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The Galaxy S5

Max(IT) said:
Reported by who ? Samsung ? I don't believe a single word about their sells .... They were caught lying about number of units sold (were units shipped) ...

It's safer to wait for a third party survey.
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Shipped to retail channels equals sold...... All retailers count it that way.
Third party surveys get their information from the reported sales from the vendors.....they have no other source of information....
 
jamezr said:
LOL...does that make you feel better? Pretty childish now.....
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I don't know if you have something personal about he, but if EVERY unbiased review described s5 like "meh" there should be something true about it ...

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jamezr said:
Shipped to retail channels equals sold...... All retailers count it that way.
Third party surveys get their information from the reported sales from the vendors.....they have no other source of information....
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Not at all.
Shipped units are just shipped .... Carriers are much more reliable, since they count activations (phones really used).

http://www.loopinsight.com/2014/04/11/samsung-caught-lying-about-tablet-sales/
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2014/04/11/apple-samsung-tablet-misled/
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...eal-galaxy-tab-was-a-flop-and-samsung-knew-it

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Sensamic said:
I don't care if it's plastic or metal, but let it be a good kind of plastic at least.

The Nexus 5 and Moto G are both made of plastic, but they are superior to the S5 build quality.
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I hope you were speaking about Moto X, because Moto G is still a cheap plastic phone ... Nexus 5 and Moto X (like most of the Lumia) are in another league.
 
24 hrs in and I can say the S5 is far more refined and polished than the S4, which was pretty weak in terms of software performance and user experience
 
Max(IT) Not at all. Shipped units are just shipped .... Carriers are much more reliable said:
All companies count shipped as sold......if they are not sold then what happens to them? If they are returned to the vendor then they get deducted from the next cycle of sales reports. That could be quarterly or whatever but if it gets shipped to a retail channel then it is a sale. It it gets returned to the vendor then it gets deducted from sales figures......
You are confusing retail sales with sales figures. Retails sales is different. Sales to retail channels is different.......
Apple does it this way....shipped is sold!!

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/3097107865x0x701402/a406ad58-6bde-4190-96a1-4cc2d0d67986/AAPL_FY13_10K_10.30.13.pdf
The Company (Apple) recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred. For most of the Company’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, the Company defers revenue until the customer receives the product because the Company retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit.

It seems like a small thing, but it is important to keep in mind when evaluating the mobile market, especially as it matures and multiple sales channels are employed. In order to present the clearest possible picture of how demand for Apple’s products stands in relation to its competitors, we will be referring to Apple’s announced numbers as “shipped” from now on.
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jrswizzle said:
Geekbench 3 results?

Just curious.
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Found this one....

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jamezr said:
All companies count shipped as sold......if they are not sold then what happens to them? If they are returned to the vendor then they get deducted from the next cycle of sales reports. That could be quarterly or whatever but if it gets shipped to a retail channel then it is a sale. It it gets returned to the vendor then it gets deducted from sales figures......
You are confusing retail sales with sales figures. Retails sales is different. Sales to retail channels is different.......
Apple does it this way....shipped is sold!!

http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...-96a1-4cc2d0d67986/AAPL_FY13_10K_10.30.13.pdf
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Isn't that article referring to shipped directly to the consumer and not a carrier or vendor? It even states even if the item is lost in transit, it's still a sale because the consumer has already paid for it once shipping begins.
 
sumsingwong said:
Isn't that article referring to shipped directly to the consumer and not a carrier or vendor? It even states even if the item is lost in transit, it's still a sale because the consumer has already paid for it once shipping begins.
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It does not make the distinction......shipped to end user or retail channel is consider sold.
 
Is it possible that the Note 4 could come with 4GB RAM?

I think there was a report a few months back that Samsung already had the modules ready.

That would make the S5 feel more outdated.
 
Sensamic said:
Is it possible that the Note 4 could come with 4GB RAM?

I think there was a report a few months back that Samsung already had the modules ready.

That would make the S5 feel more outdated.
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Hmm I don't really think 4gb of ram is needed but hell of they can do it while keeping the same price point fine by me.
 
I'm curious to find out how S5's were sold on first weekend. Samsung will only say they sold more S5's than the S4's first weekend. One would think Samsung would brag about their sales report. However, they did state they have sold over 200 million Galaxy S line phones worldwide since the first S line was launched. I was surprised that figure was that low since Apple has sold over 500 million iPhones worldwide.
 
jamezr said:
All companies count shipped as sold......if they are not sold then what happens to them? If they are returned to the vendor then they get deducted from the next cycle of sales reports. That could be quarterly or whatever but if it gets shipped to a retail channel then it is a sale. It it gets returned to the vendor then it gets deducted from sales figures......
You are confusing retail sales with sales figures. Retails sales is different. Sales to retail channels is different.......
Apple does it this way....shipped is sold!!

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/AAPL/3097107865x0x701402/a406ad58-6bde-4190-96a1-4cc2d0d67986/AAPL_FY13_10K_10.30.13.pdf
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Apple has a strict control over its sales, with its own store's chain ...
I linked several articles showing how Samsung lied over sales and was found guilty .... If you want to ignore that just because you own a galaxy S5 feel free.
 
Max(IT) said:
Apple has a strict control over its sales, with its own store's chain ...
I linked several articles showing how Samsung lied over sales and was found guilty .... If you want to ignore that just because you own a galaxy S5 feel free.
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Apple still reports shipped product as sales....they even state that fact in their reporting documents.....its your decision to ignore that fact....... I linked Apple's own document...... You just want to throw in Samsung for your own bias....
 
NT1440 said:
That's an absurdly open ended policy, one which I would imagine is prone to misuse.
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I have to learn the hard way. Though it does seem like things have improved since last year's effort. I'll have more detailed feedback in a day or two.

I still have my iPhone 5S just in case.
 
sumsingwong said:
I'm curious to find out how S5's were sold on first weekend. Samsung will only say they sold more S5's than the S4's first weekend. One would think Samsung would brag about their sales report. However, they did state they have sold over 200 million Galaxy S line phones worldwide since the first S line was launched. I was surprised that figure was that low since Apple has sold over 500 million iPhones worldwide.
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The iPhone is the single best selling phone in the world! That is the only phone Apple sells......I wonder what the numbers would be for all of the phones Samsung sells? Here is a graphic from IDC.....

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jamezr said:
Apple still reports shipped product as sales....they even state that fact in their reporting documents.....its your decision to ignore that fact....... I linked Apple's own document...... You just want to throw in Samsung for your own bias....
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Samsung LIED ON PURPOSE and it was proved by a Court.
Apple didn't ...

The bias isn't mine ....

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jamezr said:
The iPhone is the single best selling phone in the world! That is the only phone Apple sells......I wonder what the numbers would be for all of the phones Samsung sells? Here is a graphic from IDC.....

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That chart says nothing to a tech enthusiast forum since in those numbers there are a majority of crap cheap smartphone produced by Samsung and sold for ridiculously low prices in every market.

We are speaking about flagship like galaxy s-line or iPhone .... not the galaxy ace :rolleyes:
 
Max(IT) said:
Samsung LIED ON PURPOSE and it was proved by a Court.
Apple didn't ...

The bias isn't mine ....
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LOL.......so what on earth does that have to do with shipped versus sold? See what I mean about your bias?
This is what you said:
Not at all.
Shipped units are just shipped .... Carriers are much more reliable, since they count activations (phones really used).
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Then you went on to show your anti Samsung bias. The discussion was shipped versus sales.....don't know why you want to bring in anything else......
See here comes the anti Samsung bias again.......the iphone sales also include the 4 and 4s and 5 and 5s and 5c
That chart says nothing to a tech enthusiast forum since in those numbers there are a majority of crap cheap smartphone produced by Samsung and sold for ridiculously low prices in every market.

We are speaking about flagship like galaxy s-line or iPhone .... not the galaxy ace
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So go troll somewhere else....
 
jamezr said:
LOL.......so what on earth does that have to do with shipped versus sold? See what I mean about your bias?
This is what you said:


Then you went on to show your anti Samsung bias. The discussion was shipped versus sales.....don't know why you want to bring in anything else......
See here comes the anti Samsung bias again.......the iphone sales also include the 4 and 4s and 5 and 5s and 5c

So go troll somewhere else....
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Nope.
The discussion was about CREDIBILITY of Samsung when they speak about sales: it equals to ZERO since they were found lying to customers and investors just a few months ago.

I'm going nowhere, but I don't like people defending a brand just because they own one product, like you seem to do.
Another guy linked a couple of review not exactly enthusiastic about s5 and you called him childish ....
I'm not defending Samsung, HTC, lg or apple in this thread. I'm just speaking about s5, and like many others I just see a "not so wonderful" device for some reasons (while hardware wise it is very very good).
 
Max(IT) said:
Nope.
The discussion was about CREDIBILITY of Samsung when they speak about sales: it equals to ZERO since they were found lying to customers and investors just a few months ago.

I'm going nowhere, but I don't like people defending a brand just because they own one product, like you seem to do.
Another guy linked a couple of review not exactly enthusiastic about s5 and you called him childish ....
I'm not defending Samsung, HTC, lg or apple in this thread. I'm just speaking about s5, and like many others I just see a "not so wonderful" device for some reasons (while hardware wise it is very very good).
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Did you bother to take the time so see why I called him childish? Did you? He hates Samsung just like you seem to hate Samsung so he has no desire to own a Galaxy S5. But every chance he gets he likes to post something negative about the S5 in a thread where people just want to discuss the S5......not listen to your anti Samsung bias. If you are posting here....even though you hate Samsung.....why? You just want to stir things up and get a reaction....that is trolling and you are a troll.....
So if you hate Samsung so much why post in a Samsung thread? Trolling plain and simple.....
 
nobody cares about sales and both Samsung and Apple are liars, and please enjoy the samsung components in your apple products. We all know everyone wants an iPad/Mac with a samsung panel.
 
Sensamic said:
Is it possible that the Note 4 could come with 4GB RAM?

I think there was a report a few months back that Samsung already had the modules ready.

That would make the S5 feel more outdated.
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Given the S5 has only two, I can't see the Note 4 having anything beyond 3.
 
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