The end of Safari???

[savar]

Safari *is* open

I never browse the web full screen, bookmarks work the same and add-ons are mostly just useless bloat, and unless you are a developer, open-source is overrated, especially in this case because Safari is free.

Safari is [mostly] open source. All of the heavy lifting is done in WebKit and JavascriptCore -- both of which are LGPL'ed.

I couldn't do my job without the addons. I find them immensely useful. Safari actually has a plugin architecture, it's just not quite as easy to use. If you've ever seen 1Password, that has a Safari plugin. Also there's a "Speed Download" program that is a Safari plugin.

If they added support for Firefox plugins then I would continue to use Safari without hesitation. Right now I use Firefox (on windows) at work, and use Safari at home; each one has features that I like that the other doesn't.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Another place firefox fails at web standards

 

[Aronnax]

Oh, and Safari does load pages faster. Just that it seems slower. Just take a look at macrumors guide on speeding up safari and look also on the explanation why safari seems slower than gecko based browsers here

http://webkit.org/blog/94/amusing/

 

[sanPietro98]

Firefox doesn't support Multi-Touch! I can never go back to browsing without multi-touch! You can't make me!

 

[Aronnax]

Firefox doesn't support Multi-Touch! I can never go back to browsing without multi-touch! You can't make me!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/447365/

 

[sanPietro98]

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/447365/

I tried it. MultiClutch isn't quite ready for prime-time. But I also hate adding these OS "extras" to my computer to support what Safari does natively.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Firefox: Great on Windows, lousy on OSX

The Gecko engine scrolls extremely poor on OSX. Just try scrolling ESPN.com without laughing. Safari + Saft is the only viable solution on OSX.

Mind you, I love Firefox. Great browser, great addons, very good rendering. However, once the page is rendered, it handles like crap. Sorry, I'll pass.

 

[clevin]

Another place firefox fails at web standards

remind me again what is web standard as you see it? and what do you call DOM, HTML4, HTML5, CSS1, CSS2, CSS3, SVG, XML, JS?

I tried it. MultiClutch isn't quite ready for prime-time. But I also hate adding these OS "extras" to my computer to support what Safari does natively.

well, sometimes extra are necessary, such as 1password thing, or saft thing, or safaristand thing.

if you don't install any extra... chances are that you are better off with opera.

 

[sanPietro98]

I'll probably get flamed for this, but here goes...

Safari also has the MobileMe bookmark sync. This is fantastic since I have a Mac at home and at work, as well as the iPhone.

 

[clevin]

I'll probably get flamed for this, but here goes...

Safari also has the MobileMe bookmark sync. This is fantastic since I have a Mac at home and at work, as well as the iPhone.

that part can be done in firefox, but the iPhone part. Now thats the nice thing about platform monopoly. No competition allowed.

 

[muldul]

On my PCs i use firefox and IE, but i have found that since moving to mac, i prefer safari to all other web browsers, it is fast and looks nice.

 

[clevin]

Edit: Oh and another thing. Firefox's autocomplete isn't really like Safari's. Eg:
This is Safari's autocomplete as we know it

of course not, because the whole urlbar behavior is different, in firefox, there are a lot of search involved, such that the top result in many situations isn't exact typing match, in which case, auto complete will not happen.

however, I would suggest people do some practical tests, and see which browsers need more typing to reach users' target.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

that part can be done in firefox, but the iPhone part. Now thats the nice thing about platform monopoly. No competition allowed.

Not true, with the SDK you can build another web browser. However Mozilla has stated they have no interest in making a web browser for the iPhone.

 

[Aronnax]

Not true, with the SDK you can build another web browser. However Mozilla has stated they have no interest in making a web browser for the iPhone.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/16-08/ff_lilly
Wired: Are you going to develop a version of Firefox for the iPhone?

Lilly: No. Apple makes it too hard. They say it's because of technical issues — they don't want outsiders to disrupt the user experience. That's a business argument masquerading as a technological argument. We're focusing on more important stuff. The iPhone has been influential, but there's not that many of them. We're part of the LiMo Foundation — Linux on Mobile. The Razr V2 is a LiMo phone, and you'll see more in the next year or so.
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Lilly = Mozilla CEO

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/16-08/ff_lilly
Wired: Are you going to develop a version of Firefox for the iPhone?

Lilly: No. Apple makes it too hard. They say it's because of technical issues — they don't want outsiders to disrupt the user experience. That's a business argument masquerading as a technological argument. We're focusing on more important stuff. The iPhone has been influential, but there's not that many of them. We're part of the LiMo Foundation — Linux on Mobile. The Razr V2 is a LiMo phone, and you'll see more in the next year or so.
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Lilly = Mozilla CEO

Well I guess it would be hard to build an web browser app that has to be fully self contained, but not impossible.

PS: I do like firefox, I just like Safari more. However I use firefox a lot, is there an extension allows for resizable text boxes like in Safari.

(sorry if my wording is funny, I can't really tell, I'm on a lot of drugs as I just got my tonsils out)

 

[Aronnax]

Well I guess it would be hard to build an web browser app that has to be fully self contained, but not impossible.

No - for example:
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/...o-firefox-on-iphone-apple-too-to-restrictive/

John Lilly CEO of Mozilla said “Apple has not written a license which allows Firefox to run on the iPhone.”

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from the iPhone SDK - and this is the problem:

An Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise."
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Firefox would need a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise ...

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

No - for example:
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2008/...o-firefox-on-iphone-apple-too-to-restrictive/

John Lilly CEO of Mozilla said “Apple has not written a license which allows Firefox to run on the iPhone.”

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from the iPhone SDK - and this is the problem:

An Application may not itself install or launch other executable code by any means, including without limitation through the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise."
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Firefox would need the use of a plug-in architecture, calling other frameworks, other APIs or otherwise ...

Firefox would need it for extensions, but there are already other web browsers for the iPhone.

 

[snakedoctor]

No offence clevin but that didn't make any sense at all.

What do you mean?

Its not rocket science brother.

In IE, FF, Opera you can sort using a few methods, clicking on the column header, using a menu button that says "Sort...." and gives you many options. Just like you can sort in Mail app, by subject, date, sender, email account....etc.

Safari cant do this, you must manually drag them around.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Its not rocket science brother.

In IE, FF, Opera you can sort using a few methods, clicking on the column header, using a menu button that says "Sort...." and gives you many options. Just like you can sort in Mail app, by subject, date, sender, email account....etc.

Safari cant do this, you must manually drag them around.

been answered, bud. Try reading the thread.

 

[MacDawg]

Wow, you guys are still going at it aren't you

Pace yourselves, you will need it for the next Safari v. Firefox thread

Can't we all get along?
Different strokes for different folks!

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[Aronnax]

Firefox would need it for extensions, but there are already other web browsers for the iPhone.

No ... Firefox needs Gecko.
Gecko is such a framework and a framework is against the license.

The other browser are surely based on the Webkit framework, which is already on the iPhone.

 

[Aronnax]

However I use firefox a lot, is there an extension allows for resizable text boxes like in Safari.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3818

 

[majordude]

With the release of Firefox version 3 I've realized that Safari is well, pretty *****y.

Amen brother!

 

[ajvizzgamer101]

I would be using safari now if I could allow new windows. So pretty much I got FF 3 and gave it the same look as Safari.

 

[andiwm2003]

wow, could have been an interesting thread. but the OP's moronic title and stupid post made it into a flamewar right away. anyway, found a lot of interesting tips in here nonetheless. personally i like safari more because i use anyway just minimal features, not even tabs.