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The only disagreement I have is the use of "fringe legacy" and "legacy equipment". Most serious photographers I know shoot raw and it will not go away. And I question the 99.9% - reputable reference to substantiate that?

When you consider the number of people who take pictures (on all platforms including point-n-shoot) compared to professional photographers (especially those who shoot RAW) the percentage is probably fairly accurate (let's say 97% just to be accommodating).

If you narrow the focus to just "serious" or "professional" photographers, the percentage is much higher.

I would agree, though, RAW isn't going away, but it's also not mainstream for non-pro photographers.
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I agree there are some who have. However I come back to a very basic statement: For almost all people, if an iPad can replace your laptop/desktop, you very likely didn't need a pc to start with.

Between work, student mentoring, personal, family, friends, peers, and consulting, many have tried to go the "tablet" route. Successes were few. Even those who almost could still found they needed a pc for some things.

I think we can agree that the vast majority of iPad users are NOT black and white but some shade of grey. I don't agree with your basic statement (I think it's too simplistic), but I will say they may not be using the full capacity of a PC (but few, if any, are).
 
Most serious photographers I know shoot raw and it will not go away. And I question the 99.9% - reputable reference to substantiate that?

We can quibble over the %, but I think we can agree that people who shoot RAW are in the minority compared to people who don't even know what picture format they are using, and are just happy to use the default format on whatever device they have.
 
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I agree there are some who have. However I come back to a very basic statement: For almost all people, if an iPad can replace your laptop/desktop, you very likely didn't need a pc to start with.

Between work, student mentoring, personal, family, friends, peers, and consulting, many have tried to go the "tablet" route. Successes were few. Even those who almost could still found they needed a pc for some things.
The iPad has only been around for 6 years. Until recently, if your computing needs were light, you didn't have a choice and had to purchase a PC. Now you not only can choose a tablet computer that is powerful enough to scale if your requirements increase, but also thin clients like a Chromebook.
 
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The only disagreement I have is the use of "fringe legacy" and "legacy equipment". Most serious photographers I know shoot raw and it will not go away. And I question the 99.9% - reputable reference to substantiate that?

Most serious photographers would take a laptop to deal with their raw files. Right tool for the job. Sounds like you went on a cool trip. Sorry that the file handling was less than optimal. But those of us who shoot raw are in the minority. I have an iPP 12.9" and would still choose to do certain tasks on my laptop. But that does not mean for most, they could not get by with just an iPad. I know my computing needs are not what the majority of people need.
 
When you consider the number of people who take pictures (on all platforms including point-n-shoot) compared to professional photographers (especially those who shoot RAW) the percentage is probably fairly accurate (let's say 97% just to be accommodating).

If you narrow the focus to just "serious" or "professional" photographers, the percentage is much higher.

I would agree, though, RAW isn't going away, but it's also not mainstream for non-pro photographers.

I still disagree as I was talking about serious, non-professional photographers shooting raw
Most serious photographers would take a laptop to deal with their raw files. Right tool for the job. Sounds like you went on a cool trip. Sorry that the file handling was less than optimal. But those of us who shoot raw are in the minority. I have an iPP 12.9" and would still choose to do certain tasks on my laptop. But that does not mean for most, they could not get by with just an iPad. I know my computing needs are not what the majority of people need.

Yeah, thought I'd give the iPad-as-a-laptop replacement a try as space on our small boat was very limited. The only real drawback was extreme inefficiency in being able to look at each day's results so it was more of an irritation than anything else as I was able to achieve the primary goal of backing up each day's shooting to a HDD every evening. As for actual raw processing, I don't use a laptop except for onsie-twosies as I use a machine with a color-calibrated monitor. The iPad actually could have worked as a backup/review device itself instead of a HDD if it had a couple of hundred of GB of on-board storage space available - I would have created the daily store folders within FileBrowser.
 
Most serious photographers would take a laptop to deal with their raw files. Right tool for the job. Sounds like you went on a cool trip. Sorry that the file handling was less than optimal. But those of us who shoot raw are in the minority. I have an iPP 12.9" and would still choose to do certain tasks on my laptop. But that does not mean for most, they could not get by with just an iPad. I know my computing needs are not what the majority of people need.

You are right the iPad Pro 12.9" just isn't for everyone. There are always exceptions. By that same token, those same photographers can't get along with a bottom of the line i3 Windows PC either. They need more horsepower for those RAW files. But that isn't the typical user. Most photographers that I know use their JPGs when in the field then work on the RAW files at their home MacPro or iMac with tons of bells and whistles.

I know that when I'm at Walt Disney world shooting photos with my Sony a57 or my DD13 is shooting with her Sony a58, we aren't going to work on the photos while we are in line for Dumbo. The same goes for when we shoot with our GoPros or our Lytros. In the field we care about one thing, getting the shots. We'll sort them all out after the vacation.
 
I'd say iOS is more app-centric, whereas Mac OSX is more file-centric.

You hit the nail on the head there. They represent two very different paradigms. One potentially locks you into a particular ecosystem, the other give you more freedom to move and work the way you want.

Interestingly though (and thankfully) there's overlap on both platforms to suit your needs and preferences. Compare for example the many great Dropbox-aware document editors on iOS with Ulysses. The former gives you more traditional access to files/documents where as the latter abstracts that away almost entirely on both iOS and OS X.
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Let's let go of these out dated metaphors.

Can we please add creation myths, religion and stories about ancient carpenters rising from the dead to the pile of outdated metaphors we all don't need anymore.
 
Please take your trolling elsewhere.

I've been a member of this site since 2008. First time I've ever been accused of trolling.

My point was that metaphors are important to people.

Very important, they help us to understand the world. Just because someone decides that a metaphor is outdated to them (i.e. the desktop metaphor for computing) doesn't mean it should be removed for everyone.

Given your prickly response to my satirical reference to Christianity, I can imagine now you know what someone feels like when they are told to move on from a metaphor that's governed the way they've interacted with technology for 40 years or more.
 
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I've been a member of this site since 2008. First time I've ever been accused of trolling.

My point was that metaphors are important to people.

Very important, they help us to understand the world. Just because someone decides that a metaphor is outdated to them (i.e. the desktop metaphor for computing) doesn't mean it should be removed for everyone.

I don't know how anyone was supposed to get your point from what you said.

Anyway, that's why things like OS X and Windows exist - for those who want it.
 
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Given your prickly response to my satirical reference to Christianity, I can imagine now you know what someone feels like when they are told to move on from a metaphor that's governed the way they've interacted with technology for 40 years or more.

I believe the problem, both with file systems and religions, is that people don't realize they are dealing with metaphors. If you know that they are metaphors, it's easy to let go and switch from one metaphor to another.
 
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...completely lost due to attacking religious beliefs in a thread about file systems.

Apparently so. Subtly is clearly lost on people when you say something confronting to them. I should have phrased it better and should have expected the accusation given the majority of the readership of this site is US-based.

I wasn't attacking religious beliefs, merely drawing an analogy. Religions are metaphors (for understanding the universe). File systems are metaphors (for understanding bits stored on a machine). I didn't think it was that big of a logical leap.

Anyway, that's why things like OS X and Windows exist - for those who want it.

Very true. Given the amount of Windows boxes out there in the world, I would suggest that most people do in fact want it.

I believe the problem, both with file systems and religions, is that people don't realize they are dealing with metaphors. If you know that they are metaphors, it's easy to let go and switch from one metaphor to another.

See, you get my point thanks :)

I'm a post-modern guy. The human condition is all about the metaphors we use to internalise the world in ways that our monkey brains can process.
 
I'm not asking for a traditional file-system, I simply want a document management system in which every app has access to. A place where all files are stored in a single location. This notion that iOS just works is simply not correct, it doesn't. Managing files and sharing files between apps in iOS is a complete nightmare. I don't even care if this solution is an all cloud one, I'm all for it but every app still needs to be able to simply open and save files directly to a single central location. Ever try to find a file that you didn't recal which app created it, it's ridiculous. On my Pixel C all I have to do is say, "Pixel (custom name), find me every doc created yesterday" or a specific date. As Google Now's speech commands can be easily edited, I have speech commands for everything. "Pixel, find all files created on March 15th 2016 and email to <email address>", yep, even that works. Though I can always just go to my file-manager and do a global search as well as open up any file with any app that supports said file. Android's file management is simply 10x Better than iOS in every single way possible. I donit even remember the last time I used it's share function, you donit have to, just click open, done. Though again, I'm not asking for root access, just a view in which shows me all of my documents in one location and every app has access to this view, that's it. Until that happens, I just donit see me using my iPad Prop for anything but music creation, which by the way, file management sucks for that to, I mean it's bad.
 
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I'm not asking for a traditional file-system, I simply want a document management system in which every app has access to. A place where all files are stored in a single location. This notion that iOS just works is simply not correct, it doesn't. Managing files and sharing files between apps in iOS is a complete nightmare. I don't even care if this solution is an all cloud one, I'm all for it but every app still needs to be able to simply open and save files directly to a single central location. Ever try to find a file that you didn't recal which app created it, it's ridiculous. On my Pixel C all I have to do is say, "Pixel (custom name), find me every doc created yesterday" or a specific date. As Google Now's speech commands can be easily edited, I have speech commands for everything. "Pixel, find all files created on March 15th 2016 and email to <email address>", yep, even that works. Though I can always just go to my file-manager and do a global search as well as open up any file with any app that supports said file. Android's file management is simply 10x Better than iOS in every single way possible. I donit even remember the last time I used it's share function, you donit have to, just click open, done. Though again, I'm not asking for root access, just a view in which shows me all of my documents in one location and every app has access to this view, that's it. Until that happens, I just donit see me using my iPad Prop for anything but music creation, which by the way, file management sucks for that to, I mean it's bad.
To be honest, I think Apple miscalculated and thought every app would at least have iCloud as an option for cloud storage. As of now, the cloud storage most available seems to be Dropbox, but iOS at this time doesn't allow you to set an alternative default cloud storage service.
 
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To be honest, I think Apple miscalculated and thought every app would at least have iCloud as an option for cloud storage. As of now, the cloud storage most available seems to be Dropbox, but iOS at this time doesn't allow you to set an alternative default cloud storage service.

Yes, and also the implementation of the iOS share sheet by apps could have a faster pace.
 
There's also FileBrowser, which has been around since shortly after the iPad was first released. I've never felt like iPad was missing a file system -- sure, there is no native file management app, but third party file managers have always been available, and they keep improving with every iOS generation.
 
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There's also FileBrowser, which has been around since shortly after the iPad was first released. I've never felt like iPad was missing a file system -- sure, there is no native file management app, but third party file managers have always been available, and they keep improving with every iOS generation.

Maybe someday we will see one that works with all apps .... as a defined default setting.
 
Anyone really think the future of a "pro" device will not include usb connectivity, a finder equivalant, and mouse functionality? Either "pro" tag will be meaningless or apple will upgrade the ipp's. My guess the whole "pro" thing will be fluffed over, but competition may push developments toward a more hybrid device
 
Maybe someday we will see one that works with all apps .... as a defined default setting.

Not going to happen. Because it wasn't originally built in, apps now have to be modified to work with file management systems. So iCloud could serve as a "default" file management system, but Apple can't make it happen unilaterally. They need to convince the devs to update their apps to work with iCloud. Also, users too, have gotten used to working with different cloud services, so that some users use Dropbox, others use One Drive, Google Drive, etc. Al those users are going to be very unhappy if all of a sudden iCloud becomes the default. You know how people are always complaining about how they can't change the default web browser, email app, maps, etc? Well, with file management apps/services, there is no default, so users have freedom of choice.
 
Anyone really think the future of a "pro" device will not include usb connectivity, a finder equivalant, and mouse functionality?

You're getting hung up on a marketing label. The iPad represents a different way of interacting with and utilizing a computer. "usb connectivity, a finder equivalant, and mouse functionality" do not.
 
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You're getting hung up on a marketing label. The iPad represents a different way of interacting with and utilizing a computer. "usb connectivity, a finder equivalant, and mouse functionality" do not.

And in its current form the iPad is quite limited in providing a different way to be a productive tool for many. If the iPad's way of doing things was ideal for productivity, the iPad would have a much larger installed base. The iPad has not really taken off to the extent that you would expect it to if it was an amazing tool for productivity, given that iPads should be cheaper than a desktop PC (if you're buying one that is any good that is).

It is truly not that hard for Apple to continue to adjust the iPad such that it meets the needs of many who would like to transition to a tablet for productivity purposes.
 
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It is truly not that hard for Apple to continue to adjust the iPad such that it meets the needs of many who would like to transition to a tablet for productivity purposes.

Adding a mouse, usb ports, and the UI paradigm of a desktop OS, is not "transitioning to a tablet". It's epically failing to understand why the iPad exists, how best to use it, who can take advantage of one now, and the direction it needs to head in the future.
 
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