The end of Safari???

[aross99]

After using Safari I can't use anything else. Nothing is integrated into OS X better than Safari. Firefox doesn't use the Apple Dictionary and has a sub par looking Aqua theme.

This about sums it up for me.

Why wouldn't I want to use the Browser Apple provides - especially when it is faster?

I just don't get the appeal of Firefox I guess. I used to use it on Windows - simply because it was better than IE. Now I use Safari on Windows at work, just to keep a uniform browsing experience across OS's...

 

[hmorris]

Actually Firefox on OSX doesn't support full screen yet, Opera is the only major browsers on OSX that can do full screen.

When I said full screen I meant that the screen takes up the whole screen when you click the green plus button in the corner

 

[clevin]

If you type a domain in the address bar and hit enter, it searches for it instead of trying to add .com and going directly to the site. It does not render sites as fast and I dont like how it handles downloads, esp. pdfs (yes I know there is an addon, but it still downloads the pdf, even though I just want to read it.)

press cmd+enter will add .com or you can turn off search in about:config

I personally find firefox's behavior better, there are much .net .org. .gov .edu website out there, just type domain will get you nothing in safari.

Not to mention with firefox 3 's awesomebar, I more and more type more than one words, safari' url bar are too pale to use now.

no, the inline quartz-pdf addon will not download the pdf,

just to keep a uniform browsing experience across OS's...

vice versa.

 

[hmorris]

If you type a domain in the address bar and hit enter, it searches for it instead of trying to add .com and going directly to the site. It does not render sites as fast nand I dont like how it handles downloads, esp. pdfs (yes I know there is an addon, but it still downloads the pdf, even though I just want to read it.)

there is an addon that enables u to just read the pdf. r u really to lazy to add .com to the end of ur search. As i've said b4 firefox is much faster than safari

press cmd+enter will add .com or you can turn off search in about:config

thats cool i never knew u could do the .com thing thanks!

 

[r.j.s]

press cmd+enter will add .com or you can turn off search in about:config

no, the inline quartz-pdf addon will not download the pdf,

I dont want to press cmd enter, i want to press enter. You helped me with this a few weeks ago, but the fix only lasted for a day or so. I decided it's easier to go back to safari.

As for the second part, tell me why I had a ton of pdfs in my downloads folder, ones I chose to open.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

it doesn't matter how many times you repeat a lie, it won't become truth.
Its laughable, Do you even know anything about web standard? What is "fully" compliant? do you even have any idea how many standard and how many individual items out there?

Its time for thee type of false statements to stop. I would be glad to open a web standard compliant thread if you want these type of thing.

you can like whatever browser you like for whatever reason, just don't spread lies around.

Actually Firefox on OSX doesn't support full screen yet, Opera is the only major browsers on OSX that can do full screen.


Firefox 3 for mac is written in cocoa.

Webkit doesn't offer many fundamental features firefox does, and its already 150% the size of firefox.

And I doubt firefox's OSX market share can increase substantially just by doing what you suggested. how much markethare does Omniweb, shiira have? Safari has bigger share is mostly because of system bundling, its simple. Just like IE still has 70+% shares, not because its specially good, but because its pre-installed by default.

Considering that Firefox still doesn't display 'google.com' correctly (buttons are off by a pixel or two, no big deal, but shows the attention to detail of the gecko engine) I'd say it's not very standard compliant. Standards are the way that the majority of webpages are written and how they are meant to be displayed. If Firefox still can't get Google right (I'm too lazy right now to look for other pages that it screws up) then I'd say it's not very standard compliant.

I'd like to see you post some independent researcher results in which Firefox is faster than safari.


Omniweb and Shiira aren't really contenders in the market share game, considering Shiira just came out of beta (or is it still in?) and Omniweb is shareware ($19 right?)

OP: Firefox doesn't have resizable textboxes by default

 

[clevin]

I dont want to press cmd enter, i want to press enter. You helped me with this a few weeks ago, but the fix only lasted for a day or so. I decided it's easier to go back to safari.

As for the second part, tell me why I had a ton of pdfs in my downloads folder, ones I chose to open.

if you have quartz-pdf addon, it won't even ask you to "download or open" in the first place.

Considering that Firefox still doesn't display 'google.com' correctly (buttons are off by a pixel or two, no big deal, but shows the attention to detail of the gecko engine) I'd say it's not very standard compliant. Standards are the way that the majority of webpages are written and how they are meant to be displayed. If Firefox still can't get Google right (I'm too lazy right now to look for other pages that it screws up) then I'd say it's not very standard compliant.

At least I got your definition of "web standard". I guess some people just like to define terms randomly. Not much to argue here.

I'd like to see you post some independent researcher results in which Firefox is faster than safari.

Im pretty sure ars technica, zdnet are independent

Omniweb and Shiira aren't really contenders in the market share game, considering Shiira just came out of beta (or is it still in?) and Omniweb is shareware ($19 right?)

shiira have been out of beta for years.

OP: Firefox doesn't have resizable textboxes by default

how important! Netscape 9 has resizable texboxes by default. years ago.

not to mention resizzble textbox has been an addon for firefox, three years before safari has it. (I still don't use the term "photocopy", and I would like everybody to stop using it, OT, but nonetheless)

 

[hmorris]

search bar

Another cool thing about firefox is that let's say u go on a website and the topic is "The end of Safari???" instead of putting in forums.macrumours etc u can just search the end of safari and it will pop up in your search bar!

 

[r.j.s]

there is an addon that enables u to just read the pdf. r u really to lazy to add .com to the end of ur search. As i've said b4 firefox is much faster than safari

See my post about pdfs in my downloads folder. I have the addon, but I shouldn't need to install anything to view pdfs in a browser window.

Having it guess the .com isn't lazy, its a usability feature.

In my experiences, Safari renders faster, these arent scientific test, just my observations, since I do have both installed.

 

[hmorris]

Considering that Firefox still doesn't display 'google.com' correctly (buttons are off by a pixel or two, no big deal, but shows the attention to detail of the gecko engine) I'd say it's not very standard compliant. Standards are the way that the majority of webpages are written and how they are meant to be displayed. If Firefox still can't get Google right (I'm too lazy right now to look for other pages that it screws up) then I'd say it's not very standard compliant.

I'd like to see you post some independent researcher results in which Firefox is faster than safari.


Omniweb and Shiira aren't really contenders in the market share game, considering Shiira just came out of beta (or is it still in?) and Omniweb is shareware ($19 right?)

OP: Firefox doesn't have resizable textboxes by default

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1650 bam!

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

press cmd+enter will add .com or you can turn off search in about:config

Ever think that people don't want to endlessly configure their browser? As for your statement about .net, .edu, etc. sure there are many of those sites, but how often does someone at home, who isn't searching for a database, or a government document come across those? I haven't 'accidentally' run into any site like that for a while, everything is usually .com and if it isn't (craigslist, wikipedia for example) one is usually aware that they don't end in .com, but rather .org.


EDIT:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1650 bam!

you're comparing an out of date version of safari to an out of date version of firefox in an out of date article from a site sponsored by Mozilla? Come on, you can do better than that.

 

[r.j.s]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1650 bam!

How about the actual release version, not a beta.

 

[hmorris]

How about the actual release version, not a beta.

im pretty sure the realease version would be about the same or better....

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1650 bam!

im pretty sure the realease version would be about the same or better....

That doesn't change the fact that the site is sponsored by Mozilla.

 

[hmorris]

That doesn't change the fact that the site is sponsored by Mozilla.

how do u figure that?

 

[clevin]

Ever think that people don't want to endlessly configure their browser? As for your statement about .net, .edu, etc. sure there are many of those sites, but how often does someone at home, who isn't searching for a database, or a government document come across those? I haven't 'accidentally' run into any site like that for a while, everything is usually .com and if it isn't (craigslist, wikipedia for example) one is usually aware that they don't end in .com, but rather .org.

how often? do you or I, in the position to generalize for individuals? Did I say "personally" in my previous post?

you're comparing an out of date version of safari to an out of date version of firefox in an out of date article from a site sponsored by Mozilla? Come on, you can do better than that.

there are comparisons of released versions.

zdnet is sponsored by mozilla? How about apple's benchmark app is written by itself?

are macrumors, macdailynews, roughlydrafted, mactips, sponsored by apple?

how do u figure that?

because the site dare to say firefox is better.

 

[mrkgoo]

is firefox 3 colour profile aware yet?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

how often? do you or I, in the position to generalize for individuals? Did I say "personally" in my previous post?

Would you agree that the vast majority of websites the average user would navigate to are .com

because the site dare to say firefox is better.

Why not search 'firefox' in the site's search field before you make such assertions?

 

[clevin]

is firefox 3 colour profile aware yet?

its off by default, you need to goto about:config and double click to change the value of gfx.color_management.enabled to true

Somebody said its too difficult to do these changes. I guess you can try for yourself.

Would you agree that the vast majority of websites the average user would navigate to are .com

sure, why not, but remember, with .com websites, in most cases, just typing in domain name in firefox 3 will also get you to that website. it doesn't add ".com" automatically,, but it does google feeling luck search.

Good or bad? try for yourself.

Why not search 'firefox' in the site's search field before you make such assertions?

so more entries means its sponsored by mozilla? and firefox can't be good? and anybody who praise it, must be sponsored by mozilla? so I guess you are actually answering my questions, macdailynews, macrumors, mactips, appleinsiders, macfixit, version tracker, macupdates are indeed sponsored by apple.

 

[r.j.s]

its off by default, you need to goto about:config and double click to change the value of gfx.color_management.enabled to true

Somebody said its too difficult to do these changes. I guess you can try for yourself.

It's not difficult, but it is not something the average user should have to do in order for their browser to work properly

 

[clevin]

It's not difficult, but it is not something the average user should have to do in order for their browser to work properly

that would have to depend on what do you mean by "properly".

I consider remembering more than one pair of usernames/passwords on a webpage is "proper" function. safari doesn't do that

Other "proper" functions of a browser that safari doesn't do by default, or doen't do at all.

do NOT automatically open downloaded files.

give me a choice when I click a download link, I want to save different files in different folders.

do not give me popups asking to remember passwords when i type in a username, password, I m not that sure I got the correct passwords, give me a notification bar, so I can be sure the password is correct before I let browser to remember it.

give me reasonable usable download manager. com'on, safari's download manager can't even pause/resume??

anti-phishing measures. US users lost 2billion on this in past two years, OSX users falls at same rate a windows users.

more to come if anybody is interested.

Finally to OP, before I goto bed...

NO, safari will not end, webkit is an open source engine, and it has great root within KDE community, it has many advantages on OSX platform as well. It is also pre-installed on every Mac, it would not and should not end. Firefox 3 i a great improvement over firefox 2 on OSX platform, but it can do, and should do better, and there are many stuff It can learn from safari. and vice versa.

As of now, none is perfect. Each individual user should try both of them and figure out which one fit them better. and Nobody,, I repreat, Nobody, can make a grant statement and cover every users.

 

[Sorkvild]

Another cool thing about firefox is that let's say u go on a website and the topic is "The end of Safari???" instead of putting in forums.macrumours etc u can just search the end of safari and it will pop up in your search bar!

Cool but Safari has been able to do that with Spotlight since last year!

 

[eXan]

I don't get why everyone keeps saying that firefox is ugly. If u want it to look like safari then u can get a theme of safari. That proves how gr8 open sourcing and add-ons are. RSS is not useless at all instead of checking a website everyday u can go to the RSS feed and check if there is any new content if there is then u can go to the website and read it. This is especially gr8 for ppl with slow internet because thay won't have to load the website each time!!

About appearance: read.

About RSS, I use Mail for that.

 

[clevin]

Cool but Safari has been able to do that with Spotlight since last year!

awesomebar's search function is much more than what spotlight provided, plus I m not sure how many people want to use safari that way. when you want to goto a website, instead of typing in browser's urlbar, you type in spotlight?

 

[mad jew]

Open source means there are more people involved to **** it up.