radeon X850 XT.
While pre-Lion Macs which support Rosetta can be useful vs wasting space for a G4, some applications can only handle Tiger(2007 and earlier Intel Macs) as certain changes in Leopard/Snow Leopard are somewhat problematic due to under-the-hood changes of OS X.

As for those wanting an underdog processor, try ARM based computing such as the RaspPi, Beagle Board and later this year Adapteva Parallella(1Ghz dual-core Zynq 7020 with 16/64-core Epiphany co-processor and 1GB of DDR3L RAM). Personally I backed Adapteva Kickstarter as the OpenCL support of the Epiphany will be useful for crunching tasks.

Well, in general AMD CPUs aren't as fast as their Intel counter-parts.

However, they have better integrated GPUs, most can manage power better (But Haswell will be out soon, so we'll see), most have more cores and they are also cheaper too.

IMHO I prefer Intel for their better computing-power and Haswell will be bringing better integrated GPUs and less power-consumption which will bring Intel to a better footing against AMD in those areas.

If you've suffered some of the IGP issues with Intel quickly EOL-ing driver support with many pre-existing resolution/graphical glitches unfixed, Haswell IGP may look great on paper but a GPU is only as good as the driver support. Ivy Bridge suffers some of the weird issues via HDMI with certain TVs/monitors like Sandy Bridge, bad enough it took Intel weeks to resolve the random static/snow issues which impacted the 2012 Mac mini. Also some KVMs don't play well with Intel IGP, if you reboot there is a risk of losing the previous resolution(impacts Win/OS X/Linux/BSD).

AMD on the other hand supports their IGPs on par with their dGPUs, heck nVidia still offers surprising driver performance tweaks to 8-series GPUs--an old Thinkpad T61(Quadro NVS 140M) has a native Win8 driver(performance driver & CAD optimized driver) so video acceleration is smooth as butter, can't say the same for those with Intel X3100 :eek: I have a T61 w/X3100 and Vista performance is better than Win7 due to Intel refusing to release updated drivers to run the IGP in "performance mode"(Win7 gets stuck in "balanced") and I heard Win8 is even worse :mad:
 
Most pre-liquid cooled G5s typically have worse specs in my experience, often I only seem to find AGP models with GeForce 5200 or Radeon X850 XT.

What's wrong with the X850? It's one of the most powerful AGP cards for a Mac and the most powerful for a ADC display.
 
If you've suffered some of the IGP issues with Intel quickly EOL-ing driver support with many pre-existing resolution/graphical glitches unfixed, Haswell IGP may look great on paper but a GPU is only as good as the driver support. Ivy Bridge suffers some of the weird issues via HDMI with certain TVs/monitors like Sandy Bridge, bad enough it took Intel weeks to resolve the random static/snow issues which impacted the 2012 Mac mini. Also some KVMs don't play well with Intel IGP, if you reboot there is a risk of losing the previous resolution(impacts Win/OS X/Linux/BSD).

AMD on the other hand supports their IGPs on par with their dGPUs, heck nVidia still offers surprising driver performance tweaks to 8-series GPUs--an old Thinkpad T61(Quadro NVS 140M) has a native Win8 driver(performance driver & CAD optimized driver) so video acceleration is smooth as butter, can't say the same for those with Intel X3100 :eek: I have a T61 w/X3100 and Vista performance is better than Win7 due to Intel refusing to release updated drivers to run the IGP in "performance mode"(Win7 gets stuck in "balanced") and I heard Win8 is even worse :mad:

Intel's graphics drivers [for Linux] are open-sourced though. You can guarantee that the community will pick up the project as soon as Intel abandons it.
 
Intel's graphics drivers [for Linux] are open-sourced though. You can guarantee that the community will pick up the project as soon as Intel abandons it.

Yes and Intel's GPUs are now integrated into most of their processor dies so they're more widespread now which can't be ignored support-wise since so many people are using them.
 
Powerpc- well can i only say that no matter what CPU is inside the box and no matter what speed that it runs at, if the machine does the job well that you originally purchased it for then why do you need to buy a new one.

Sometime we get obsessed with program updates and new versions that we do not really need as they have features that we never use or security fixes that we do need as the machine is an independent machine not connected to any network etc.

So if you purchased software for the computer that is still useful to you then use it, if not then give the machine another task that it can do.

Like running office 2008 with the latest updates works for me as well as 2011 on my intel mac.

Skype 2.8 PPC allows me to filetransfer, video,audio call telephones... lol no group video maybe, not sure. But still very little has progressed.... iphoto? what is the major difference? Oh iCloud? Use your iDevice to send pics to iCloud :)
 
Never will. PowerPC is dead.

I am curious though, what am I seeing at Wimbledon all these years?

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When I have to switch to x86 it will be going to AMD. I will also be using linux. I do not want to use a mac that is just an overpriced PC. I loved macs when they were special, when they were different, when apple actually thought different. But now AAPL is more focused on iCrap (iPhone, iPad, iPod) than producing quality computers. Now AMD is the company to switch to after PowerPC macs become too slow for use. With AMD you get to be part of a new rebel CPU architecture. Even though AMD is just a small company, much smaller than intell or nVidia, they can still produce great quality products.
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But AMD aren't as fast as Intel.

AMD is not at all a small company. They own ATI, and build a lot of ARM processors.

Their processors are also definitely not faster than Intel CPUs. It's not like it was 10 years ago, ARM is competing on price, not speed.

AMD is still really struggling with single threaded applications.

This.

AMDs processors suck. I speak from experience. I had one of theirs last year and it took four cores running at 3.1GHz each to compare to a dual core 13" Macbook. Since Intel went to Core, AMD gets demolished unless you're strapped for cash and are building something cheap. Plus, their GPUs are great, but that's *only* because they bought ATI, a company that already knew what they were doing in regards to GPUs, AMD itself doesn't interfere with whatever goes on as far as Radeon development.

They don't suck. Piledriver is doing not bad against Ivy Bridge but it's still a long way to go. AMD is lacking big time raw speed in IPC for single thread performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/697?vs=551
 
Even though it's impractical in a lot of cases, PowerPC machines work for the most part for what you probably would have used them when they were made.

I would expect my iBook Clamshell to be useful for plenty of things, even if they can be done by other computers, until it's pretty much dead.
 
Camino has been discontinued. It was one of the last "modern" browsers available to PPC users and it's another nail in the coffin :-(
 
Camino has been discontinued. It was one of the last "modern" browsers available to PPC users and it's another nail in the coffin :-(

Camino wasn't very modern. TenFourFox is perhaps the most modern browser for PowerPC. It's getting support for new things like plugin free video chatting, other browsers aren't.

I am curious though, what am I seeing at Wimbledon all these years?

You're seeing IBM. One of two notable makers of PowerPC CPUs. Their profit from CPUs is very small and shrinking. They haven't been doing much R&D because of it as well.
 
Camino has been discontinued. It was one of the last "modern" browsers available to PPC users and it's another nail in the coffin :-(

Roccat is pretty, no, very good and a quick info gathering exercise shows the developers are VERY communicative on forums and such.
 
Some of these browsers might have a develop menu when you can choose to open the page you are on in a different browser from a menu.
Does the page open within that same browser window, or completely open a new browser? If the latter, it's really no different then what I am already doing.
May I just ask Cassie, what computer will you be leaving your emac for. I understand how hard it must be for you to swallow that you may soon need to leave your emac as your main do it all machine.
I purchased a black MacBook from eBay a few days ago. Always wanted one, but my PPC Macs were always enough for my day to day usage, and I couldn't justify spending what they were going for at the times I looked at them.

I got a Black C2D, 2.2 GHz/2 GB RAM/160 GB HDD model for $360 shipped. Picking it up at the post office tomorrow morning. I know I won't feel the same way about it as my beloved eMac or other PPC machines, but I made sure that in transitioning to "the dark side", I got a machine I had at least a little love and longing for. ;) We'll see how things go in the morning.
 
I have a Powerbook G4 1.67 ghz DLSD with leopard and guys, this machine worked always good, never had particular problems.
I use it mainly in the music production and music business, daily networking, a little bit of graphic editing and it still work just great even if it's connected to a huge amount of external studio device.
The only thing I miss right now are the speed on some web pages because flash and the Skype over imposing about the cut of video conference on version 2.8, because I can't migrate my Windows users to ichat.
Even if I worked with the latest machines in other environments, the powerpc machine in my opinion are still very good computers and should not been ignored from all the software & hardware brands.
Fortunately there are still exceptions, because we are still a big percentage of PPC users in the world.
 
Does the page open within that same browser window, or completely open a new browser? If the latter, it's really no different then what I am already doing.

I purchased a black MacBook from eBay a few days ago. Always wanted one, but my PPC Macs were always enough for my day to day usage, and I couldn't justify spending what they were going for at the times I looked at them.

I got a Black C2D, 2.2 GHz/2 GB RAM/160 GB HDD model for $360 shipped. Picking it up at the post office tomorrow morning. I know I won't feel the same way about it as my beloved eMac or other PPC machines, but I made sure that in transitioning to "the dark side", I got a machine I had at least a little love and longing for. ;) We'll see how things go in the morning.

Congratulations on your purchase on that Black MB. I have one too, though it was beautiful and can run lion, it does not receive much love and use compared to my G5 quad.
 
I have a Powerbook G4 1.67 ghz DLSD with leopard and guys, this machine worked always good, never had particular problems.
I use it mainly in the music production and music business, daily networking, a little bit of graphic editing and it still work just great even if it's connected to a huge amount of external studio device.
The only thing I miss right now are the speed on some web pages because flash and the Skype over imposing about the cut of video conference on version 2.8, because I can't migrate my Windows users to ichat.
Even if I worked with the latest machines in other environments, the powerpc machine in my opinion are still very good computers and should not been ignored from all the software & hardware brands.
Fortunately there are still exceptions, because we are still a big percentage of PPC users in the world.

Which DAW / plugins are you using?
 
Does the page open within that same browser window, or completely open a new browser? If the latter, it's really no different then what I am already doing.

It opens a new browser. However, it just automates the process. All you have to do is navigate to Develop > Open Page With > and choose the browser you want from a list that is automatically populated with all of the browsers on your computer. None of that gruesome copying and pasting URLs and none of the brutal exertion of searching for a certain browser.
 
Which DAW / plugins are you using?

I mainly use the all Logic suite so Logic Pro 8, Mainstage, Waveburner, Soubdtrack Pro and than Sibelius First 6, Amazing Slow Downer, several Motu interface, the 4pre, the microlite, some other plugin as Ez Drummer, Lounge Lizzard Session, Ultra Analog Session, Reason Adapted plus some other stuff..
 
Camino has been discontinued. It was one of the last "modern" browsers available to PPC users and it's another nail in the coffin :-(

Camino was done a long time ago, and was easily displaced by TenFourFox and Aurora. Even OS 9 has a halfway modern browser in Classilla, although it has a long way to go.
 
This is because the other end is using a version of Skype under 6.2 - I read on Skype's website that if one is using on a PC Skype 6.2 or higher, then video chat is cut off on the PowerPC end.. The same I think holds true for the Mac side.

Again, someone has to try it on the mac side to be sure.. but for the Windows side, if the version is 6.2 >, then expect no more video calls on PowerPC end.



Strange, I've made video calls today. In fact one to a PC and another to an iPhone, no problems....
 
This is because the other end is using a version of Skype under 6.2 - I read on Skype's website that if one is using on a PC Skype 6.2 or higher, then video chat is cut off on the PowerPC end.. The same I think holds true for the Mac side.

Again, someone has to try it on the mac side to be sure.. but for the Windows side, if the version is 6.2 >, then expect no more video calls on PowerPC end.
So, then the lock out of PowerPC is software based and dependent on the use of a version higher than 6.2.

That leads me to believe that cutting off PowerPC at the protocol level is either too difficult, time consuming or just not worth the time and effort. Considering that most of the people I converse with have PowerPC Macs and/or do not update much if at all, video calls with PowerPC is still doable with Skype.
 
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