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The End Of TenFourFox
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It took me like a year to notice this reply, but to be clear—text chats work, but video calls do not.
Has anyone tested this InterWeb
Sorta? I ran out of time before the bell rang to finish the test.
WOW, has it really been two years since "The End"?
I mean, it was rare if I had to go on a PowerPC nowadays for internet stuffs, but it was always nice to have TFF (and all the derivatives we have here) as an option.
*finishes waxing nostalgic*
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
I mean, it was rare if I had to go on a PowerPC nowadays for internet stuffs, but it was always nice to have TFF (and all the derivatives we have here) as an option.
*finishes waxing nostalgic*
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
a lot of the modern web still works on tenfourfox, here's a list: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/websites-compatible-with-tenfourfox-interwebppc.2391449/
The new web apps feature on MacOS Sonoma reminded me of the Fox Boxes. The Fox Boxes were a great feature.
Around 2001 for me because I made my own web portal in Word. It was like the world was in my fingertips then.
well you should know what works in tenfourfox and what doesn't, also the list was inspired by this post on System7Today: https://system7today.com/forums/index.php?topic=3118.0
No need to get offended, it was just a wry observation, relating to the books we used to sell in the computer store listing all the websites and how to use NSCA Mosaic...
I still think tenfourfox is plenty useable. It renders all websites for me ok and Cameron’s still updating security certificates and major patches back ported from newer…basically the same thing he was doing before with the only difference being now there is no timeline. I mean he’s updated it two or three times a year….the crazy thing is I’ve been using iceweaselppc on tiger and that was compiled in 2019 and it still renders everything that tenfourfox does. PowerPC is not dead yet I suspect we have a few more years…next tls is inevitably the end. And like someone said a cheap raspberrypi running Linux could be used with browsservice to continue supporting PowerPC inevitably…hell on OS 9 I’m using that and IE 5 and it renders all pages with no issues.
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This doesn't match my experience after I got out the iBook G4 again recently. A lot of sites are completely broken due to using newer JavaScript and CSS standards. I open the console on these broken sites and see syntax errors, and these are some major sites like Canvas and GitHub. Even the TenFourFox source project page doesn't render correctly in TenFourFox. It's a shame.
wondered what it would take to have a browser like camino that would be so easy on resources and still fast, plus work with say 98% of modern websites.
in the end it is only a browser; seems bit strange that a browser alone alone would be able to nearly stall a supercomputer from the era 2003/2004 as happens with tenfourfox 17+.
really like the fact that the tenfourfox+ is able to display modern websites, but the toll it takes on the system was always a bit heavy in my feeling; but it seems the webkit development for one reason or another has not been able to progress on the powerpc.
in the end it is only a browser; seems bit strange that a browser alone alone would be able to nearly stall a supercomputer from the era 2003/2004 as happens with tenfourfox 17+.
really like the fact that the tenfourfox+ is able to display modern websites, but the toll it takes on the system was always a bit heavy in my feeling; but it seems the webkit development for one reason or another has not been able to progress on the powerpc.
It's impossible at this stage as websites have by design been crammed full of junk - it's not just PowerPC browsers that struggle - my daily drive, an i5 Mac mini regularly grinds to a halt on simple websites because of scripts and adverts.
The only option is to develop an ecosystem that strips back the code and makes websites behave how they did in the unfancy of the internet.
also , i like the way old browser used to show websites quite a bit more; it was more "text" and less "innovation" , to my eyes it seemed way more readable; the essential stuff, i mean. nowadays , ok, we have lots of image, but hard to digest, someitime.
also , RSS was integrated, today only seamonkey seem to have it any longer,
just try to open a News site with Firefox 3.5 ((if it opens) and you might note the difference.
yes, to strip "back", that could be the way "forward", but who is gonna do it?
it would need like a "readermode" AI, that would strip all the unnecessary for us, but then, it might make a different beast out of it.
i never designed a website, but have been using internet since netscape navigator sometime in earliy/mid 90ies, and things got fancy, but not necessarily better.
OR: an entirely new internet altogether, were all actors really need to abide to an ethical code (also via coding).
also , RSS was integrated, today only seamonkey seem to have it any longer,
just try to open a News site with Firefox 3.5 ((if it opens) and you might note the difference.
yes, to strip "back", that could be the way "forward", but who is gonna do it?
it would need like a "readermode" AI, that would strip all the unnecessary for us, but then, it might make a different beast out of it.
i never designed a website, but have been using internet since netscape navigator sometime in earliy/mid 90ies, and things got fancy, but not necessarily better.
OR: an entirely new internet altogether, were all actors really need to abide to an ethical code (also via coding).
It won't happen to current frameworks - ad blockers are already scorned on by big publishers frightened of losing revenue and often pages won't load unless you disable them.
The solution is for people to create networks themselves - alternatives to existing sites - that can happen at the hobbyist level (and does) but it's doubtful if serious developers would ever get involved.
People want shiny bright new things that are a requirement to surf bloated sites - that cycle will unlikely be broken
I’m just glad Cameron is still updating and keeping tenfourfox maintained…do we have to build it going forward? Yeah it’s a pain, but I’ve only had a few websites give me minor issues. It does what I need it to do…I am however exploring the best Linux distro to run for those sites that don’t work…if I can have a Linux distro with an up to date email client and a web browser thats all I would need…everything else including 90% of browsing and productivity as of today done on leopard. I’ve actually switched my five email accounts now to one email so that everything forwards to one email account and it has made my life so much easier if I have to do a reset or I get a new device it’s one email account instead of trying to remember the password for five other accounts.. there will come a time when it just won’t be possible but right now we are still cruising along with the sunset in the background….if you think PowerPC lasted this long just imagine the intel scene 10 years from now 😂